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rachacha

(173 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:36 AM Apr 2016

Hillary won't ban fracking. Do New York democrats care?

It's well-known that Hillary Clinton actively promoted fracking around the world during her time as Secretary of State.

In her remarks to the ECPA in 2010, she said:

Sixth, the United States will promote the use of shale gas. Now, I know that in some places is controversial. But natural gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power generation today, and a number of countries in the Americas may have shale gas resources. If developed, shale gas could make an important contribution to our region’s energy supply, just as it does now for the United States.


Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, has been calling for states to ban fracking for years. In 2014, he said:



And he continues to push to ban fracking in his campaign stops in New York, which has recently banned fracking.

In January this year, asked whether she would push for a nationwide fracking ban, this was Hillary's response.



Will Hillary Clinton evolve on this in New York, where the issue is hot, or will she take her lumps here and hold fast in her refusal to support an outright ban?
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Hillary won't ban fracking. Do New York democrats care? (Original Post) rachacha Apr 2016 OP
They should JackRiddler Apr 2016 #1
especially with global warming reddread Apr 2016 #8
Are you not okay with using black walnut shells for fracking? nt DURHAM D Apr 2016 #2
Fracking is already banned in NY HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #3
Water doesn't care. JackRiddler Apr 2016 #9
I don't think of my post as adding to defeatism... HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #12
Considering the family primarily responsible for Buffalo's revitalization Godhumor Apr 2016 #4
The opposite, because of those profiting from fraking (and our own Governor's initial disagreement) Dragonfli Apr 2016 #11
K&R! felix_numinous Apr 2016 #5
New Yorkers have good water, I hope they care. I used to live there. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #6
Good. I support fracking (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #7
Seriously? Vinca Apr 2016 #10
Somebody has to, right? JackRiddler Apr 2016 #14
She will probably take the same position as she did on the NY minimum wage increase BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #13
it's already banned here nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
3. Fracking is already banned in NY
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

So as purely a New York State issue, we've succeeded.

I think it's a more winnable battle to eliminate fracking state by state rather than on a federal level which just won't clear the house any time soon.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
9. Water doesn't care.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:57 AM
Apr 2016

What is with the defeatism about the election, I'd like to know. Clinton supporters say they expect a landslide for her in November and yet never, ever want to suggest that there might be any chance of an associated change in the Congress (or in the political situation generally).

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
12. I don't think of my post as adding to defeatism...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

I think of it more as a strategy to obtain a desired goal. Republicans are good at putting up road blocks. I think on fracking we can out maneuver them on a state by state basis. Same goal just a more realistic means for getting there considering the road blocks.

If we got control of the house, then I'd push for a national ban along with a plan for the jobs that would be lost and the energy costs that would go up as a result. But it has to end.

I'm all for banning fracking....it's just how to we get there....sometimes it's a chess match to beat republicans...IMO

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
4. Considering the family primarily responsible for Buffalo's revitalization
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

Made a good chunk of their fortune off fracking, no WNY Democrats are generally not outraged over fracking in other states.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
11. The opposite, because of those profiting from fraking (and our own Governor's initial disagreement)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

WNY's and others in the state's outrage and persistence, resistance, and continued pressure was largely responsible for the ban, we had to fight the State establishment hard and relentlessly to earn our right to refuse the practice here. It was a bottom up change all the way and took all the rage and truth we could muster, but we won!

It may interest you than a great many of our anti Frak activists have gone cross country to help organize similar movements. You really do not understand the region I live in our the history of our anti-frakking activism here, do you?

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
13. She will probably take the same position as she did on the NY minimum wage increase
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

She will say she supports the right of each state to make those decisions and NY banning fracking and enacting its own minimum wage laws is the way she thinks it should work. So she can be against fracking when she's in NY and for fracking when she's in states where the majority of voters are OK with it. It used to be just the Republicans who talked favorably about states rights.

Edit: I just looked at the second video and that is exactly the position she took there (as well as in one of the town halls during the campaign). "Local communities can say no." The problem is that the oil and gas lobby can overpower most local communities.

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