2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMSNBC reporter embarrasses herself live on air at Rochester rally
Casey Hunt, their "embed" reporter, who is kind of okay i guess, just jumped the shark.
She was covering the line outside a Bernie rally in Rochester. In advancing the meme that Sanders does not appeal to real voters, she wanted to illustrate it.
"There's a long line out here..... But here's the problem Sanders faces in the election."
Pointing to a group of people in the line she said: "Are you registered to vote?"....."Yessssss" they replied....... "But are you registered as Democrats?".........."Absolutely!"................Then she went to another section. "How about you?"..."Yes we've all registered as Democrats!"
Then she looked around, a little flustered..."Anyone, anyone here not registered?"
While it is a problem for Sanders, it was an illustration of how they keep trying to undermine his candidacy. The uipdated version of "sanders might win 10 percent of the vote if he's lucky."
Sometimes those handy conventional wisdom messages and stereotypes the media loves to flog us with don't quite work out as planned.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)A few Hilli Vanilli fans were peddling that lie around here too...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)I think even Hillary supporters can laugh at the Hilli Vanilli name, it is so apropos... Thank you Cornel West for coining it
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Punkingal
(9,522 posts)You don't usually say things like that.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)monmouth4
(9,708 posts)lasttrip
(1,013 posts)Peace.
LT
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)dragonfly301
(399 posts)there to answer the questions in the narrative she's trying to promote
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)The reporter had two options if she wanted to be a real journalist.
1) She could have prepared by doing a more substantial survey of the people in line beforehand and being honest about the results without preconceptions when reporting on it.
2) She could have done an actual spontaneous live sampling, without leading into it as saying Bernie has a "problem" or claiming tyhat the reactions of a handful of people represented any larger trends (whether favorable or unfavorable to Bernie).
But instead she wanted to "illustrate" the pre-established "problem" being spread by the MSM/Clinton Campaign narrative, and slipped up by a reality on the ground.
A reporter is supposed to explore and find, not drive a pre-determined narrative.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And this is what is wrong with most journalism today!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pathetic. Other tactics are to dominate MIRT and the host forum. Sadly their efforts hardly make a dent in our enthusiasm.
merrily
(45,251 posts)unethical.
frylock
(34,825 posts)That's even better than MSHRC!
merrily
(45,251 posts)which poster I stole it from, but I can't
frylock
(34,825 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)here in NY.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)She asked the question off camera ... and they all said they were not; then, when she asked on camera ... they all changed their answer!
How am I doing?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)since winging it didn't work.
dchill
(38,503 posts)Bob41213
(491 posts)Heck, I bet there were non-citizens, and underaged people, and who knows what else at her rallies.
JEB
(4,748 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)just because you say you are a registered Democrat doesn't mean you are.
Ineligible to vote is not something I'd admit on a world broadcast while standing in a Bernie line.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)But illustrated an opposite point of what she was trying to prove.
People don't stand in line for hours on a chilly morning if they are not engaged.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)at all. Not a good on air moment for the cable talker.
There was obviously a lot of confusion about that.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)This is priceless. Video?
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Thanks!
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)And they were embarrassed to find that they were all Bernie Sanders supporters.
After they tried their young white male meme for one of the first times.
Bob41213
(491 posts)Reporters sure seem to have a lot of stupid in their blood.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)...who don't give a fuck about big Naderesque mosh pits.
Feel The Math!
bvf
(6,604 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)See you on 3/2!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)and a lot of them are calling voters to get them to volunteer for Bernie, and get out the vote.
Clinton M.A.T.H.= Mythological Assumption That Hillarywillwin.
Joob
(1,065 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)she has been "covering" his campaign by dismissing it and tearing it down at every opportunity.
gods, i hope there is video of this embarassment. she deserves it.
Funtatlaguy
(10,878 posts)He said he wishes she wasn't gay.
I don't care if she is gay or not and that has nothing to do with this, I do think that she often looks for the most negative things to point out in her reports.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)not because I am incapable of looking at her physical attractiveness or lack, but because her obvious partisanship is so vile as to bring out her inner ugliness. and inner ugliness cant be covered with makeup or a nice hairdo.
drray23
(7,633 posts)Did they just register as democrats ? I thought that in NY it does not take effect until after november. i.e it takes a cycle before you can vote in a primary under a new registration. If you are a new voter no such problem.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)independent and Republican who wants to vote in our Democratic Party primary should be allowed to - that would be a fair representation of what Democrats want in a candidate?
Only if the independent candidate (the admitted DINO) wins the nomination will it ever be fair.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)A slide rule should not be required to register and determine what party you are eligible to vote for. And excessively long delay or otehr impediments to prevent people from getting excited about a candidate and voting for him or her is undemocratic.....
.If it were not in the interests of the Clinton camp to limit primary voting, I suspect you might be singing a different tune as a voting rights question -- but in this circumstance it is helpful to take the GOP "make it hard to vote" position.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Mostly like-minded people.
Constitutional voting rights kick in in November.
Where your vote is meaningless if your state swings for the other party.
The Democratic primaries are more democratic than the general election! If you get votes, you generally get delegates. It's not winner-take-all.
Your problem is how Democrats vote and your personal dislike for the Democratic nominee.
I can see why "Democratic Underground" is so annoying to those who despise Democrats.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Despising Clinton and her brand of democrats is not despising "Democrats" generically.
That is no different than saying despising Sanders supporters is despising "Democrats" generically.
And the idea of encouraging voter participation is not something you change your mind on depending on the current mix of candidates.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)He is an independent running as a "Democrat" to increase his chances of winning political party support - the only historically reliable path to the presidency.
A great number of "Bernie supporters" - particularly at DU and in comment sections everywhere - are not Democrats and will not support any Democratic nominee other than Sanders.
Democrats overwhelmingly support the Democratic candidate. Which is why Sanders is losing.
We have our Democratic Party. We don't need DINO's explaining what is wrong with us intellectually.
Where do "Democrats for Trump" get to post at DU?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Whatever gets you through the night
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It has worked great in CA for the Rs...hell, next logical step, close it in tje General. The closed primary system worked in the past. But yup, do it. Get these unelectable candidates and watch independents, the majority of voters nowadays, vote for third parties in general elections. It will accelerate the already ongoing process.
3hummingbirds
(58 posts)This is one mature Dem woman who is voting for Bernie.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)But I bet you will vote for the Democratic nominee in November!
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)The following document: http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/533/15031422533/15031422533.pdf
In box 4 it shows party affiliation. This is in effect his registration with the Democratic party.
This is an official document, so Sanders is OFFICIALLY a Democrat, like it or not.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)A great number of "Bernie supporters" - particularly at DU and in comment sections everywhere - are not Democrats and will not support any Democratic nominee other than Sanders.
A great number of Bernie supporters ARE democrats, who have voted dem all their lives, but some of them are so sick of watching the democratic party move to the right, that they are having 2nd thoughts about voting to continue that pattern. They may leave the party if it continues this way, or they may stay with the party and just not vote in elections that don't offer them anything...who knows?
I know that just because you are a democrat, does not mean you will vote for, or have to vote for "ANY" democratic candidate. Some people are not so tied to the party that it rises above their moral code.
Many of us will vote for Hillary if she wins, just to keep the republicans out, but that does not make us any more a democrat than those dems who won't vote for her. It just means we are more terrified of a republican in the white house than they are. They are more risk averse, or less motivated to vote...that's all.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Because I'm a lifelong Democrat and I respect my fellow Democrats.
This is why I dislike GD-P so much.
You know - "If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck..."
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I don't get hung up on capitalization or punctuation any more, and I don't get hung up by labels any more (like democrat) either. You can go through life being uptight if you want. I found it to be too wearying.
I am a bit of a grammar and spelling nut. I do have to check my posts for that, because I hate it when I use the wrong word, or spell it wrong. I still mess that up sometimes, but I'm human.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)That's respect - or disrespect.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)As I age, my hands are slower on the keyboard, and the arthritis makes reaching for keys (like the caps lock) harder, so I go the easy route and just forgo it often. I still try to capitalize the beginning of sentences, but often find myself not even doing that.
Age does affect your typing. When I write by hand, I do usually capitalize all names and proper nouns. But I don't write by hand very often, as my hands are too shaky for that. I can't even read my own writing any more.
I am a democrat. Why would I disrespect myself? I'm just not hung up by rules like you are. I was when I was younger. I used to do editing, so I was pretty picky. Age has a way of mellowing you out.
edited post to change typ[ng to typing in title...see what I mean? I don't want to have to edit everything I do. I type too slow as it is, and I think it's just OTC to have to be that perfect on an internet forum. If this were an official letter, I'd be much more careful.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)And there's that little d democrat again.
I'm not picky about spelling and punctuation, typos. But a consistency in tone and disrespect? Too obvious.
I remember seeing Senator John Kennedy at a rally at the state capitol in Albany, NY when my parents lived in Troy.
We're all getting older.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Today I already went back and edited one post for a missing cap at the beginning of a sentence...because that is so drilled into my psyche that it still leaves me feeling like an unfinished sentence. I've been noticing a lof ot missing punctuation, like missing periods at the end of my sentences. I've also been noticing problems with hand skills and speech aphasia.
We don't all age the same. You are lucky to be aging without any depreciation of nimbleness.
You can make an issue of this all you want, but to me a democrat is a democrat, whether the word is capitalized or not. It does not change meaning for me. If it does for you, that's your problem.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)when it matters to you.
But not little d democrat, 'cause that don't matter.
Back to where we started.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)capitalization is not a hang up for me, except when typing someone's name, or starting a sentence. There is only one word (name) that bothers me and I have to fight myself not to capitalize it, and that is god. I am an atheist, so in this case it is a way of not accepting the reality of this entity. But that is the only time it's a deliberate thing, or not a hangup. And maybe it's not even a hangup for the beginning of a sentence...because capitalization helps people read the text easier, whereas capitalizing a word or name in the text is not that important.
Your trying to turn this into something it isn't is very telling. You need to learn to relax and enjoy life.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)How about sexism and racism? Are they OK as well? Yallerpig is more like it.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)does not capitalize democrat or republican. They are capitalized when the word party follows and for the dems that is Democratic Party.
I just find this amusing as hell, but also avoids real issues.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)If you are not a Democrat, why pretend?
Just to post at DU? Just to disrupt at DU?
What a waste of time.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)that leaves me without a primary vote here in Oregon. Different from the other two states i lived in where i voted for the dems even tho i was independent.
I didn't dislike Senator Clinton in 2008, but much preferred Obama.
This season, I've had a lot of time to #research.
I'm voting FOR something for the first time in my life. It feels good
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)DINO better applies to Hillary. Bernie is a Democrat In Policy Only. If Democrats were actually what they claim to be, Bernie would accept the Democrat label gladly.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I don't need DINO's telling me we are all really democratic socialists - or socialists. I live in the USA - definitely not a socialist-leaning country at this time.
I don't think Republican presidents help us - which is what Bernie would get us.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Ignore for you.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)are to bolster the rich, on the backs of the middle class, you are correct.
And I have more news for you, we have had a socialist leaning country for a very long time. Social Security, Public schools, Public libraries, Public works, public roads, are ALL socialist characteristics of our country. And that's just the very start of the list.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)in the immortal words of Al Davis, "Just win, baby."
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Amaril
(1,267 posts)Should they have to wait an entire year before they can vote?
drray23
(7,633 posts)You can register as a new voter and declare your affiliation and it will take hold for the upcoming election.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)My understanding is that if you were reg. Dem by that date you can vote in the primary.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)you have to wait until the next primary to vote if you register for a party that does primaries. If you are newly registered, simply register for a party that has primaries, and you can vote in the upcoming primary. That's the way it works in NY. I know, because I have worked the elections for YEARS.
Qutzupalotl
(14,317 posts)Everyone should check again...and again.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)it is merely an M$NBC tactic, which is understandable in view of most of their coverage of Bernie...
she gets asked a lot of questions designed to have her 'agree' with the premise of the question...rarely does she offer any refutation of the premise or an opposing take...
none of this is probably remotely in her power to affect....
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)What a fucking difference!!!
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)I have lived in
Alabama - Florida - Texas - Wyoming - North Carolina - Colorado - California - Michigan
The south ______ - if i fill in the blank i will get another alert
sad
Octafish
(55,745 posts)You don't write a story first and then go looking for the facts.
That's called advocacy. Oh, right.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)blm
(113,065 posts)She's a 'villager' through and through, imo.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I assume that's who you are talking about.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am not a fan of the whole MSNBC elections crew. It could be ageism but they all seem like kids to me.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)But that's just age I guess. I remember watching people like Walter Cronkheit, Frank McGee and Huntley Brinkly as the adults.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Wolf Blitzer, for instance.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)One would think if it were merely a matter of age It might be possible to look at old news clips and think they look like kids.
But when I;ve seen replays of Walter and most of the reporters of that era, I still see them as responsible adults and authoritative journalists, even though they were 20 years younger than I am at the time.
I think it has a lot to do with lowering of standards.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)MSNBC in particular seems to skew in this direction. CNN, for all its many faults, seems to have a more diverse group age-wise.
I also think there are too many "in jokes" and silliness on these broadcasts.
And the debate lead-up is seriously like a reality show. The promos are preposterous on all networks.
I am seeing more and more that it's really just show business.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)They were the anchors and convention reporters. I'm pretty sure the reporters on the trail were mostly kids then too, except for those who joined for short hops to write long articles about the candidate/campaign.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Talking heads that repeat memes, instead of real journalists that report facts. THOSE are the problems Bernie faces!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)such as "the crowd is smaller than expected" etc. Then the camera shows the huge crowd....ooops!
KPN
(15,646 posts)Corporations and MSM select our leaders, run our country, and control what people know (to the maximum extent they can). It's so ridiculously transparent.
Here's heresy for you all -- and this post will probably get hidden because of it (hell maybe I'll get banned):
This situation is so caustically and fatally bad that I frankly would not be surprised if Berners urge Bernie to run as an Independent in the GE should he not win the nomination. I doubt that Bernie would do that. But if he did, I would have a very hard time not supporting him.
PCPrincess
(68 posts)and there are many many people who would agree with you (myself included).
Avalux
(35,015 posts)There was no evidence they could provide of course. I'm sure this was a rumor started by Hillary's campaign now what I've read your post. Just another attempt to marginalize Bernie.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)so it certainly is a problem in some areas.
Vinca
(50,278 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I covered the Cruz rally last night. You know when this is bad? I have been told this about media manipulation by voters on both side of the aisle. This is when those memes lose effectiveness.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It used to be you had to pay your dues doing scut-work as a reporter, and move up progressively through the ladder for years before making it into the "big time."
Now, people get elevated instantly because they are cute or are in the right place right time....
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)You nuts? That is where the latest accident and kitty up a tree are. Those bring eyes in screen...the planning board...not so much
xynthee
(477 posts)If 80% of would-be Bernie voters actually get to vote in the primary, I think he can pull this off.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)to vote.
What? Did they scientifically poll the crowd? No, they didn't.
This is more bullshit memes spread by the Clinton camp and their wiling sycophants who want this in the heads of New Yorkers, "Bernie can't win. Don't even bother. Please don't vote."
Screw them.
Scurrilous, cheap tricks. That's all they've got.
blm
(113,065 posts)narratives.
No surprise she didn't find what she was looking for. heh
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Didn't she get the email this morning? Or does it come out too late in the day to help her?
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Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They suuuuck!
jillan
(39,451 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)the American People that way.
Thanks for the thread, Armstead.