Bernie Sanders is married to a woman

[hellofromreddit]

I trust that this will put an end to charges of sexism.

[brooklynite]

1. Donald Trump is married to a woman

I trust that this will put an end to charges of sexism.

(I actually have no idea what this OP is in reference to, but whatever it is, this is a pretty weak argument)

[morningfog]

2. It is a weak argument. I assume it's in response to Bill's

Asinine comment.

[Baobab]

44. Hillary is hardly a feminist

She should NOT be the first woman President.

Elizabeth Warren - YES.

Hillary Clinton - NO

[Nye Bevan]

3. "Cautious Politiciangate" (nt)

[Chan790]

4. Arguments that Bill DiBlasio can't be a racist because he's married to a woman of color.

It's an absurd argument, but also a weak defense.

People in mixed race marriages can absolutely be racists. I may be the person alive most acutely aware of it however...my biological father is a vicious racist who somehow managed to not notice for 14 years of marriage that my mother is 50% Arabic and 25% Cree...and not European white. As a result, his children are bi-racial.

And yet, he will openly say things in front of us about the inferiority of people of non-European descent.

[oberliner]

10. Did you find the entire skit to be racist?

Or just the Hillary part?

[Chan790]

62. Some parts but not others; the Hillary part, in addition to other parts.

Generally, I find racial minstrel humor to be in bad taste and offensive.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

6. You just argued against Bill De Blasio's defense...

That he can't say anything racist because he married a Black woman...

Thanks for taking one for the team

[KittyWampus]

24. No, actually that poster just pointed out the stupid lack of logic in the OP.

And no one is claiming DeBlasio "can't say anything racist because he married a Black woman".

We're saying he is not a racist, is married to a black woman and has a black son and is comfortable using terms they use.

People who actually have black family members and friends (not just people they talk to at work) don't flip out at the use of a cultural term that is not racist.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

37. Point to any post of mine where I claimed DeBlasio was a racist...

Maybe others have... All I said is he made a racist joke, and one that wasn't funny to boot. If you are going to go off-color at least be humorous.

The crowd was not his family... When he said it I heard a few grumbles and even one man yelled out NO.

Being gay I am perfectly cool with close family saying gay jokes, etc. That is very different than a stranger doing the same thing. If a straight person used certain homophobic epithets at me I would take big offense, but among friends we use those same words of hate in a positive way as terms of endearment.

I think the main issue here is you can't say things to strangers that you can to people you are close with and have a comfortable relationship of understanding.

[Bob41213]

8. Obviously (I think) in regards to De Blasio's joke with Hillary

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. IOKIYAC

[merrily]

14. Bingo!

[drray23]

7. that argument is as ridiculous

as the "I have black friends" argument that bigotted people make.

[Matt_in_STL]

9. That's the point of the OP which you seem to have missed.

See the support for Bill DeBlasio about his racist comment being okay because of his wife.

[geek tragedy]

11. the joke wasn't racist, but wevs, keep on flailing your arms over it nt

[CentralCoaster]

18. Of course it was racist.

To think otherwise is willfully ignorant. It's been explained to death.

You don't have to have seen it IRL for it to be true.

Bill and Hill, representing the worst traditions of the white south.

Over and over and over again.

[merrily]

16. In fairness, the support is only for Hillary's participation in this staged "joke."

The other players are only the excuse. If Hillary had not been involved and they were not supporting her, they'd both be under the limo by now.

[KittyWampus]

25. It wasn't a racist comment. Just because you and other Sanders supporters

don't actually have any black family members or close friends and are thus unfamiliar with black culture, doesn't mean those who DO have such close contact are racist.

[Matt_in_STL]

27. I'll be sure to let my black and bi-racial family members know they don't exist.

They'll be so sad, but because some ridiculously clueless Hillary supporter stuck her foot in her mouth, they'll just have to cease their existence. It sucks because I was really fond of them.

[KittyWampus]

30. LOL! You go ask them to watch that clip and get back to you if they're offended.

You go ask them if they've ever heard/used that term.

[Matt_in_STL]

32. We have all heard the term and I am sure they may have used it, as have black friends of mine

However, they are not white people entertaining white people by using a racist generalization of black people being late. I am sure they possibly also use the N-word with friends but that doesn't mean I am going to assume it is okay for me to do the same or make a blatantly racist joke such as "CP time".

It was a racist joke. Does that make them racist? No, but it certainly shows poor judgment and a lack of understanding/empathy for other races. They should own it, apologize, and move on.

[Amaril]

60. ^^This!!^^ (n/t)

[merrily]

13. WHOOSH!

[pdsimdars]

19. You gotta try the smilies

Too bad, I thought for sure there would be one for that "whoosh", but it doesn't look like it.

[merrily]

21. Here you go

https://www.google.com/search?q=image+whoosh+over+head&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwibm4yJpInMAhWBPj4KHWh-DqgQ_AUIBygB&biw=1047&bih=468

[merrily]

12. The CP bit was obviously something written. The participants could not have seemed any

less spontaneous or more rehearsed if they had tried. That means people actually thought about it.

It was, at best, in very poor taste, and nothing changes that, not Hillary's being married to the "First Black President",* not DeBlasi's being married to an African American woman, and not the participation of an African American male who, for reasons I don't understand, was in a costume.

Why people are incapable of conceding that and moving on, I have no idea.

GREAT OP, by the way. Kudos.



*Toni Morrison originated that label. When Obama was running, she explained why she had said it. Her reasons were not what you might assume.

[oberliner]

39. "participation of an African American male who, for reasons I don't understand, was in a costume"

You obviously did not watch the skit.

It was a parody of Hamilton, featuring Leslie Odom Jr. (he's the costumed African-American male) who plays Aaron Burr in that musical (which is the biggest show on Broadway).

The premise is that Bill de Blasio has travelled back in time where he meets with the Hamilton, The Musical version of Aaron Burr who tells him that he needs to promote himself in a more "hip hop" style.

Odom as Burr encourages de Blasio to improve his rapping style (his first attempt is deemed weak). de Blasio then proceeds to rap about politics, a la the characters in Hamilton.

He then introduces Hillary, whom he refers to as his "homegirl".

Then comes Hillary's cameo that folks are talking about.

Incidentally, this was one of many skits that are part of a NYC traditional event roasting NY politicians. There were spoofs of Cuomo, Weiner, and mostly de Blasio. It is a charity event that has been going on since the early 1920s, I believe.

[merrily]

43. And?

No, I did not see the whole skit. If your post was intended to make some point about the CP remark, I missed it.

[oberliner]

49. Just providing the context

Explaining what the purpose of the costume was, for instance, and trying to give you a fuller understanding of what the skit and the event were all about.

[merrily]

50. I appreciate the explanation.

[CentralCoaster]

17. Brilliant!

.
I think some of the most ignorant backpeddling I've ever read on a democratic board is from yesterday's pathetic pass given to de Blasio and Clinton for their "CP Time" slam at the expense of POC.

It's unbelievable. And if we don't challenge this shit then the bigots grow stronger.

Clinton should be ashamed, or "almost ashamed".

[merrily]

23. Neither of those seem to be in her repetoire.

[MisterP]

28. the only way to win their game is to point out that they're playing it

they figure that if they object to being called on things like "English only" loudly enough with enough pain and justified anger, then enough liberals will be guilted or dazed into taking an apologetic stance

people will see that 1. it's a pattern with them and 2. it's an extremely dangerous game to be playing with Trump in the running

[kristopher]

20. kick

[KittyWampus]

22. Depends if he actually listens to her views on sexism and considers them.

DeBlasio is neither a racist nor a sexist. And that joke wasn't racist either.

The only context his joke could be considered "racist" is one of total ignorance of black/minority culture.

The fact so many Sanders supporters exhibit this lack of knowledge/familiarity says something about them…

BTW, if anyone even gave a cr*p about that joke and whether it was actually offensive there is a forum on this website that has ACTUAL people of color opining about it.

[merrily]

26. Thrilled to be rec #5. Come on, now, don't forget to rec this brilliant OP!

[KittyWampus]

29. A bunch of white people deciding what offends people of color. LOLZ

Go ahead and rec it.

It makes you all look bad.

If you cared, there's a thread in a forum for ACTUAL people of color discussing this very topic.

WHOOSH, indeed.

[merrily]

31. Remind me how you know what DNA I have?

That said I said nothing about what offends people of color. However, even though I said nothing about it, I don't agree with the notion that only people of color can recognize an offensive statement when they hear one. As far what groups I post in, the answer is zero, except the Bernie Sanders Group. Not a single group based on how I was born.

[Matt_in_STL]

33. She already assumed I had no black family or friends above and was sorely mistaken

You would think she'd realize that her generalizations were just a road to failure but that would take self-awareness.

[KittyWampus]

36. Well, how else to explain your lack of knowledge?

[Matt_in_STL]

40. Lack of knowledge?

The comment was racist. Go ahead and start calling blacks "colored people" and see how far that gets you, not to mention that it included a joke about them being lazy/late. The question is, does that make them racist for saying it? The answer is, not necessarily. Tone deaf to POC, but not necessarily racist.

You would find it a racist comment too if anyone else had said it.

[KittyWampus]

42. I wonder if Leslie Odom Jr., who was part of the skit, was offended:

Clinton took the stage ostensibly to thank De Blasio, a former aide, for his belated endorsement of her for the Democratic nomination.

"Took you long enough," Clinton said.

De Blasio responded, "Sorry, Hillary. I was running on C.P. time." The phrase, popular in pop culture, is a reference to the stereotype that African-Americans are typically late for appointments.

Broadway actor Leslie Odom Jr., who was also on stage with Clinton and De Blasio and appeared to be in on the joke, said, "That's not - I don't like jokes about that, Bill."

Clinton then turned to Odom and delivered the punch line, "Cautious Politician Time. I've been there.

SURELY, if it was so offensive Leslie Odom Jr would have refused to go there.

[Matt_in_STL]

45. So are you okay with jokes you find sexist as long as one woman is okay with them?

If a woman thinks it is funny when another woman is called something derogatory you'll be cool with that? That's the standard you are setting.

Do you think it is racist to refer to black people as "colored people" or to insinuate they are always late/lazy?

[KittyWampus]

46. Ah, so you imply Leslie Odom Jr is a token in the skit to make it passable?

Doesn't he have his own opinions and capability of refusing to join in if the material that is so terribly despicable and insulting?

[Matt_in_STL]

47. He can be okay with it if he wants - nice attempt at deflection.

How does that imply that it is okay for everyone else? You extrapolated that it was not racist because he was okay with it. How do you allow him to speak for all black people?

[oberliner]

51. Did you find the entire skit to be racist?

Or just the moment with Hillary?

[Matt_in_STL]

53. I don't think she said anything racist

DeBlasio did. I think it was incredibly poor judgment and was tone deaf in participating in something that should have been noted as obviously racist before she got involved.

[oberliner]

54. Did you watch the whole skit?

If so, did anything else hit your ears as being similarly tone deaf?

I am thinking of de Blasio rapping, for example.

[Matt_in_STL]

55. I did and I didn't find any of it particularly clever

And I can see it definitely being viewed as tone deaf throughout, especially culturally. The whole thing was incredibly misguided and should have been avoided by anyone, let alone those in political office or aspiring to one.

[KittyWampus]

34. You don't have to be a member of group to read what the members are discussing...

[merrily]

35. Where did I say otherwise and what is your reason for stating something that obvious?

And how would you know what I do or don't read on DU anyway?

So far, you've focused on attempted smears and false assumptions, while ignoring everything I've posted. Those are clear signals of a poster with no interest whatever in a good faith discussion. I am not interested in anything but a good faith discussion.

[KittyWampus]

38. As far what groups I post in, the answer is zero, except the Bernie Sanders Group. Not a single grou

My comment "You don't have to member of a group to read what is posted there".

Your comment "As far what groups I post in, the answer is zero, except the Bernie Sanders Group. Not a single group based on how I was born."

See, I'm actually interested in what people of other demographics think, so while I don't necessarily post in other groups, I do read what is posted on occasion.

But then, I'm interested in hearing different view points.

[merrily]

41. More attempted smears and more zero substance.

You totally missed my point about my not being in any group that relates to how I was born.

And again, you have no clue which demographics I am in and you don't seem to care. You'd rather assume whatever suits your narrative.

And again, tell me how you know which DU groups I read in, but don't post in.

While I am at it, kindly tell me why reading a DU group is the only way I can find out how people think. For example if I want to know what women think, I don't have to read in HOF.

Sorry, your entire way of posting to me shows you have zero desire to engage with me in any kind of good faith discussion. You want to assume negative things about me and then smear me with your assumptions.

Have a meta day.

[CalvinballPro]

48. deBlasio being married to a black woman hasn't stopped racism accusations...

So when there's parity there, I'll believe your premise. Until then, no dice.

[merrily]

56. IOW, you're another one who totally missed the point of the OP.

[COLGATE4]

52. Well, it does make him a little

less 'Jesus-like'.

[merrily]

57. Depends on which books you read and take to heart.

[COLGATE4]

61. I'm sure it does, Merrily. I'm sure it does.

[mhatrw]

58. Bill De Blasio gets to make fun of slow ass CP.

He married one!

[Vinca]

59. It won't.

Some of Hillary's supporters must see her as a very weak woman because every time someone looks at her cross-eyed they scream "sexism." I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm embarrassed for Hillary every time I see one of those charges. All I can figure is the post is from a person who has never seen or experienced bona fide sexism.