2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLatest lying narrative by the HRC campaign
The claim that Bernie has to win New York or he's done.
Neither Bernie nor his campaign have ever said that. They hope to be close, and maaaaayyybe win, but their view - repeatedly stated, is that the campaign isn't over until California.
Period.
Full stop.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)maybe when she loses the nomination she can go into fiction writing.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)My primary is not until June. Seems only fair we should all have a choice. I like choice. It makes me feel as if part of democracy is still alive!
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)He might, he might not.
Who knows.
The primary isn't over but it's certainly an uphill climb for him.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Hillary is running scared because of California.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)At this moment her campaign leads in almost all measurable metrics.
- Pledged Delegate
- Primary State Popular Vote Count
- Super Delegates
- And on...
KPN
(15,646 posts)"I think we can win New York if enough voters turn out." Big difference ... and hard to argue with his statement.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Is NY harder to rig with early voting absentee ballots over the other ones?
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Imagine the turnout of Bernie supporters in the quasi-open primary if the voters their know they can win it for Bernie.
Can you say 75/25?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)rigging :"assemble and adjust to make it ready for operation." By DNC having drives to get out early absentee ballots only helps Clinton because in primary underdog like Sanders is never going to be able to get his name out in time to counter them. Why do you think Clinton has done so well in that area? By DNC not having any GOTV drives anywhere as they have done in every other primary. Why would the DNC not want to get more people registered as democrat to vote in a election? That one is too obvious reason unless you are a blind supporter of candidate that it helps.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)GOTV is not rigging an election.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Lack of GOTV is. Because you don't want 18-25 people to vote because they are more likely to vote for one over other. So you don't run it even though it is proven way to get people out in GE. DNC would rather have one person have advantage for primary than make it easier for what even nomination to win the GE.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Then he wins more primaries. Their prognostication skills have proved to be non-existent.
Actually, in this case, Bernie really does need a win in NY to keep his momentum. It doesn't have to be a blowout, just a W. Technically a loss isn't the end, but the reality is he has to keep winning primaries, especially the big ones.
KPN
(15,646 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)How many times did we hear on DU, from the peanut gallery--that if Hillary won Iowa, it was all over for Bernie?
They've been making the case, since November--that if HRC wins (fill in the blank with name of state), that he is done.
I don't know how many times Sanders needs to say it:
--He's in until the convention.
--This is not just about a primary election.
--This is about a movement, a revolution, that extends beyond the primary season.
Furthermore, Bernie will have a ton of delegates at the national convention. He's not just going to abandon those people and stop fighting.