POPE'S PERSONAL AIDE & Close Friend, Bishop Sánchez Sorondo INVITED Bernie to Rome.

[snagglepuss]

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As long as Camp Hillary keeps pumping out misstatements about what Bernie said about the visit, I'll keep posting the truth of what Bernie said. Bernie NEVER claimed the Pope invited him. He has consistently stated the Vatican invited him which is true.

In his all his statements except one on The View, Bernie consistently stated that he didn't know if he would meet the Pope.

More importantly, absolutely no one here knows what may have been said to him or his staff regarding the Pope possibly greeting the conference attendees as they arrive. Given this Conference deals with issues that are pertain directly to the Pope's lifelong commitment of helping the helpless, it is not unimaginable that he would make a brief appearance.

[yourpaljoey]

1. You know this will not stop them. Not even a little.

[snagglepuss]

3. I know they're going to beat it to death but I can play that game as well.

[Hortensis]

2. Sanders supporter Jeffrey Sachs asked the Vatican

to invite Sanders to the conference - belatedly.

Good political move. Bernie's not going there in the home stretch of running for the Democratic nomination for president to talk about sustainability. It must be hard on him, but obviously his campaign is hoping it will pay off.

[Nanjeanne]

4. No that is not anything remotely like what was said. Sachs said the Vatican asked him to reach out

to Sanders. Not the other way around.

But thanks for playing!

[Matt_in_STL]

7. If one lie doesn't stick they just modify it and hope the second one sticks.

They truly believe honesty doesn't have a payoff so they avoid it.

[Hortensis]

10. Yes, but who's lying? Sachs already has been

lying for Bernie. I own his book The Age of Sustainable Development, have taken his MOOC, and am signed up for e-mails. I truly don't mind his endorsing Bernie and saying good things about him, but I am extremely disappointed in his willingness to lie to promote him. I've read them. They're real, they're rather dirty and dishonorable, and they're very unworthy of a man whose work at least I still admire.

You know, you might ask why, when both Democratic candidates for president are very similar on climate issues, ONE would be invited to the Vatican by name. I'm guessing you haven't and won't, of course, because you know you don't like the answer. It didn't happen.

[snowy owl]

18. So you know he's lying? You OWN his book? Have you read his book? You're very, very smart.

[Hortensis]

23. Well, it is a thick book, with graphs and everything.

[snowy owl]

22. "They're real, they're rather dirty and... Produce proof of your allegations else you're lying.

[Hortensis]

24. Proof's been published right here on this forum.

I'm guessing you swallowed it happily without critique.

You know, posts like this are safe from unpleasant reality on the BS forum. But this one was posted here, and the truth is that Bernie is flying around the planet as a campaign stunt. Because NY has A LOT OF Catholics and he is hoping it'll grab their attention. And everyone, but a few deniers seemingly, knows it.

I have no objection to campaigning. This trip is typical political maneuvering these days. My objection is to the really giant lies about it on an open forum. Whoppers! Yoooge, blatant whoppers!

[snowy owl]

26. Then repost it. That's a terrible thing to say about Sachs. And it isn't true unless you can prove

[Hortensis]

32. Now, not having read his book would be a

more terrible thing, to my mind at least. It's a good an important book. Verrry heavy. And you didn't support him and his cause by buying his book either. It actually cost a good chunk of change.

Even the heroic defender of the great man that you are, I have some doubts about which one of us terrible people Sachs would push off the lifeboat first. Given his political behavior, the doubt is real. Who knows?

[beedle]

38. So it other words

you don't have any proof and are deflecting with some super lame, and unrelated, appeal to authority (you're because you claim to have read a book.)

okay, you can read ... congratulations .. now where it that proof you say is on the board somewhere?

[snagglepuss]

48. LOL! Whoppers! What whoppers? nt

[Nanjeanne]

15. So sad that fellow Democrats need to politicize something like this. But it's all "politics"

to the Clintons and their fans.

[Hortensis]

34. Bernie courts NY Catholics in Rome, Italy

in order to associate his name with the Pope and you're using politics as a dirty word? Come on. Just be honest. This is a legitimate campaign move.

Lying and pretending that it is anything else are what is disgusting. Take it to the BS forum and cheer safely there about Bernie's likeness to Jesus and the Pope. God!

[Nanjeanne]

36. Your comment is so OTT and beyond reasonable. Bernie was invited to particpate in

a conference at the Vatican - and that's a bad thing.

Your anger is a very sad thing to see. And kind of sick.

[Hortensis]

40. But not by the Pope. Nor the Pope endorse him.

Both completely ridiculous claims. As for sick, I'm irritated into doing something I keep telling myself I won't -- arguing with true believers. But, Jesus-like in his greatness? Endorsed by the Pope? Invited to speak at the Vatican by the Pope? GODDDD!!!

I know true believers have no limits on what they will claim if they think it's favorable to their leader, but... Where are all the other Bernie supporters who could speak intelligently for him instead of ceding discussion to truly silly idolatry? Yes, I know. They're not about to! I'm off again too.

[Nanjeanne]

42. Nobody claimed any of those things. Take a Valium.

[Nanjeanne]

16. He didn't suggest Bernie. Sachs said the Vatican asked for his help in reaching Bernie

It's not so strange to think that the Vatican might know who Sanders is and thought he was a good fit for what they were discussing? They've already said that Sanders has expressed interest many times in what will be discussed.

[snowy owl]

27. Don't accept the "suggestion" part. Make her prove it. Otherwise, it is a lie. Require facts.

[yourpaljoey]

9. Please serve up a side of grits with that plate of steaming bohookah

give it a rest, already

[beam me up scottie]

5. Let the obsessed have their precious, they really don't have anything else to cling to.

[snagglepuss]

11. Au contraire. These lies should not go unchallenged. Have you ever heard or read MSM reporting

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tha Sanchez Sorondo is the personal aide and close friend of Francis. Frankly I never saw mentioned that he was even a bishop. Any reference to him was a Vatican official and senior to Archer.

This is important because I very much doubt that Sorondo would not mention to his close friend his plans to invite Bernie or if he didn't mention it perhaps he knew that his close friend would not be displeased.

[beedle]

41. Which lies?

Frankly I never saw mentioned that he was even a bishop

Did you try this new thing called the Internet? Or Google, or maybe Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_S%C3%A1nchez_Sorondo

The rest of your nonsense is wild speculation ... which makes no sense at all even if we took it at face value.

[snagglepuss]

44. DING DING DING A winner! Yes indeed that info is readily available but show me

one story that mentions it - everything I saw and read refers to Sanchez Sorondo as a Vatican official.

[seabeyond]

8. He invited Sanders when Sanders LONGTIME FRIEND and speaker at the conference asked for that invite

for Sanders.

Ok. So?

[beam me up scottie]

12. ...

[seabeyond]

14. You know what Snaggle, I am thrilled Sanders is going. I am not thrilled him presenting it a meeting

with the Pope, like that means something.

Liberty University? Where he puts those silly wedge issues aside to discuss the more important issues?

[snagglepuss]

19. Why keep distorting the truth? When Bernie was asked on The View

if he was going to the Vatican and meeting the Pope he said yup but that was the only time but more importantly, as I stated, no one knows if perhaps someone told Bernie that the Pope might greet them or drop by.

[seabeyond]

25. He was mistaken or he lied. Regardless, he needed to clear it up and he didn't. Other people

had to hunt for the truth. That is not my problem.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Liberty U where the FIRST THING he did was stand up for women's and lgbt rights?

And let me start off by acknowledging what I think all of you already know. And that is the views that many here at Liberty University have and I, on a number of important issues, are very, very different. I believe in a woman's rights....

And the right of a woman to control her own body.

I believe gay rights and gay marriage.

Unlike your candidate who went to Saddleback Church to pander to the bigots and who also agreed with the religious right in opposing marriage equality.

And who also recently said she's willing to compromise on abortion.

Let me know when Bernie starts agreeing to bargain away our rights.

[seabeyond]

29. Now, lets put that aside and talk about what we can agree on. White and $. Lol. I gotcha.

[beam me up scottie]

30. Bernie never said that but it's what you agree with, isn't it? Hillary's white and has millions of $

I'm with the Jewish thousandaire who went into the lion's den and stood up for me.

You're with the person who agreed with them about restricting civil rights.

[seabeyond]

31. I am privileged, recognize and acknowledge. For sure. That is how I knew immediately Sanders was

talking to me. Hence, my asking from the start to allow minorities to sit at the table, too. And repeatedly told that no, there are more important issues. Like, my white and $.

I am a Democrat though, not self interest Libertarian, so that did not work for me.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Link to where he said any of that? You know we can tell who's lying, right?

And a democratic socialist is a lot farther away from being a libertarian than a conservative Democrat is - just so you know where Hillary's supporters fall on the spectrum.

Unlike Hillary Bernie always stood up for our rights, so I can see why many want to smear and lie about his record.

[JDPriestly]

43. Did you actually listen to Bernie's speech at Liberty University?

As Bernie always does, he addressed directly and clearly his differences with the Liberty University views on issues especially abortion and issues about women's rights.

Please listen to the speech if you haven't already.

Thank you.

[Nanjeanne]

17. Sachs never said he made the suggestion. Where is this idea coming from?

All I've read is that Sachs said the Vatican asked for his help in reaching Bernie.

[snagglepuss]

21. You're right. My bad. This is exactly why we need to keep the truth out there because

it is so easy to start believing the spin. I deleted that post.

So here's what you are referring to:

The chancellor of the body, Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, ...said that it was his idea to invite Sanders.

Jeffrey Sachs, a Columbia University professor who is presenting at the event, said in a phone interview that he helped the Vatican reach out to Bernie Sanders in March, and he doesn’t know why Archer alleged that the Sanders campaign initiated the gig. “The academy sent the invitation, it’s pure and simple,” he said. “A lot of people in the Vatican respect him a lot. He is speaking in the same kind of moral themes that Pope Francis, and the social teachings of the Church, promote, which is a moral economy.” A representative who works with Sachs also passed along an official invitation from Sanchez Sorondo to Sanders dated on March 30.



http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-heads-to-the-vatican/477471/

[Nanjeanne]

35. Exactly. It's that so many false stories get started by either intentionally or unintentionally

misreading things.

Now Sachs is part of Sanders advisory team so I can easily see the Vatican asking him to reach out to Sanders. And I can also see Sanders expressing interest in this symposium to Sachs. But the Clintonites have this overwhelming need to distort everything - even something that would be considered an honor to many - into something nefarious.

I'm just trying to keep 'em honest!

[Nanjeanne]

37. Hang on to that falsehood. It seems to make you so happy I wouldn't want to deprive you of it.

[JDPriestly]

39. The Hillary crowd is jealous of Bernie.any

He has given his life to help the underserved, the poor and the disabled and for our environment. Hillary has given hers to raising money.

That's just where we are today.

And the Hillary crowd is jealous of Bernie's authenticity, his dedication to high ideals and many years of service. It's those qualities of Bernie that got him the invitation to this Vatican meeting. Hillary was not invited.

Those are the simple facts.

[snagglepuss]

46. kick

[AzDar]

47. K & R

[TheDormouse]

49. when is this non-story going to DIE??

K&R!

[snagglepuss]

50. knr

[Jitter65]

51. After being asked to do so. nt

[snagglepuss]

52. .