Jane Sanders for Bernie Sanders on Chris Hayes Live Full MSNBC 4/11/2016

[NWCorona]

[MrMickeysMom]

1. Well done, Jane...

Pretty much answered all HIS questions, I'd say, and as usual, with grace and professionalism.

[realmirage]

2. I like Bernie, but this doesn't sit well

When asked how Bernie can justify trying to win the primary at the convention while having fewer pledged delegates, she said that the rules are what they are, so if you can win with fewer votes then go for it. So the host asked her if that wasn't the same thing a Hillary supporter would say - that she doesn't like the campaign finance system but she's going to take whatever money anyone wants to give to her campaign, and use it to win, isn't that the same thing Bernie is saying? No, she says, Bernie is too pure to take money from corporations. But he's willing to upend democracy and steal an election?

No, that doesn't fly with me.

[uppityperson]

3. Since he's asking superdelegates to vote according to the will of the people, it seems he's

supporting democracy. Upending democracy is allowing delegates to vote against the will of the people they represent.

You have it backwards. Welcome to DU.

[realmirage]

11. That's not what she said

They are saying they'd ask the SDs to give him the nomination even if she has more pledged delegates, and more popular votes. That is the definition of upending democracy.

[Armstead]

14. She said in states where one candidate has a clear majority they should go with the vote.

In states where it is close, they have more discretion.

Seems eminently fair minded to me.

[realmirage]

18. The clip

I can't see that clip above, does it have the part where she discussed the SDs?

[Armstead]

19. Yes it's in there

[realmirage]

21. ok

I'll give it another look when I can get it to play. Hopefully I heard it wrong the first time.

[realmirage]

24. Unfortunately she doesn't explicitly defend democracy

He keeps trying to get her to answer whether Bernie would try to win even with fewer delegates and she keeps dodging - "we don't know that either candidate will get the required number of delegates, and then it's an open convention"

It freaks me out that Bernie's campaign won't just answer that question outright. It's weaselly. I don't want any person winning who has fewer votes from the people.

[Armstead]

26. We heard two different things then.

I explicitly heard him press her and she said that in states that were close it was a decision the delegates would be expected to make on their own..

[realmirage]

28. can you

quote the line for me? I didn't hear that at all. She talked about the percentage of SDs in a state (1 per 1000), but nothing about states and the popular vote that has anything to do with the convention

[Armstead]

29. No I haven't the patience for that.

Just have to chalk it up to a difference in interpretation.

[realmirage]

35. interpretation?

No she either said it or didn't. But I'm out of patience with the debate myself. I watched it twice and heard what she said.

[snowy owl]

30. Ted Kennedy flipped from Clinton to Obama.Did he up-end democracy? H's flipping doesn't freak you?

Freaks you out? You must be really freaked out by now! Clinton has flip-flopped so much even SNL did a parody of her changing physically into Bernie.

As for votes from the people? It's not over. You Clintonites are out of control in your thinking. Loyalty over intellect. That's scary.

[realmirage]

36. Why do you sound so hysterical?

What I said is simple and not really debatable by a sane person. Whoever gets the most votes should win.

[Zira]

42. The person doesn't sound hysterical and you just used bullying tactics

It was dishonest of you to accuse that where it doesn't exist.

[realmirage]

46. Uh no

It sounded like a hysterical person insulting my intellect in an illogical way. Take your Bernie blinders off

[snowy owl]

48. If you want the popular vote to win, change the rules. Bernie didn't make them.

And we've elected presidents before who won the popular vote but lost the election. Are you new to politics?

And I didn't post ad hominems, did I?

[realmirage]

56. So now your argument

Is that stealing the election away from the will of the people is cool because thems the rules? Some movement you are pushing! And I guess you're not sharp enough to know that assuming I'm new to politics is an attack.

Never knew stealing elections was one of Bernie's core values! Glad you filled me in!

[snowy owl]

58. Look up the word "stealing" and then "sophistry" - you'll be better informed for it.

[Zira]

40. Do you even know what a super delegate is? A super delegate is upending democracy.

[realmirage]

47. Apparently

You are not properly comprehending what I said. Please re-read it.

[snowy owl]

50. Pledged delegates can change. Re-read: Ted Kennedy changed. It can be done.

That's what she said. Pledged isn't chained. Many pledged before they even heard campaigns. Blind pledges. Is that what you want? That's not democracy. And it isn't up-ending democracy just because the popular vote didn't match the eventual winner. Change the rules if you don't like it. Bernie is change. But you want status quo which frankly does not result in popular vote = winner. Parsing gets you into trouble. And you are the one who sounds hysterical with your "up-ending democracy" statement. Besides, we don't have a democracy. it would be more accurate to say "up-ending oligarchy.'"

[Agschmid]

54. If she has more PD's she should win the SD's.

And vice versa.

[jillan]

5. If Hillary does not have the 2383 PLEDGED delegates needed, she is not the nominee & if that's

the case it will go to the convention because neither one won.

How is that stealing?

[realmirage]

12. It's straightforward

If she has more pledged delegates and more popular votes, but he gets the SDs to give it to him, that is going against the will of the people, and democracy (majority rule). That's stealing.

[snowy owl]

51. You are short-sighted which may be due to hysteria. The primaries are not over. Let it go.

When all is said and done, perhaps the SDs will go with the will of the people although in Wyoming, Bernie received more popular votes but hasn't acquired the SD. How do you explain that?

While Sanders won the popular vote at the Wyoming caucus 56% to Clinton's 44%, they each received seven delegates.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/04/09/sanders-looks-wyoming-win-ahead-critical-new-york-primary/82833914/

So should the four SDs in Wyoming transfer their pledges to Bernie? If we follow your line of thinking, yes they should. Now, how are you going to parse that?

[BernieforPres2016]

25. Just more MSNBC bullshit.

I watched 30 seconds of the clip and cut it off.

[Zira]

44. Why? Jane did great. I'll be proud to have her as my First Lady.

[BernieforPres2016]

55. I'm sure Jane did fine

But I can't stomach watching Hayes, Tweety or Maddow. All they do it probe and try to create a gaffe. I've seen enough of Jane to know she's very intelligent and will keep her composure.

[Amaril]

57. Ummmm..........

Did you happen to note the name of the poster you responded to?

[snowy owl]

59. Sorry. I go too fast sometimes.

[snowy owl]

60. That figues. Thirty seconds of anything is hardly informative. Typical Clinton loyalty.

[MrMickeysMom]

6. Doesn't fly?

How horrible for you.

[winter is coming]

8. I don't see the superdelegates going against the majority unless there's a

problem making the candidate with the most pledged delegates markedly less viable: health crisis, collapse of voter support, major scandal, etc.

[realmirage]

16. I don't think so either, but

the fact that they are saying it weirds me out. It's immoral and is the sort of thing dictators do.

[BernieforPres2016]

10. So you think if Bernie has more pledged delegates going into the convention he should win?

The superdelegates should fall in line with the pledged delegates selected by the voters? Is that your position, the candidate with the most regular delegates wins?

[realmirage]

13. of course

Whoever has the most pledged delegates should win. If Bernie can overtake her in the pledged delegates, which really represent the voting, then the SDs should absolutely switch to Bernie. That's fair and that's democracy.

[2banon]

17. pledged super delegates overriding voters is banana republic it isn't democracy.

absolutely nothing "fair" or democratic about super delegates.

sad when united states citizens don't even understand the meaning of term democracy.

sad indeed.

[realmirage]

20. Agreed

But since they do exist, logically they should go with the will of the majority. That's what I'm saying.

[2banon]

22. ok. gotcha. sorry I misinterpreted. my eyes are tired, forgive me...

[realmirage]

23. No sweat : )

All good

[snowy owl]

53. As Carter said, we now have an oligarchy. We need B to get our democracy back again.

But people are not informed nor education. Name recognition and loyalty carry the day.

[jillan]

4. She does great in interviews. Very well spoken.

[Zira]

45. Yep! I want her to be my First Lady.

[CorporatistNation]

7. KICK!

!

[KoKo]

9. Recommend...!

[2banon]

15. Well Done.. Thanks for sharing, it helps a lot

I don't have cable and so it's nice folks like you are posting these so that some of us can enjoy an occasional or rare moment of refreshing honesty.

[Doremus]

27. Had not heard her before

I'm favorably impressed. Very articulate, soft spoken and enthusiastic.

A wonderful helpmate and potential First Lady.

[snowy owl]

31. Articulate, calm, reasoned, professional, informed, a great lady! Give us back democracy, Bernie.

Best was her response that Vermonters and citizens of surrounding states TRUST Bernie and they showed it in the numbers that voted for him. At this point in our oligarchy, we need to trust a leader who will give us back our democracy.

[Cheese Sandwich]

32. Chris Hayes STFU and let her answer the questions

[Land of Enchantment]

37. He is truly annoying trying so hard to put

words in her mouth and she is having NONE of it. What a little creep he is and Jane Sanders is pure grace and a total Class Act.

[Cheese Sandwich]

61. What a disappointment. I used to really like Chris Hayes.

He's really changed since he got on MSNBC. He wrote that book, Twilight of the Elites. It was really good.

He would never talk to Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton or Chelsea Clinton the way he did to Jane Sanders. Totally biased. I understand why people sell out because they need the money, but once they get to be rich and have so much money I don't see how they can look themselves in the mirror doing this kind of hack journalism.

[ViseGrip]

33. Chris Hayes, from the camp of 'no we can't'....

[slipslidingaway]

34. See also - Jane Sanders on With All Due Respect (04/11/16)

fast forward to 18:55


'Apr 11 -- Mark Halprin and Campbell Brown are joined by Jane Sanders, wife of Senator Bernie Sanders on "With All Due Respect" on Bloomberg Television. (Source: Bloomberg)"

[Land of Enchantment]

38. I watched the interview this afternoon and thought she

was eloquent, graceful and articulate. The Bloomberg guy (Mark Halprin) not so much. Yesterday he was trying to defend the results of the Wyoming caucus delegate distribution. His gotcha questions failed. Jane Sanders is a breath of fresh air and asset to the surrogates on teevee.

[slipslidingaway]

43. Yes she is a breath of fresh air! nt

[Zira]

49. Jane is Minute 44 - for anyone wanting to go to it.

I think she does really well. I'm looking forward to her being my First Lady.

I liked that they through in the birds.

[BigBearJohn]

39. Jane will make a GREAT First Lady!!!

[CentralMass]

41. That was well done.

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