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FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:44 PM Apr 2016

Excuse me I'm ignorant - Never heard "CP Time" before - what circles uses that slur

Is it an East Coast thing

Rich New Yorker's thing

What - I'm honestly ignorant of this one.

It flowed so smoothly out of Bill de Blasio it made me feel it was used more in Wealthy Elitist circles or Washington political circles then any thing else. And yes I have seen the evolution of "Politically Corrected Racial Slurrs" for decades.

The "Wink Wink" nod nod language of bigoted privileged people using certain language to display their thinly veiled utter contempt for people of color is nothing new

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Excuse me I'm ignorant - Never heard "CP Time" before - what circles uses that slur (Original Post) FreakinDJ Apr 2016 OP
Do you have any black friends? I'm guessing not. nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #1
I'm Hispanic my wife is Asian FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #5
It seems to be an infrequently used term in the over-40 crowd, like other generational slang. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #59
the deep generational racists? Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #88
I have not met a person yet who has not made a racist joke at one time or another in their lives. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #109
And...? ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #80
A few of us have asked, I have never heard it and I have lived in a lot of places. braddy Apr 2016 #2
Black History Month: An Explanation of CP Time Human101948 Apr 2016 #79
''I got smart...'' -- Levi Walking Bear Octafish Apr 2016 #95
I had no idea what it meant. Thanks for telling us. Zira Apr 2016 #101
It's a general stereotype that is used... RepubliCON-Watch Apr 2016 #3
I've heard it a lot JackInGreen Apr 2016 #4
Need geographic location.... It may be a geographic thing.... 4139 Apr 2016 #7
I grew up in Oakland, Ca JackInGreen Apr 2016 #11
I work in Richmond and live in Sacramento FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #24
i could sworn she was red-baiting 2banon Apr 2016 #47
Did Hillary use this term? Zira Apr 2016 #102
come to think of it, it was de Blasio that uttered it on stage with her. 2banon Apr 2016 #110
And it is wrong for HRC to contiue a joke like that and laugh about it. Zira Apr 2016 #111
yep, and it would have been deserved too. But it's just an example of what Bernie would never ever 2banon Apr 2016 #112
+1 Zira Apr 2016 #113
I live in Oakland, Ca. I've never heard the code before. 2banon Apr 2016 #46
Also am White and never heard Blacks in my extended family say that phrase. JimDandy Apr 2016 #104
Me either apcalc Apr 2016 #6
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! mhatrw Apr 2016 #96
My brothers and sister use it all the time... one_voice Apr 2016 #8
They use the letters CP? braddy Apr 2016 #14
yes.. one_voice Apr 2016 #18
CPT is more common in my expereince- Colored People Time, meaning late, slow, shiftless, appalachiablue Apr 2016 #67
Thank you for explaining that. I had a bumfuzzled... now I get it. yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #82
For sure. And CPT is used some by black people with others and also by interracial couples appalachiablue Apr 2016 #85
I was wondering what the fuss was about. Tone deaf Hillary in action. yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #86
Tone deaf indeed and with her and Bill's background very careless and telling. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #87
interesting. 2banon Apr 2016 #48
The term, historically, use the "n" word, not "colored people"... Google "n****r time" CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #9
I haven't heard that one. Is that used in KKK circles? nt ecstatic Apr 2016 #15
I wouldn't know, I don't run with the KKK. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #21
read #8 840high Apr 2016 #28
Um, there's a big difference between "cp time" / cpt ecstatic Apr 2016 #41
Yeah, CP time is funny! mhatrw Apr 2016 #97
I've never heard that, personally. Recursion Apr 2016 #51
White racists might have used "n_ _ _ _ r time" but black people, no. brush Apr 2016 #64
I have lived in NYC all my life and have never heard it Reter Apr 2016 #10
CP time is sort of an inside joke that Black people us amounst each other to chide . . . brush Apr 2016 #20
It's insensitive at best, racist at worst, based upon the foot-shufflin' lazy stereotype of AA men. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #22
You're wrong. Not the same thing brush Apr 2016 #26
It's neither hers nor de Blasio's term to use, I don't care whom he married. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #33
You're obviously not African American brush Apr 2016 #35
Context matters. Chan790 Apr 2016 #58
I am bi-racial. TM99 Apr 2016 #61
Believe me, black people never used the term "n_ _ _ _ r time" brush Apr 2016 #63
So you lived where I did? TM99 Apr 2016 #93
I've lived in many parts of the country and CP time is used all over in black communities brush Apr 2016 #94
I feel very much like you. Puglover Apr 2016 #84
If Bernie had used that term with Killer Mike, Nina Turner or Symone Sanders it would be all over, appalachiablue Apr 2016 #90
I heard the expression among Black friends, but 20ish years ago. Schema Thing Apr 2016 #12
my neighbor used to say "CPT" or "CP time" often- about herself, almost 10 years ago..... bettyellen Apr 2016 #62
Yes, this! "CPT" was used often now that you mention it. Schema Thing Apr 2016 #115
Never heard of it. Even reading this thread I can't get my bearings on what is being discussed here. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #13
I never heard of it either, I never seen shows listed below BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #16
Never heard it. NT Adrahil Apr 2016 #17
Not familiar with the term, am familiar with the stereotype... Barack_America Apr 2016 #19
What did you think of his rapping? oberliner Apr 2016 #52
I suspect you aren't/weren't alone; but, hey ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #23
I had heard of it, but have never heard it used BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #25
Good explanation... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #30
Thanks BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #37
True.... AND... MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #42
The people in that audience sure smelled it BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #65
First heard it on TV, probably Red Foxx or maybe Cosby. dogman Apr 2016 #27
I've heard it used multiple times in my family, not really an outside the community term uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29
I've heard whites use it disparagingly in the Deep South kristopher Apr 2016 #92
At my school, we use the phrase 'CP Time' because it's the school initials, and all our petronius Apr 2016 #31
And nobody realized that it's an offensive racial slur? Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #68
It's a very insular term used in black communties KingFlorez Apr 2016 #32
my black friends call it 'black people time' and it's a compliment Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #34
Same with being on "island time". RiverLover Apr 2016 #36
Yep, "BPST" Myrina Apr 2016 #76
Occasionally, JPT is used in my family and they mean it. grossproffit Apr 2016 #38
It is used all over the world. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #40
I'm always on time or early. I think it's in my DNA. grossproffit Apr 2016 #43
Oh really... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #45
Indians usually say "IST" Recursion Apr 2016 #50
That's it. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #56
I never heard it either, but xloadiex Apr 2016 #39
It's clearly racist by todays standards. I expect Trump supporters to use it racistly. Zira Apr 2016 #106
seems to be OK among the upper crust oldandhappy Apr 2016 #44
Seriously? Recursion Apr 2016 #49
To answer your question: I've only ever heard black people use it Recursion Apr 2016 #53
exactly. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #55
That is what the joke was meant to play on oberliner Apr 2016 #57
It's fine to know that and... Chan790 Apr 2016 #71
What was it about the joke that you think went too far? oberliner Apr 2016 #72
Very broad, imo. elleng Apr 2016 #54
I have, from young AA activists actually nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #60
Blacks use it and it never has been a demeaning term to them. Within families it is often used to Jitter65 Apr 2016 #66
Yes, Clinton didn't make the joke. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #69
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! mhatrw Apr 2016 #98
Apparently it's a phrase that, if used by Bernie, would have been the slur du jour for a week. Vinca Apr 2016 #70
Hilary didn't use the phrase oberliner Apr 2016 #73
I've heard it .... Myrina Apr 2016 #74
Sounds like a fine example of "cultural appropriation" we've been hearing about. nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #75
New to me yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #77
Never heard of it before either apcalc Apr 2016 #81
I first heard it from a black female literacy student in KY. whatthehey Apr 2016 #78
I've heard black people say it gollygee Apr 2016 #83
And Hilary's "I've been there" was the icing on the cake. dinkytron Apr 2016 #89
I've heard it in the Deep South kristopher Apr 2016 #91
Yes. Believe it may have originated as a complaint about slowdowns... Orsino Apr 2016 #99
no, it just means that they don't show up on time. kwassa Apr 2016 #100
I'm glad you, as a white man, are comfortable with it! nt Romulox Apr 2016 #108
So, you have nothing substantive? kwassa Apr 2016 #114
I've heard it in the midwest Cal Carpenter Apr 2016 #103
I've heard it Funtatlaguy Apr 2016 #105
It's common in Detroit. nt Romulox Apr 2016 #107
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
5. I'm Hispanic my wife is Asian
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016

they have different terms for us

But I can make a phone call if your as ignorant as me

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
59. It seems to be an infrequently used term in the over-40 crowd, like other generational slang.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:48 AM
Apr 2016

.

I recognized and decoded the term as soon as I saw it written in a post.

.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
109. I have not met a person yet who has not made a racist joke at one time or another in their lives.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

.


Even the most pious and politically correct person bends from time to time.


A person who says they never tell or would tell racist jokes are the same ones who say they've never masturbated.


.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
79. Black History Month: An Explanation of CP Time
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016
Also known as “colored people’s time,” CP Time is an inside reference within the black community on the tendency of black folk to show up late for just about anything. Other ethnic groups have their own versions. I’ve heard of “India Standard Time” as well as the the more specific “Africa Time.” I imagine White People Time is when one shows up early and reserves the most precious resources for oneself. I kid, people. I kid.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/baratunde-thurston/black-history-month-an-ex_b_472959.html


The article contains references to other sources for further study

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
95. ''I got smart...'' -- Levi Walking Bear
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:26 PM
Apr 2016

"I've learned to live in the white man's world and do what they do."



"Grab all you can, anytime you can."

-- Howard Keel as Levi Walking Bear, stealing a scene in The War Wagon

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
4. I've heard it a lot
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:48 PM
Apr 2016

Almost never 'cp time' but 'n-time' , and never from white people unless they grew up with AA family or community around them.

4139

(1,893 posts)
7. Need geographic location.... It may be a geographic thing....
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

I've lived in New England, Colorado, DC/MD/vA and have never heard it... Age 61

Edit/addendum: it would apply to everyone in New Orleans...

JackInGreen

(2,975 posts)
11. I grew up in Oakland, Ca
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

But I've heard it in FL, IL, NO, etc. Almost entirely out of direct or extended family (I'm a white boy, some of my family and many family friends arent).

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
24. I work in Richmond and live in Sacramento
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

But I've worked and traveled all through the Deep South

Start talking shit in Oakland or Richmond and folks be up in a grill in a New York second

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
102. Did Hillary use this term?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

I heard it a few days ago on DU but didn't know what it meant until this thread.

I'm from Seattle and it is not a common term here.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
110. come to think of it, it was de Blasio that uttered it on stage with her.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

she laughed and joshed. right.

it turns out my take on this was totally wrong, I hadn't heard the term before either, and so my reference to the initials "CP" was communist party. Colored People never entered my mind. But after reading a bunch of du posts over in gdp clearly, the reference was Colored People, not Communist Party.

In either case, it was rather stupid remark for any politician to say the least, regardless if it was intended to be part of an SNL script. Falls completely flat. Big Fail. .

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
111. And it is wrong for HRC to contiue a joke like that and laugh about it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie would be attacked badly for it if he stood there and someone said it, and he laughed.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
112. yep, and it would have been deserved too. But it's just an example of what Bernie would never ever
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

THINK, much less say.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
46. I live in Oakland, Ca. I've never heard the code before.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

guess I don't hang with pols who use it in certain circles i suppose, it's certainly a new one to me.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
104. Also am White and never heard Blacks in my extended family say that phrase.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:19 PM
Apr 2016

Googled it and immeditately got shown some really swampy results.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
6. Me either
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:51 PM
Apr 2016

Don't know the expression...even after some on this thread explained it, I don't see racist in the skit. Guess you have had to use the phrase or heard people use it. Maybe it's a New York thing, a New York meaning of CP.
Anyway, I see nothing offensive or funny for that matter. Just boring. Meh.

Seems like people want to make something of nothing.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
8. My brothers and sister use it all the time...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

they're black--we'll my sister is bi-racial. My dad uses it too. Definitely not privileged..very far from it.

Almost all my AA friends use it. The interracial couples I know use it. Both the white half and the black half of the couple.

My family and all my friends are all inter-racial. I have very few friends that are married to the same race. If I told you some of the things they said, it would be hidden.

^^^^ that's not excusing or condemning what was said. just my experience with the it.


edited to add: I'm in Delaware.

edit to be clear: they would say: you runnin' on cpt. yes they say that.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
67. CPT is more common in my expereince- Colored People Time, meaning late, slow, shiftless,
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

not responsible. An older pejorative used only by black people who are clearly close, not with others. To put it bluntly if a white person was stupid enough to say that to or about a black person they didn't know very, very well, the day wouldn't be a good one.

.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
85. For sure. And CPT is used some by black people with others and also by interracial couples
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:26 AM
Apr 2016

and families and their friends as noted in #8. Similar to the way people use pejoratives or groups utilize dicey terms within their own and very close ones-- like 'Bama, meaning 'country' and for Alabama; field hand to disparage country blacks; redneck, hillbilliy, trailer trash among and to rural/country whites; Oakie; Sand/Camel Jockey by and about Middle Eastern people, Frogs for the French and so on.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
48. interesting.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:53 AM
Apr 2016


edit to be clear: they would say: you runnin' on cpt. yes they say that.


interesting. I wonder why.
 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
9. The term, historically, use the "n" word, not "colored people"... Google "n****r time"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:53 PM
Apr 2016

Here's a sample, but not from as far back as I suspect could be found.

I think it has to be over 100 years and possibly 200 years old.

https://blogs.stockton.edu/impressive/2014/04/05/nigger-time-comment-from-fellow-senator-to-maurice-brandon/

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
21. I wouldn't know, I don't run with the KKK.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:04 PM
Apr 2016

But there are plenty of non-KKK people who use such terms and phrases, probably more than we want to believe.

Sad.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
41. Um, there's a big difference between "cp time" / cpt
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

And "n****r time." I have not heard the latter phrase used nor would I be cool with it. Either way, I think it's time to move on from this nontroversy.

brush

(53,788 posts)
64. White racists might have used "n_ _ _ _ r time" but black people, no.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:24 AM
Apr 2016

"CP time" is an inside joke used by black people to chide someone to be on time.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
10. I have lived in NYC all my life and have never heard it
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

I'm going to have to search, unless someone here wants to explain it. I'm lucky I know what military time is, let along CP.

brush

(53,788 posts)
20. CP time is sort of an inside joke that Black people us amounst each other to chide . . .
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

someone not to use CP time (colored peoples' time) when they are supposed to be somewhere on time.

It's not really a slur, it just means to be on time.

It's kind of old. You don't here it used too much anymore.

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
22. It's insensitive at best, racist at worst, based upon the foot-shufflin' lazy stereotype of AA men.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

brush

(53,788 posts)
26. You're wrong. Not the same thing
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:13 PM
Apr 2016

Like I said in post 20, it's an inside joke among black folks that jokingly chides someone to be on time.

Nothing to do with foot-shufflin' anything. It wasn't an insult or a slur.

it's outdated and not used much anymore as we move farther and farther away from the term "colored people".

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
33. It's neither hers nor de Blasio's term to use, I don't care whom he married.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

Where I grew up there were a lot of farmworkers and there were similar insults.

A Google search for the term using the n work bore results that support use of n time by white assholes, like "Jim runs on n-time".

I suppose colored people time may have become a variant, tongue in cheek, but that really doesn't make it any less awful that it was used in a skit that included a privileged women who ought to know better.

Just my two cents.

brush

(53,788 posts)
35. You're obviously not African American
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:22 PM
Apr 2016

CP time was not a slur or an insult to us.

It's hardly used anymore.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
58. Context matters.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:23 AM
Apr 2016

I've heard it before.

Much like other phrases, my experience working on civil rights/racial justice issues encountering it has been "white people can't use that word (or phrase)"

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
61. I am bi-racial.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:57 AM
Apr 2016

I know the phrase. And 'colored person' time is sanitized. It was always 'nigger time' when I was growing up.

And if white teens had called me 'nigger' or used that phrase like my black cousins had, it would have been racist or at best incredibly inappropriate and insensitive.

That so many, including other minorities, are justifying it simply tells us the level of hypocrisy that most Clinton supporters carry. They would be throwing a holy fucking shit fit if it Sanders had said to Killer Mike if asked why he was late that he was on 'colored person time'.

brush

(53,788 posts)
63. Believe me, black people never used the term "n_ _ _ _ r time"
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:08 AM
Apr 2016

That must have been from the white side of your family.

Notice I didn't even use the racist N-word like you did.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
93. So you lived where I did?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

You are from the same generation as me?

And apparently you also speak for all PoC?

No, you do not. And I don't need to mince words talking about what I and others have experienced.

brush

(53,788 posts)
94. I've lived in many parts of the country and CP time is used all over in black communities
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

"N_ _ _ _ r time" never by black people.

And CP time is old and hardly used anymore.

Check out this link to the AA forum if you think I'm trying to speak for all POCs.

You'll get perspectives from other African Americans. "N_ _ _ _ r time" is never mentioned as it's straight up racist.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
84. I feel very much like you.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:16 AM
Apr 2016

I am not sure how to feel about Di Blasio and frankly don´t care about him.

However the hypocrisy that Camp Hillary is exhibiting here is gobsmacking.

Although I stopped taking their baloney seriously months ago, around the time their little offsite cesspool was founded this just cements my feelings.

And if Bernie had done this I would be disappointed and very embarrassed.

appalachiablue

(41,146 posts)
90. If Bernie had used that term with Killer Mike, Nina Turner or Symone Sanders it would be all over,
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

particularly the NY Daily News. But there's no way Bernie would ever do that. On this subject, I remember the OP and comments here after Chris Cuomo said to Bernie at a CNN Town Hall at the start of the break, 'Here, have some water. It's FREE." Meaning, he's a "cheap Jew, or a soshialist state funded devotee" or what? So ugly and insulting yet nothing, nothing was ever raised about it by M$M.

Hope I never hear some corporate media clown slip and say when Bernie has raised more funds from supporters that "he put on his Jew shoes", shudder to say. The newer, supposed 'hip, cute and funny' use of well known disparaging and racist terms is very disturbing to put it mildly.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
12. I heard the expression among Black friends, but 20ish years ago.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
Apr 2016

Definitely wasn't a slur, they were noticing/commenting on what they perceived as a cultural difference between themselves and the White community. Kind of like "Island time" if you will.

That said, it's pretty damn tone deaf to say it *at* a group, especially in 2016. "Colored" in any context is out of use by decades now, and while I have Black friends I could joke *with* about it, I would never joke *at* a group of strangers using the expression.


edited to add, after reading above: this was just my experience, if it has a long and more sordid history, I didn't know about it but it wouldn't surprise me. Also, my experience is in a big city in the south.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
62. my neighbor used to say "CPT" or "CP time" often- about herself, almost 10 years ago.....
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:06 AM
Apr 2016

and she worked in finance and grew up near Princeton, fairly middle class. she was horrible about showing up very late (or not at all) almost all the time, so I heard it frequently. Can;t remember if I ever heard it elsewhere.

BlueStateLib

(937 posts)
16. I never heard of it either, I never seen shows listed below
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016
The phrase or initialism has been referenced numerous times in various types of media, including the films Bamboozled, Undercover Brother, Let's Do It Again, House Party and several television series: The Mindy Project, Prison Break, The Boondocks, The Wire, Weeds, Where My Dogs At?, Reno 911, 30 Rock, Everybody Hates Chris, The PJs, Bridezillas, Mad TV and Cedric the Entertainer Presents, Empire, and reality series The Real Housewives of Atlanta. In the Black Jeopardy sketch aired during the March 29, 2014 episode of Saturday Night Live, host Alex Treblack (Kenan Thompson) says upon the sound of the final bell, "As usual, we started late."

There was also a 1960s public interest program produced by Detroit Public Television with the name Colored People's Time, as well as a 1980s play written by Leslie Lee which consisted of 13 vignettes of African American history from the Civil War through the Montgomery bus riots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_People%27s_Time

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
19. Not familiar with the term, am familiar with the stereotype...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

...incredulous that two white politicians would joke about it.

I don't care if your wife is Black, or you're married to 'the first Black president'...this stereotype does not belong to you, and you shouldn't fucking joke about it.

It's just ugly. And the back-pedaling that "CP time" actually means "cautious politician time"? Insulting and pathetic.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
25. I had heard of it, but have never heard it used
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:11 PM
Apr 2016

It strikes me as the kind of thing some black people who know each other VERY well might use with each other as a joke. Or maybe a comedian could get away with it, like the way a black comedian like Chris Rock can use the n word in front of mixed audiences and have everybody roaring with laughter.

I think it was highly presumptuous of de Blasio and Hillary to use a term that some blacks might use among themselves, as if they are part of the group. That's sort of Hillary's M.O., the fake I'm one of you, whether it's bankers or celebrities or union workers or a minority group that she's talking to. I understand de Blasio's wife is black, so maybe that's why he and Hillary thought they could get away with it. But the crowd reaction said it was not well received. Maybe Bill's rant to the BLM protestor last week heightened the sensitivity of the audience to the Clintons.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
30. Good explanation...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

... that's pretty good reasoning as to why they'd think it would go over well,too. It didn't.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
37. Thanks
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

I just thought of terms I've heard for it, either excessive familiarity or implied familiarity, when somebody oversteps a social boundary, kind of gets into your personal space and implies that they are a lot closer to you than they really are. Salespeople (particularly men) do it a lot and a lot of politicians do as well.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
65. The people in that audience sure smelled it
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:48 AM
Apr 2016

It's another example of Hillary being tone deaf and having poor judgment. She should have looked at that gag and said no, I'm not doing that.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
31. At my school, we use the phrase 'CP Time' because it's the school initials, and all our
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:17 PM
Apr 2016

classes start 10 minutes after the hour. So a "10 am" appointment, for example, can be normal time, or CP time (10:10). Had never heard another meaning, but I guess now I'll consider where I use the phrase...

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
34. my black friends call it 'black people time' and it's a compliment
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:20 PM
Apr 2016

As in 'time is an artificial construct forced on us by the white man'
We're all left coast hippies so we can roll with that

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
36. Same with being on "island time".
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:24 PM
Apr 2016

When I lived on an island. People were always late bc of "island time" but they drove like maniacs. Seemed contradictory.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
38. Occasionally, JPT is used in my family and they mean it.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:27 PM
Apr 2016

JPT = Japanese people time. Come early or don't come at all.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
40. It is used all over the world.
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

I know tons of Africans and Indians that use it. I have heard other derivations of it, and like other posters have said it is in many movies too. Actually my Filipino friends may have used something to the same effect once in a while. I don't use it, I am just always late.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
45. Oh really...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

You know what I call it time show-boating to make us late people feel like it is our fault everyone is sitting in the restaurant hungry and annoyed that they had to wait for us temporally challenged folk to arrive. Plus what I lose in time I make up in gravity...ah failed physics joke.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
56. That's it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:17 AM
Apr 2016

I had been a bit since I heard it used, like I said I am usually the late one so it is most often my more dark complected extended family accusing me of being on cpt.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
39. I never heard it either, but
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Apr 2016

thanks to de Blasio and Hillary, now I know. Since they brought it to the national spotlight, I'm sure it won't be the last time I hear it from those who now think it's "just a joke."

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
106. It's clearly racist by todays standards. I expect Trump supporters to use it racistly.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

I hope to stop hearing it.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
49. Seriously?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

I heard it daily in DC. My wife's family also talks about "Indian Standard Time", which is a similar concept.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
53. To answer your question: I've only ever heard black people use it
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:05 AM
Apr 2016

And it struck me as the kind of joke a white comedian would know not to use...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
57. That is what the joke was meant to play on
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016

The humor of the joke is that it seems like he is saying something that would be offensive but he actually means something innocuous. If you watch the entire skit, you will see that before Hillary's cameo, DeBlasio is instructed by a cast member from Hamilton to tout himself in a "hip-hop" style (a la the musical). He then proceeds to rap about how great he is and then introduces Hillary whom he refers to as his "homegirl". The whole thing is meant to be ridiculous, and it is indeed painful to watch him try to rap.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
71. It's fine to know that and...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:22 AM
Apr 2016

to still think they went too far and it was still inappropriate.

This kind of humor is risky. It's possible to be involved in this kind of joke/skit and to start well within the bounds of the atmosphere of the event...and to inadvertently take it too far, more-so for an outsider to a community.

As a parallel example of this, when I was in college, I was in a fraternity...and being that fraternities are juvenile, we had a habit of "I fucked your mom" jokes. They were tasteless, they were crass...and nobody took them seriously, often resulting in retorts that were easily as tacky like "You sure did!" or "Turned her out like a rented sheep, did you?" Well, one day, we had visitors from another chapter and we fell into these kinds of jokes and we were all and Chris, from the visiting chapter, saw Tim who had been hiding in his room for hours come down stairs on his way to the kitchen to get food...and decided to get in on the act: "Hey Tim, I fucked your mom, I fucked your sister, I fucked your aunt, hell, I fucked your whole damned family!" laughing. It was instant, it was sea-change, you could hear the air leave the room--nothing was about to be okay for a very long time...what Chris didn't know was that Tim was hiding because Tim wasn't feeling real social and he wasn't feeling real social because 4 days earlier we'd been burying his sister who died at age 20 in her sleep of complications of cystic fibrosis. It was a line that none of us would have crossed because we knew there was a sore spot there...and Chris as an outsider did not. Even if one of us had cracked that joke, it would have gotten a different response precisely because we'd been through that tragedy as part of the community and Chris had not.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
72. What was it about the joke that you think went too far?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:25 AM
Apr 2016

Just the fact that the acronym CPT was utilized at all?

Also, out of curiosity, have you watched the whole skit? It seems like there were other things that were way more inappropriate than that (such as de Blasio rapping and calling Hillary his "homegirl&quot .

elleng

(130,974 posts)
54. Very broad, imo.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:07 AM
Apr 2016

I learned it when I lived in Chicago 35+ years ago. NOT wealthy/elitist at all. I learned it from my 'C' friends.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
60. I have, from young AA activists actually
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:53 AM
Apr 2016

It is gotten to the point that things that I used to think were insulting, at times I just ask people from a different life experience, in private usually, to explain it. My horizons have been greatly expanded.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
66. Blacks use it and it never has been a demeaning term to them. Within families it is often used to
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

describe folks who always come to events late. It doesn't bother and never has bothered any black people that I know of in or outside my family until some want to attack Hillary for being present when it was said by the Mayor. Hillary didn't use the phrase yet the paper are printing that Hillary made a racial joke...

It is really disgusting how the media treats Hillary and how Bernie supporters are so dishonest about it.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
69. Yes, Clinton didn't make the joke.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

But she participated in the scripted skit.

There is a difference, depending on the meaning of "is".

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
70. Apparently it's a phrase that, if used by Bernie, would have been the slur du jour for a week.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary gets a pass because . . . well, just because.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
73. Hilary didn't use the phrase
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:30 AM
Apr 2016

If she did use it with its intended meaning she would be rightfully criticized. But de Blasio used it in a comedy skit with the punch line being that the acronym stood for something else. In the context of a spoof of the musical Hamilton, feasting one of the actors from that show.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
74. I've heard it ....
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016

I'm in the Midwest and have lived in ... uuhhhhh .... "urban culture" since the mid 80's ... although the people I know (both African American and Caucasian) call it "BPST".

It wasn't meant to be racist or insulting, just an inside joke among our friends - of both races - who aren't usually prompt.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
83. I've heard black people say it
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:09 AM
Apr 2016

Like if you're getting together with someone and they're late, they might say, "Sorry, I was running on CPT" or something along those lines.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
91. I've heard it in the Deep South
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

It implies "lazy blacks" and I assume it has its roots all the way back to the era of slavery.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
99. Yes. Believe it may have originated as a complaint about slowdowns...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

...by people working for free or later, for pittance wages.

Its use can be very racially charged. As an unfunny joke by white politicians, it probably can't help but look oblivious, at best. Context is all.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
100. no, it just means that they don't show up on time.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

I've never heard it to imply laziness, and I've only heard it from black people.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
103. I've heard it in the midwest
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

Said by 2 different people (once by an elderly black woman, more than once by a 40-ish black woman - both of whom I am quite close to) in reference to themselves.

Very different context than having white elites say it, imho. I've never heard it used by white people before.

Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
105. I've heard it
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

One time, I asked a friend of mine why she is always late.
She then laughed and told me that she runs in c.p. Time.
She then told me what it means.
She said it's something that blacks say to each other but not to whites.

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