2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary won't ban fracking. Do New York democrats care?
It's well-known that Hillary Clinton actively promoted fracking around the world during her time as Secretary of State.
In her remarks to the ECPA in 2010, she said:
Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, has been calling for states to ban fracking for years. In 2014, he said:
And he continues to push to ban fracking in his campaign stops in New York, which has recently banned fracking.
In January this year, asked whether she would push for a nationwide fracking ban, this was Hillary's response.
Will Hillary Clinton evolve on this in New York, where the issue is hot, or will she take her lumps here and hold fast in her refusal to support an outright ban?
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Water doesn't stop at state borders.
reddread
(6,896 posts)big changes ahead.
these are the criminals.
that is the crime.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)So as purely a New York State issue, we've succeeded.
I think it's a more winnable battle to eliminate fracking state by state rather than on a federal level which just won't clear the house any time soon.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)What is with the defeatism about the election, I'd like to know. Clinton supporters say they expect a landslide for her in November and yet never, ever want to suggest that there might be any chance of an associated change in the Congress (or in the political situation generally).
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)I think of it more as a strategy to obtain a desired goal. Republicans are good at putting up road blocks. I think on fracking we can out maneuver them on a state by state basis. Same goal just a more realistic means for getting there considering the road blocks.
If we got control of the house, then I'd push for a national ban along with a plan for the jobs that would be lost and the energy costs that would go up as a result. But it has to end.
I'm all for banning fracking....it's just how to we get there....sometimes it's a chess match to beat republicans...IMO
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Made a good chunk of their fortune off fracking, no WNY Democrats are generally not outraged over fracking in other states.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)WNY's and others in the state's outrage and persistence, resistance, and continued pressure was largely responsible for the ban, we had to fight the State establishment hard and relentlessly to earn our right to refuse the practice here. It was a bottom up change all the way and took all the rage and truth we could muster, but we won!
It may interest you than a great many of our anti Frak activists have gone cross country to help organize similar movements. You really do not understand the region I live in our the history of our anti-frakking activism here, do you?
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)An awful lot of people have had their drinking water supplies ruined by fracking.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)I appreciate the honesty. Sort of.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)She will say she supports the right of each state to make those decisions and NY banning fracking and enacting its own minimum wage laws is the way she thinks it should work. So she can be against fracking when she's in NY and for fracking when she's in states where the majority of voters are OK with it. It used to be just the Republicans who talked favorably about states rights.
Edit: I just looked at the second video and that is exactly the position she took there (as well as in one of the town halls during the campaign). "Local communities can say no." The problem is that the oil and gas lobby can overpower most local communities.