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She is married to the first black president!
I mean this group has pretty much been dismissed throughout this primary season.
Just ask them...
On another note, those of you who do not normally read this group are missing out on some of the most insightful, straight up discussion on this site. The best and the brightest all I one place. 
Thanks for the post, Nikki.
Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #4)
Or doesn't his opinion count anymore?
seems only fair to hear all sides. 
that her campaign reviewed and approved.
I don't think there is a single person posting here at DU that is concerned about the race of the candidates.
I haven't seen one person say anything derogatory about Hillary's race.
Or about Bernie's race, for that matter.
However, comments about racism . . . well, that's a different matter entirely.
Funny though, it seems only white people are the ones expressing outrage, while the A-A community just groans over the lameness of the joke itself and sees the whiterage for what it is; political posturing.
Better luck next time... 
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
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You are mimicking that racist smear I was just talking about and I do not like it.
Aim your ire where it belongs
At those Bernie supporters who discounted the entire south because they're red states (many forgetting Pres Obama took NC in 2008) and even Bernie himself that said far too many were uninformed enough to not know what was best for them.
I would never say anything like that so your disgust is thoroughly misplaced.
At those Bernie supporters who discounted the entire south because they're red states (many forgetting Pres Obama took NC in 2008) and even Bernie himself that said far too many were uninformed enough to not know what was best for them.
I would never say anything like that so your disgust is thoroughly misplaced.
I am from the south, we voted for Clinton twice in our state, it was the last time our state ever went democrat. It did not support Obama in the primaries because those democrats that were not racist and were not flat out Hillary supporters felt that there was now way a black man could win. That is supporting a racist narrative and it saddened me greatly that several people I know from there did that. One of them thinks they voted for Obama in the general election...good for them. The statement about the south no mattering was a reference made by many of us from the south in response to the fact the south voted first in almost one big block. It resulted in an overwhelming call from the media, the DNC, and people on this board for Bernie to drop out. It was rube and disrespectful to the majority of the voters that had yet to go. People became angry and rightly pointed out that the more conservative south vote is skewed a does little to elect a candidate in the general elections. That is the meaning of the states that have voted don't vote democrat in the general election. I know I left there and will never move back because it is not a place for a mixed couple.
Here is a map of the 2008 election, this is a simple fact, you can not argue with it. If you want more in depth details you can look up the voting history of states like Arkansas that after the Dixiecrats left our party every year since the democratic party has lost more and more voters. It has only voted for two southern democrats I believe, since they first went red.
I am not sure what part of the "uninformed" you are cherry picking to make your point, but if you are talking about how every exit poll showed that in the black vote people did not know who he was, so the reason they did not vote for him was because of the media black out which left them uniformed, then you need to let that one go, that is a fact as well. His sit down with Nina, Cornell, and Mike goes in to how voters go against their own interest so you could be referring to a section of that, but for a person to make such a mistake would mean they themselves are uniformed, the irony. If you listen to that video you will see they talk about the southern white man that is racist in mindset because he to is a victim of the system and that is sometimes all they have. It is a nice discussion that looks at humanizing all sides.
So yes you just said something like that, you basically pulled an, "Obama is not muslim...at least I think he is not." And it amazes me to this day that no one is outraged that she would have done that, she basically started the birther movement right there, they wanted to make him unamerican... the DNC claims to be on the side of everyone, but the second it is convenient they know where to pull out the white robes Strom Thurmond left behind.
You said a lot here so let me unpack it...
Are you intentionally misreading me or looking for insults that aren't there?
Neither, as you are spreading the racist meme about us I am looking at an insult that is there, and finding the subtext of a message is reading it correctly.
There is no media blackout (that's so laughable) so nobody is uninformed.
Here I would ask you are you in the right message board, because while you may have somehow missed that Bernie was never given news time, that every outlet attacked him when they did mention him (even NPR ran a story about How Hillary won more delegates on Saturday and then when the next result came in on that Sunday and he ended up winning more delegates, they changed that exact story to "Hillary won the bigger state"
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Searches vs media mention, this should be used to tell networks that a certain figure may be worth mentioning to increase viewership. A positive trend in searches in theory should attract to more views that want to see more about said person. (google does run off advertisements via data mining and other means) The results said they went completely against that trend.
Here you can see that Bernie seldome made it above or equal to most.
Here you can see HIllary was mostly on par or above mentions
And finally here you can see Bernie was at best about equal to for a very short upward spike.
http://imgur.com/O1qzoZ3
So that is statistical proof of a media black-out.
Media blackout refers to the censorship of news related to a certain topic, particularly in mass media, for any reason. A media blackout may be voluntary, or may in some countries be enforced by the government or state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_blackout
Just look at your fellow DU Bernie supporters for all the insults you want. THEY are the ones discounting southern states, THEY are the ones that call anyone not voting for Bernie uninformed.
There you go again calling us racist by implication. My fellow DUers had a reaction to the narrative being said that the race was over because the South had voted and decided it was for Hillary. People like myself said that the south was not indicative of the overall national liberal vote, it seldom if ever votes for the Democratic party in the general election (btw Huckabee is a product of Arkansas). In direct response to the narrative that black voters did not like Bernie we cited the fact that exit polls showed the FACT that they did not know who he was *cough*media blackout*cough*. The result of this is that the HRC camp got the biggest brush they could and painted us all as racist for not caring what the black vote in the south wanted...and calling them uninformed. That is race-baiting, and that is disgusting, hey lets keep the narrative alive and use this act of hate that has killed and injured soooo many so we can win some votes.
Obama’s Weakness in Arkansas
In 2012, President Obama performed worse in Arkansas than Al Gore did (in 2000) by nearly a 20-point margin. Only in West Virginia did Mr. Obama underperform Mr. Gore by more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/23/upshot/arkansas-a-demographic-challenge-for-democrats.html
(it is a good article on how the DNC is toast in Arkansas, and how we failed to show up at all in mid terms.
So, in which states did (Bill) Clinton 92 get a much higher proportion of the White vote than Obama did?
Arkansas Clinton got 53% of White vote, Obama 30%
Louisiana Clinton 36, Obama 16
Wyoming Clinton 47, Obama 33
West Virginia Clinton 55, Obama 42
Oklahoma Clinton 42, Obama 29
Tennessee Clinton 45, Obama 33
Alabama Clinton 31, Obama 19
Kentucky Clinton 49, Obama 38
all of these are conservative states.
And where did Obama do much better among Whites?
Hawaii Clinton 55, Obama 72
Vermont Clinton 58, Obama 68
Delaware Clinton 46, Obama 55
Connecticut Clinton 49, Obama 58
all liberal states.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/9/30/1021432/-
You notice a trend in the south? More importantly, you notice how the state of Washington voted? Solid blue baby! We have a history to back up our ideals.
Bernie was bolstered by 6 republican voting states from 2012 Hillary has 11 so far. Hillary has also won the majority of the states passing anti-lgbt legislation
South Dakota
Georgia
Michigan
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Virginia
West Virginia
Illinois
South Carolina
Tennessee
Kentucky
Mississippi
I simply prefer Hillary and have never said one word about the intelligence of either candidate's supporters.
Not sure why you said that, but race-baiting insinuations is far worse that calling me dim, so I would be more ok with that narrative...but you would just be saying what the HRC has also said about us being young naive uneducated free loaders (45 is the new 20?).
You calling Hillary supporters the "real" bigots is winning you nothing but scorn from everyone who has watched both Clintons make inroads with African Americans the old fashioned way - they earned it.
They are the real bigots, you don't race-bait unless you don't really care about race issues. Again to see Cornell talk about why the racist white man in the south is only racist because that is all he has is far more humanizing an approach I have seen in a long time to dealing with our race problems. They talked about how they have been feed a line about the confederate pride, but the live in object poverty so until they get something more this division will stay. To see this from the Bernie side while the HRC side has just been calling us sexist racist Bernie bros is disgusting. So yes, you need to turn around and look at the people surrounding you in your party, chances are some of them are using race for their own selfish gain.
Your most telling line that you may not be aware of racism is "the old fashioned way", no one that understands our history would ever use that or the good old days. The old fashioned way taking the black vote for granted.
ST. LOUIS—The Democrats’ 40-year stronghold over the African American vote could be weakening. A recent survey conducted by Black America’s Political Action Committee showed 43 percent of African Americans surveyed say that they feel they are taken for granted by the Democrats.
http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/gibson/blackvote.htm
The old fashioned way shows you are out of touch that nothing with the old fashioned was was good. Bernie at least vocally called out in the crime-bill was going to harm our black communities...Hillary saw it too, but she uses a prescription that's side-effect makes it so she can only see things in hindsight, so it was not until much later.
. . . drop out of the race.
Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)
. . . until this weekend at another hilarity-filled fundraiser.
