Is Karl Rove helping the Hillary for President campaign?

[Octafish]

Seems Karl's chumming around with James Carville, touring the lecture circuit together.



https://www.smu.edu/TateSeries/LectureSchedule

Not that there's anything wrong with making a buck.

[revbones]

1. It's just a club and we're not in it. nt

[Octafish]

9. ''The Dogs Bark And The Caravan Rolls.'' -- Carville on the unofficial Clinton campaign motto

WILLIE GEIST: James, I know we talked to a lot of people around Hillary Clinton. Now that the Biden threat is behind them, what can you tell us about how worried they were about Biden getting in the race, what kind of threat would he have been?

JAMES CARVILLE: I think that they were, you know, obviously, politics -- if somebody doesn't run against you, the general reaction is that's a good thing.

Joe and I have a different take.

Look, you know, the kind of unofficial slogan in a Hillary campaign. The dogs bark, the caravan rolls." And that's pretty much what it is. It is an old Arab proverb.

SOURCE: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/22/james_carville_clinton_2016_motto_is_the_dogs_bark_and_the_caravan_rolls_an_old_arab_proverb.html

Movable feast, their club, administration to administration.

[NCTraveler]

2. I'm sure he is, to those who ignore reality and facts.

America Rising, a Republican political action committee, reacted with glee on social media on Tuesday to a CNN/WMUR poll that showed Mr. Sanders with a large lead over Mrs. Clinton in New Hampshire, sharing the news with “BREAKING” qualifiers and links to news stories.

Karl Rove’s American Crossroads recently created an ad parroting Senator Bernie Sanders’s critiques of Mrs. Clinton’s ties to Wall Street, made repeatedly last week in the days before Sunday’s debate.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bernie-sanders-gets-some-outside-help-he-didnt-ask-for/?_r=0

Rove is helping Sanders. I don't need to form it as a question as you have done in order to create a deceptive link to the original question you pose.

[Fumesucker]

5. Hillary's ties to Wall Street are a plus not a minus

So Rove is actually helping Hillary...

[Octafish]

15. Karl Rove Hits Hillary Clinton Over Wall Street Ties

"Hypocrisy Alert!" -- Zach Carter

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/karl-rove-hillary-clinton-wall-st_us_569bd413e4b0778f46f9a52f

[Armstead]

23. Thats's just "team sports"...The same people are in control behind the scenes

[CoffeeCat]

3. That whole big line about Rove buying anti-Hillary Clinton ads

I think was a huge lie--in my state it appeared to be.

I never saw ONE anti-HIllary Clinton ad in Iowa, where Rove had supposedly spent all of this money to attack Hillary (because she was the stronger candidate that they just HAD to destroy!).

I think all of that was bullshit.

I live in the largest media market in Iowa. My husband and I both work at home and two television are on all day. We saw television ads from every candidate, Dem and Rep, and we never, ever saw one of these alleged ads.

No one in Iowa that I know ever saw one either.

I think that was just some big lie perpetrated by all of the players. They were trying to say that Bernie was such a weak candidate and Hillary was so powerful and wonderful--that Rove was doing this to try and take down Hillary. I think that was nothing more than a soundbyte without the ad buys (in Iowa anyway).

[Agschmid]

11. It wasn't a lie, but they weren't necessarily anti Hillary... They were pro Bernie.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/20/bernie-sanders-gets-some-outside-help-he-didnt-ask-for/?_r=0

[CoffeeCat]

21. The ad featured in the New York Times article that you posted was very anti-Hillary

and it featured attacks on her Wall Street money.

I never saw a "Pro Bernie" ad in Iowa--other than Sander's campaign ads.

The television ad--featured in the New York Times article--never played in the biggest media market in Iowa--which covers the largest city in Iowa and nearly half the state.

Furthermore, if these ads had run in Iowa, I am sure this would have been "news" in Iowa.

No mention of these Karl Rove ads running in Iowa.

I don't think these ads existed in Iowa.

Who knows...maybe they ran them once, just to cover their bases. <snicker>

Any Rove ads (whether pro Hillary or anti-Bernie) were never a factor in the Iowa campaigns.

[Octafish]

19. Thank you for the heads-up, CoffeeCat.

Lots of stuff is different from what we're told -- and not told -- by the tee vee.

When they interfere with Democracy, We the People have a real problem.

[CoffeeCat]

26. The entire thing was a ploy

to further the talking point that "Hillary is the stronger candidate and Bernie is weak. The Republicans want to run against Bernie, so they're trying to hurt Hillary."

Funny thing is...these ads never became a part of the media landscape in Iowa.

Where are the ads?!?!

Here's a New York Times articles about Iowans being inundated with television ads. No mention of any Rove ads. These ads NEVER played a factor in the Iowa Caucuses. They were never discussed in our state.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/us/politics/as-iowa-caucuses-approach-political-ads-swamp-tv-channels.html

There's the suggestion that Rove was doing this, but there is not one article that talks about where these ads actually ran (ABC/CBS/NBC?) and in which day parts.

[NCTraveler]

4. Bernie Sanders’s Conservative Fanboys

American Crossroads—founded by former Bush adviser Karl Rove—and several other conservative-backed super PACs have spent the last month intentionally fueling the Bern, but their zeal has more to do with an effort to weaken Hillary Clinton, whom they still see as the likely Democratic nominee and harder to defeat in the general election.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/23/bernie-sanders-s-conservative-fanboys.html

[tex-wyo-dem]

28. Ahhh...The Daily Beast...

Lump that source into the same trash can as BNR and Media Matters.

Doesn't Chelsea sit on the board or something for TDB?

[NCTraveler]

29. Out of five sources you jump on one. Well done. lol.

My point clearly stands on much stronger ground than the deception of the op. I'm sure I will find your disapproval to the use of Judicial Watch material by this op in other threads, right? lol. Not a chance. It's the Clintons you are against. Some things are really clear.

[NCTraveler]

6. Republicans are trying to help Bernie Sanders win

But Republicans are doing much more than just sending out debate-night emails that happen to be friendly to Sanders’ cause. American Crossroads, the GOP dark money group founded by Karl Rove, is running ads in Iowa depicting Clinton as a tool of Wall Street.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/1/21/1471660/-Republicans-are-trying-to-help-Bernie-Sanders-win-and-it-s-not-because-they-like-his-message

[Octafish]

31. The idea that it's easier to beat Bernie than Hillary is bogus, though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-destroys-donald-trump-by-13-points-6-more-than-clinton-_b_8936840.html

[brooklynite]

7. Or...they're making some money talking about politics to people interested in politics

Occam's Razor.

[Octafish]

10. Rove railroaded Gov Don Siegelman.

How can Carville be friends with that guy?

[brooklynite]

16. Can you point out where Bernie Sanders has called for his release?

I don't profess to know all the details of this case, but if President Obama isn't moving to pardon him, and Senator Sanders isn't making noise about it, perhaps there's more to the case than "railroading".

[Octafish]

24. Dunno. I do know Don Siegelman Supports Bernie Sanders Prison Reform Bill

A big shout out to Senator Bernie Sanders from former Governor Don Siegelman!

Governor Siegelman expresses his appreciation to Senator Bernie Sanders for introducing a bill in the U.S. Senate, on 17 September 2015, to ban private prisons.

From Sen Sanders’s webpage:

Private Prisons

Sen. Bernie Sanders introduced a bill on Thursday that would ban private prisons within a few years, taking aim at what he called a "broken criminal justice system" and mass incarceration, Vox reported.

In addition to eliminating private prisons, the legislation would make it cheaper for families to visit and speak with inmates, Mother Jones reported. If passed, the bill would have a disproportionate affect on immigration prisons. That’s because around half of all U.S. immigration prisons are privatized, Latin Times reported.

From personal experience, Governor Siegelman sees the need for massive prison reform in the US. He has been contacting members of congress to pass the SAFE Justice Act.

Please contact Senator Sanders at http://www.sanders.senate.gov/ and thank him for introducing this bill. Contact your U.S. Senator and Representative and ask them to support Senator Sanders’ bill.

I am waiting for more info on Bernie's bill, bill number, language, etc.

CONTINUED w/links to details...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/21/1423494/-Don-Siegelman-Supports-Bernie-Sanders-Prison-Reform-Bill

One thing I do know: I won't chose Karl Rove over Don Siegelman.

[PufPuf23]

17. Carville is a snake. eom

[NCTraveler]

8. Karl Rove has a secret plan to ratf*ck Hillary

Four years after Karl Rove wasted over $300 million from establishment GOP donors in his unsuccessful attempt to use his Super PAC American Crossroads to elect Mitt Romney president, he’s started running ads in the Democratic primary race against Hillary Clinton in Iowa. Why?

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/19/karl_rove_has_a_secret_plan_to_ratfck_hillary_and_make_himself_millions/

[ViseGrip]

12. He was off the coast of GA in a meeting with her higher ups.

I thought it was for county/count election shenanigans, as Rove owns the 'private software'. They all want Hillary, for the money buckets will continue to pass through the same entities. This means more war.

[melm00se]

13. jury results

Is Karl Rove helping the Hillary for President campaign?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511712926

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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This shit is completely inappropriate for DU. Still election season people. Let's not carry the right wing's water for them here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:39 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: While the argument could be made that they are "chumming around", the reality is that this is long standing academic lecture series and this particular event will be moderated by Jim Lehrer
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Explanation: Balderdash.

[Octafish]

22. Censorship is un-Democratic.

Thank you for the heads-up, melm00se!

[amborin]

25. attempted censorship of an article from Salon?!

[SidDithers]

14. American Crossroads PAC has spent funds running anti-Hillary ads...

if anything, Karl Rove has been helping the Bernie campaign.

http://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cycle=2016&cmte=c00487363

Sid

[NCTraveler]

18. Here is a libertarian who works daily to bring down Clinton while propping up Sanders.

A true ratfucker. Thankfully very few are stupid enough to fall for his ratfucking.

hagoodman.com

[NCTraveler]

20. Ratfucking from the National Review: Hurt Clinton, Help Sanders

Republicans Should Help Bernie Sanders to Weaken Hillary

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

[Octafish]

33. So, Operation CHAOS from Rush Limbaugh in 2008?

Republicans can strengthen Sanders’s financial position so that he will have ample resources to dog Clinton and turn her into a raging leftist during the primary season.

NCTraveler's source: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

Ever hear of William F. Buckley?

Details:

Gore Vidal vs. William F. 'Crypto Nazi' Buckley in 1968

[NCTraveler]

35. I am familiar with Buckley.

And you are correct, ratfucking is exactly what is going on here. Pretty brazen of you to admit it.

[Gothmog]

27. No, Rove is running attack ads against Clinton to help Sanders

The GOP really wants to run against a weaker candidate http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-karl-rove-attack

The Hillary Clinton campaign on Tuesday said that recent attacks from conservatives show that Republicans are hoping Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) will win the Democratic nomination because they believe he would be easier to beat in the general election.

In a Tuesday evening statement, the Clinton campaign's communications director, Jennifer Palmieri, mentioned an ad from the Rove-aligned super PAC American Crossroads, which accused Clinton of being in Wall Street's pocket. Palmieri said the ad suggests that Republicans want to face Sanders in the general election.

"While Senator Sanders tries to make a case on electability based on meaningless polls, Republicans and their super PACs have made clear the candidate they’re actually afraid to face. The Sanders argument falls apart when the GOP spokesman is trying to help him and the Republicans run ads trying to stop Hillary Clinton in the primary," she said in the statement.

Karl Rove is running an attack ad against Clinton. Rove is doing this for one purpose which is to weaken the strongest candidate

[Octafish]

34. That's what the GOP says. My gigantic DEM nose says otherwise.

Bernie Sanders is MUCH more electable than Hillary Clinton

FEBRUARY 18, 2016: The latest Quinnipiac Poll of national voters shows that Bernie Sanders performs MUCH better than Hillary Clinton against potential GOP opponents.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/20/1488200/-LATEST-POLL-Bernie-Sanders-is-MUCH-more-electable-than-Hillary-Clinton

FWIW: I have a YUGE nose. Very big. One of the biggest people have seen. I can see my nose when I cross my eyes. Some men after age 40 never see their nose.

[Gothmog]

39. Match up polling is worthless unless both candidates have been vetted

Sanders has not been vetted Dana Milbank has some good comments on general election match up polls https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/democrats-would-be-insane-to-nominate-bernie-sanders/2016/01/26/0590e624-c472-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html?hpid=hp_opinions-for-wide-side_opinion-card-a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Sanders and his supporters boast of polls showing him, on average, matching up slightly better against Trump than Clinton does. But those matchups are misleading: Opponents have been attacking and defining Clinton for a quarter- century, but nobody has really gone to work yet on demonizing Sanders.

Watching Sanders at Monday night’s Democratic presidential forum in Des Moines, I imagined how Trump — or another Republican nominee — would disembowel the relatively unknown Vermonter.

The first questioner from the audience asked Sanders to explain why he embraces the “socialist” label and requested that Sanders define it “so that it doesn’t concern the rest of us citizens.”

Sanders, explaining that much of what he proposes is happening in Scandinavia and Germany (a concept that itself alarms Americans who don’t want to be like socialized Europe), answered vaguely: “Creating a government that works for all of us, not just a handful of people on the top — that’s my definition of democratic socialism.”

But that’s not how Republicans will define socialism — and they’ll have the dictionary on their side. They’ll portray Sanders as one who wants the government to own and control major industries and the means of production and distribution of goods. They’ll say he wants to take away private property. That wouldn’t be fair, but it would be easy. Socialists don’t win national elections in the United States .

Sanders on Monday night also admitted he would seek massive tax increases — “one of the biggest tax hikes in history,” as moderator Chris Cuomo put it — to expand Medicare to all. Sanders, this time making a comparison with Britain and France, allowed that “hypothetically, you’re going to pay $5,000 more in taxes,” and declared, “W e will raise taxes, yes we will.” He said this would be offset by lower health-insurance premiums and protested that “it’s demagogic to say, oh, you’re paying more in taxes.”

Well, yes — and Trump is a demagogue.

Sanders also made clear he would be happy to identify Democrats as the party of big government and of wealth redistribution. When Cuomo said Sanders seemed to be saying he would grow government “bigger than ever,” Sanders didn’t quarrel, saying, “P eople want to criticize me, okay,” and “F ine, if that’s the criticism, I accept it.”

Sanders accepts it, but are Democrats ready to accept ownership of socialism, massive tax increases and a dramatic expansion of government? If so, they will lose.

Match up polls are worthless because these polls do not measure what would happen to Sanders in a general election where Sanders is very vulnerable to negative ads.

[SidDithers]

36. Exactly...

the even said so in their FEC filings, as reported by opensecrets:

https://www.opensecrets.org/outsidespending/recips.php?cmte=C00487363&cycle=2016

Sid

[Gothmog]

38. Rove and others know that Sanders would be a very weak general election candidate

[SidDithers]

40. And that attacking Hillary "from the left" during a primary...

will damage her in the GE, if she does become the candidate.

Sid

[BernieforPres2016]

30. Hillary attack dog Lanny Davis is buddies with Karl Rove too

Among the Hillary emails that have been released was a really pathetic one from Lanny Davis groveling for her to speak to or issue a nice statement for a writer who was doing a cover story on a new law/public relations practice Davis was opening. Davis named some people who had already agreed, including Bill Clinton and some politicians and/or political operatives from both parties including Karl Rove!

It's all just one big happy family in the political establishment. After the political fights, they gather at conferences and exchange laughs and stories over drinks.

[SwampG8r]

32. Only spiritually

[Skwmom]

37. They are all just one big happy family.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/george-w-bush-hillary-clinton-sweetly-hug-at-nancy-reagan-funeral-w167138