Why I'm Feeling the Bern!

[rhyden77]

First because Democratic Socialism is not Socialism. Second because Hillary is part of our corrupt system. Nobody can justify receiving millions from special interest groups and not owe them something in return. Hillary has Superdelegates committed to her no matter how that particular state voted. Apparently our individual vote doesn't count. The political insiders pick our candidates. How can you be okay with that? A vote for Trump or Clinton will only get us politics as usual.

[metroins]

1. What?

You said a vote for Trump is a vote for politics as usual?

[potone]

2. I don't get that either. N/T

[brooklynite]

3. If Democratic Socialism isn't really Socialism, perhaps Sanders should find another name for it...

democratic socialism
noun
a form of socialism with a democratic government; the ownership and control of the means of production, capital, land, property, etc., by the community as a whole -- combined with a democratic government

Democratic socialism is a political ideology advocating political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production, with democratic management of enterprises within a socialist economic system.

[TBF]

4. Perhaps you should cite your sources

although the red-baiting is becoming far less welcome in a world in which our youth - the millennials - aren't buying it and have had enough of the 1% owning most of everything.

I don't care what words we use to describe it - socialism, redistribution, equality - but one way or another things are going to change. I hope for your sake we can do this peaceably.

[snowy owl]

9. even if your post were accurate, democratic management includes the people UNIONS which is . . .

what the German Constitution has in in at the suggestion of Harry Truman and is why the German economy works so well. Everybody is invested in the outcomes. You have to be a little wise as well as a good definition spouter from whatever source.

[snowy owl]

10. It is about including the people however you do it otherwise we have oligarchy (as it is now).

[TBF]

5. Cute video -

socialism is a big topic and probably one you're not going to want to tackle in GD: P.

For the purpose of discussing Bernie what you're looking at is an FDR Progressive. That he calls himself a democratic socialist is probably ambitious, but he is by far the best of the candidates we've seen thus far.

[chknltl]

6. Well said. btw Jury voted 0-7 to pull this.

Someone complained that you compared Hillary to Trump. I would explore this a bit. First off Hillary is not a right wing crank, for example she is not fighting to overturn Roe V Wade, she is not talking about immigration as if it were a direct threat to our economy or worse to our national security. Unlike Trump Hillary is not campaigning around the country carnival barker like talking about impossible border walls and how his wife looks better than his opponents.

Where OP is spot on is that our political system is indeed corrupt. ALL of our politicians opperate within that system. What once was called bribery-what should be called bribery is now the status quo in our politics. From what i understand once elected, a politician must spend a majority portion of their time raising money for their next election if they want to get re-elected.

Nothing i am pointing out here is news to anyone paying attention (that includes our fellow DUers). The part i find intresting is how quick some here are to point out this corruption as being exclusive to the Republican Party! Most here recognize the problem and are eager to support ANY viable candidates who are willing to talk about this corruption.

The fact that Bernie threw his hat in the ring promissing to fight that corruption is something we had all but given up hope on ANY candidate having the guts to do-which explains our enthusiasm. Had Hillary Clinton made such an offer, (she didn't/likely couldn't) Bernie would likely not have even entered this race and we here at DU would be wildly cheering Hillary on!

[NorthCarolina]

7. Hillary has received hundreds of thousands of $$ from the fossil fuel industry

and is a strong advocate of fracking. Anyone here besides me that thinks there may be a probable connection between graft received and policies supported?

[TBF]

8. She played the game like all the others -

and that includes fracking and trade agreements. 2008 really was her year to run. It is unfortunate for her that Obama came along, and that now the voters have a choice (and are frankly much more aware of issues thanks to the Internet). She may still eek it out as the dem candidate, but I find it hard to believe that an establishment candidate is going to win in this political climate. The crappy part is that it is going to be very hard to stop the Donald now that he's giving in and talking about Rubio, Kasich, or Scott as VP. Bernie can beat him but I don't see Hillary as having a chance in h*ll against them.

[snowy owl]

11. and most of those pledged to HRC SDs are still playing the game . . .

it never ends. Finding one honest senator is rare and may never happen again. Certainly not from my state, Cantwell and Murray.