2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumExcuse me I'm ignorant - Never heard "CP Time" before - what circles uses that slur
Is it an East Coast thing
Rich New Yorker's thing
What - I'm honestly ignorant of this one.
It flowed so smoothly out of Bill de Blasio it made me feel it was used more in Wealthy Elitist circles or Washington political circles then any thing else. And yes I have seen the evolution of "Politically Corrected Racial Slurrs" for decades.
The "Wink Wink" nod nod language of bigoted privileged people using certain language to display their thinly veiled utter contempt for people of color is nothing new
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)they have different terms for us
But I can make a phone call if your as ignorant as me
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
I recognized and decoded the term as soon as I saw it written in a post.
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Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Even the most pious and politically correct person bends from time to time.
A person who says they never tell or would tell racist jokes are the same ones who say they've never masturbated.
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ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)What did you mean by that?
braddy
(3,585 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)Also known as colored peoples time, CP Time is an inside reference within the black community on the tendency of black folk to show up late for just about anything. Other ethnic groups have their own versions. Ive heard of India Standard Time as well as the the more specific Africa Time. I imagine White People Time is when one shows up early and reserves the most precious resources for oneself. I kid, people. I kid.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/baratunde-thurston/black-history-month-an-ex_b_472959.html
The article contains references to other sources for further study
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"I've learned to live in the white man's world and do what they do."
"Grab all you can, anytime you can."
-- Howard Keel as Levi Walking Bear, stealing a scene in The War Wagon
Zira
(1,054 posts)And, it's appalling.
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)to suggest that black folks are always late/s-l-o-w
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Almost never 'cp time' but 'n-time' , and never from white people unless they grew up with AA family or community around them.
4139
(1,893 posts)I've lived in New England, Colorado, DC/MD/vA and have never heard it... Age 61
Edit/addendum: it would apply to everyone in New Orleans...
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)But I've heard it in FL, IL, NO, etc. Almost entirely out of direct or extended family (I'm a white boy, some of my family and many family friends arent).
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)But I've worked and traveled all through the Deep South
Start talking shit in Oakland or Richmond and folks be up in a grill in a New York second
2banon
(7,321 posts)that was my first hit.
Zira
(1,054 posts)I heard it a few days ago on DU but didn't know what it meant until this thread.
I'm from Seattle and it is not a common term here.
2banon
(7,321 posts)she laughed and joshed. right.
it turns out my take on this was totally wrong, I hadn't heard the term before either, and so my reference to the initials "CP" was communist party. Colored People never entered my mind. But after reading a bunch of du posts over in gdp clearly, the reference was Colored People, not Communist Party.
In either case, it was rather stupid remark for any politician to say the least, regardless if it was intended to be part of an SNL script. Falls completely flat. Big Fail. .
Zira
(1,054 posts)Bernie would be attacked badly for it if he stood there and someone said it, and he laughed.
2banon
(7,321 posts)THINK, much less say.
2banon
(7,321 posts)guess I don't hang with pols who use it in certain circles i suppose, it's certainly a new one to me.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Googled it and immeditately got shown some really swampy results.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Don't know the expression...even after some on this thread explained it, I don't see racist in the skit. Guess you have had to use the phrase or heard people use it. Maybe it's a New York thing, a New York meaning of CP.
Anyway, I see nothing offensive or funny for that matter. Just boring. Meh.
Seems like people want to make something of nothing.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)they're black--we'll my sister is bi-racial. My dad uses it too. Definitely not privileged..very far from it.
Almost all my AA friends use it. The interracial couples I know use it. Both the white half and the black half of the couple.
My family and all my friends are all inter-racial. I have very few friends that are married to the same race. If I told you some of the things they said, it would be hidden.
^^^^ that's not excusing or condemning what was said. just my experience with the it.
edited to add: I'm in Delaware.
edit to be clear: they would say: you runnin' on cpt. yes they say that.
braddy
(3,585 posts)cpt.
I updated my comment.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)not responsible. An older pejorative used only by black people who are clearly close, not with others. To put it bluntly if a white person was stupid enough to say that to or about a black person they didn't know very, very well, the day wouldn't be a good one.
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yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)and families and their friends as noted in #8. Similar to the way people use pejoratives or groups utilize dicey terms within their own and very close ones-- like 'Bama, meaning 'country' and for Alabama; field hand to disparage country blacks; redneck, hillbilliy, trailer trash among and to rural/country whites; Oakie; Sand/Camel Jockey by and about Middle Eastern people, Frogs for the French and so on.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)interesting. I wonder why.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Here's a sample, but not from as far back as I suspect could be found.
I think it has to be over 100 years and possibly 200 years old.
https://blogs.stockton.edu/impressive/2014/04/05/nigger-time-comment-from-fellow-senator-to-maurice-brandon/
ecstatic
(32,712 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)But there are plenty of non-KKK people who use such terms and phrases, probably more than we want to believe.
Sad.
840high
(17,196 posts)ecstatic
(32,712 posts)And "n****r time." I have not heard the latter phrase used nor would I be cool with it. Either way, I think it's time to move on from this nontroversy.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)This version I've heard for years and years.
brush
(53,788 posts)"CP time" is an inside joke used by black people to chide someone to be on time.
Reter
(2,188 posts)I'm going to have to search, unless someone here wants to explain it. I'm lucky I know what military time is, let along CP.
brush
(53,788 posts)someone not to use CP time (colored peoples' time) when they are supposed to be somewhere on time.
It's not really a slur, it just means to be on time.
It's kind of old. You don't here it used too much anymore.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)brush
(53,788 posts)Like I said in post 20, it's an inside joke among black folks that jokingly chides someone to be on time.
Nothing to do with foot-shufflin' anything. It wasn't an insult or a slur.
it's outdated and not used much anymore as we move farther and farther away from the term "colored people".
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Where I grew up there were a lot of farmworkers and there were similar insults.
A Google search for the term using the n work bore results that support use of n time by white assholes, like "Jim runs on n-time".
I suppose colored people time may have become a variant, tongue in cheek, but that really doesn't make it any less awful that it was used in a skit that included a privileged women who ought to know better.
Just my two cents.
brush
(53,788 posts)CP time was not a slur or an insult to us.
It's hardly used anymore.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)I've heard it before.
Much like other phrases, my experience working on civil rights/racial justice issues encountering it has been "white people can't use that word (or phrase)"
TM99
(8,352 posts)I know the phrase. And 'colored person' time is sanitized. It was always 'nigger time' when I was growing up.
And if white teens had called me 'nigger' or used that phrase like my black cousins had, it would have been racist or at best incredibly inappropriate and insensitive.
That so many, including other minorities, are justifying it simply tells us the level of hypocrisy that most Clinton supporters carry. They would be throwing a holy fucking shit fit if it Sanders had said to Killer Mike if asked why he was late that he was on 'colored person time'.
brush
(53,788 posts)That must have been from the white side of your family.
Notice I didn't even use the racist N-word like you did.
TM99
(8,352 posts)You are from the same generation as me?
And apparently you also speak for all PoC?
No, you do not. And I don't need to mince words talking about what I and others have experienced.
brush
(53,788 posts)"N_ _ _ _ r time" never by black people.
And CP time is old and hardly used anymore.
Check out this link to the AA forum if you think I'm trying to speak for all POCs.
You'll get perspectives from other African Americans. "N_ _ _ _ r time" is never mentioned as it's straight up racist.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)I am not sure how to feel about Di Blasio and frankly don´t care about him.
However the hypocrisy that Camp Hillary is exhibiting here is gobsmacking.
Although I stopped taking their baloney seriously months ago, around the time their little offsite cesspool was founded this just cements my feelings.
And if Bernie had done this I would be disappointed and very embarrassed.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)particularly the NY Daily News. But there's no way Bernie would ever do that. On this subject, I remember the OP and comments here after Chris Cuomo said to Bernie at a CNN Town Hall at the start of the break, 'Here, have some water. It's FREE." Meaning, he's a "cheap Jew, or a soshialist state funded devotee" or what? So ugly and insulting yet nothing, nothing was ever raised about it by M$M.
Hope I never hear some corporate media clown slip and say when Bernie has raised more funds from supporters that "he put on his Jew shoes", shudder to say. The newer, supposed 'hip, cute and funny' use of well known disparaging and racist terms is very disturbing to put it mildly.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Definitely wasn't a slur, they were noticing/commenting on what they perceived as a cultural difference between themselves and the White community. Kind of like "Island time" if you will.
That said, it's pretty damn tone deaf to say it *at* a group, especially in 2016. "Colored" in any context is out of use by decades now, and while I have Black friends I could joke *with* about it, I would never joke *at* a group of strangers using the expression.
edited to add, after reading above: this was just my experience, if it has a long and more sordid history, I didn't know about it but it wouldn't surprise me. Also, my experience is in a big city in the south.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and she worked in finance and grew up near Princeton, fairly middle class. she was horrible about showing up very late (or not at all) almost all the time, so I heard it frequently. Can;t remember if I ever heard it elsewhere.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)There was also a 1960s public interest program produced by Detroit Public Television with the name Colored People's Time, as well as a 1980s play written by Leslie Lee which consisted of 13 vignettes of African American history from the Civil War through the Montgomery bus riots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colored_People%27s_Time
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)...incredulous that two white politicians would joke about it.
I don't care if your wife is Black, or you're married to 'the first Black president'...this stereotype does not belong to you, and you shouldn't fucking joke about it.
It's just ugly. And the back-pedaling that "CP time" actually means "cautious politician time"? Insulting and pathetic.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And calling Hillary his "homegirl" ?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)It strikes me as the kind of thing some black people who know each other VERY well might use with each other as a joke. Or maybe a comedian could get away with it, like the way a black comedian like Chris Rock can use the n word in front of mixed audiences and have everybody roaring with laughter.
I think it was highly presumptuous of de Blasio and Hillary to use a term that some blacks might use among themselves, as if they are part of the group. That's sort of Hillary's M.O., the fake I'm one of you, whether it's bankers or celebrities or union workers or a minority group that she's talking to. I understand de Blasio's wife is black, so maybe that's why he and Hillary thought they could get away with it. But the crowd reaction said it was not well received. Maybe Bill's rant to the BLM protestor last week heightened the sensitivity of the audience to the Clintons.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... that's pretty good reasoning as to why they'd think it would go over well,too. It didn't.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I just thought of terms I've heard for it, either excessive familiarity or implied familiarity, when somebody oversteps a social boundary, kind of gets into your personal space and implies that they are a lot closer to you than they really are. Salespeople (particularly men) do it a lot and a lot of politicians do as well.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)... I think people can smell it a mile away!
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)It's another example of Hillary being tone deaf and having poor judgment. She should have looked at that gag and said no, I'm not doing that.
dogman
(6,073 posts)60s or 70s
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)petronius
(26,602 posts)classes start 10 minutes after the hour. So a "10 am" appointment, for example, can be normal time, or CP time (10:10). Had never heard another meaning, but I guess now I'll consider where I use the phrase...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Time to change that terminology, perhaps?
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Outside of there it's not particular known.
Viva_La_Revolution
(28,791 posts)As in 'time is an artificial construct forced on us by the white man'
We're all left coast hippies so we can roll with that
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)When I lived on an island. People were always late bc of "island time" but they drove like maniacs. Seemed contradictory.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)in urban Indiana ...
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)JPT = Japanese people time. Come early or don't come at all.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)I know tons of Africans and Indians that use it. I have heard other derivations of it, and like other posters have said it is in many movies too. Actually my Filipino friends may have used something to the same effect once in a while. I don't use it, I am just always late.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)You know what I call it time show-boating to make us late people feel like it is our fault everyone is sitting in the restaurant hungry and annoyed that they had to wait for us temporally challenged folk to arrive. Plus what I lose in time I make up in gravity...ah failed physics joke.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)"Indian Standard Time"
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)I had been a bit since I heard it used, like I said I am usually the late one so it is most often my more dark complected extended family accusing me of being on cpt.
xloadiex
(628 posts)thanks to de Blasio and Hillary, now I know. Since they brought it to the national spotlight, I'm sure it won't be the last time I hear it from those who now think it's "just a joke."
Zira
(1,054 posts)I hope to stop hearing it.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)I heard it daily in DC. My wife's family also talks about "Indian Standard Time", which is a similar concept.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And it struck me as the kind of joke a white comedian would know not to use...
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The humor of the joke is that it seems like he is saying something that would be offensive but he actually means something innocuous. If you watch the entire skit, you will see that before Hillary's cameo, DeBlasio is instructed by a cast member from Hamilton to tout himself in a "hip-hop" style (a la the musical). He then proceeds to rap about how great he is and then introduces Hillary whom he refers to as his "homegirl". The whole thing is meant to be ridiculous, and it is indeed painful to watch him try to rap.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)to still think they went too far and it was still inappropriate.
This kind of humor is risky. It's possible to be involved in this kind of joke/skit and to start well within the bounds of the atmosphere of the event...and to inadvertently take it too far, more-so for an outsider to a community.
As a parallel example of this, when I was in college, I was in a fraternity...and being that fraternities are juvenile, we had a habit of "I fucked your mom" jokes. They were tasteless, they were crass...and nobody took them seriously, often resulting in retorts that were easily as tacky like "You sure did!" or "Turned her out like a rented sheep, did you?" Well, one day, we had visitors from another chapter and we fell into these kinds of jokes and we were all and Chris, from the visiting chapter, saw Tim who had been hiding in his room for hours come down stairs on his way to the kitchen to get food...and decided to get in on the act: "Hey Tim, I fucked your mom, I fucked your sister, I fucked your aunt, hell, I fucked your whole damned family!" laughing. It was instant, it was sea-change, you could hear the air leave the room--nothing was about to be okay for a very long time...what Chris didn't know was that Tim was hiding because Tim wasn't feeling real social and he wasn't feeling real social because 4 days earlier we'd been burying his sister who died at age 20 in her sleep of complications of cystic fibrosis. It was a line that none of us would have crossed because we knew there was a sore spot there...and Chris as an outsider did not. Even if one of us had cracked that joke, it would have gotten a different response precisely because we'd been through that tragedy as part of the community and Chris had not.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Just the fact that the acronym CPT was utilized at all?
Also, out of curiosity, have you watched the whole skit? It seems like there were other things that were way more inappropriate than that (such as de Blasio rapping and calling Hillary his "homegirl" .
elleng
(130,974 posts)I learned it when I lived in Chicago 35+ years ago. NOT wealthy/elitist at all. I learned it from my 'C' friends.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is gotten to the point that things that I used to think were insulting, at times I just ask people from a different life experience, in private usually, to explain it. My horizons have been greatly expanded.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)describe folks who always come to events late. It doesn't bother and never has bothered any black people that I know of in or outside my family until some want to attack Hillary for being present when it was said by the Mayor. Hillary didn't use the phrase yet the paper are printing that Hillary made a racial joke...
It is really disgusting how the media treats Hillary and how Bernie supporters are so dishonest about it.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,350 posts)But she participated in the scripted skit.
There is a difference, depending on the meaning of "is".
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Hillary gets a pass because . . . well, just because.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)If she did use it with its intended meaning she would be rightfully criticized. But de Blasio used it in a comedy skit with the punch line being that the acronym stood for something else. In the context of a spoof of the musical Hamilton, feasting one of the actors from that show.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)I'm in the Midwest and have lived in ... uuhhhhh .... "urban culture" since the mid 80's ... although the people I know (both African American and Caucasian) call it "BPST".
It wasn't meant to be racist or insulting, just an inside joke among our friends - of both races - who aren't usually prompt.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)I have been all over, never heard it nor seen it in print.
apcalc
(4,465 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Like if you're getting together with someone and they're late, they might say, "Sorry, I was running on CPT" or something along those lines.
dinkytron
(568 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)It implies "lazy blacks" and I assume it has its roots all the way back to the era of slavery.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...by people working for free or later, for pittance wages.
Its use can be very racially charged. As an unfunny joke by white politicians, it probably can't help but look oblivious, at best. Context is all.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I've never heard it to imply laziness, and I've only heard it from black people.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Said by 2 different people (once by an elderly black woman, more than once by a 40-ish black woman - both of whom I am quite close to) in reference to themselves.
Very different context than having white elites say it, imho. I've never heard it used by white people before.
Funtatlaguy
(10,879 posts)One time, I asked a friend of mine why she is always late.
She then laughed and told me that she runs in c.p. Time.
She then told me what it means.
She said it's something that blacks say to each other but not to whites.