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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:42 PM Apr 2016

Will the real Bernie please come forward?

Perhaps that's not the best idea.

Excerpt:

Chris Graf, long-time Associated Press bureau chief in Vermont, in an article published Sept. 30 in Theweek.com, had this to say about the senator.

“Bernie has no social skills, no sense of humor, and he's quick to boil over. He's the most unpolitical person in politics I've ever come across,” Graf said. Others who have covered Sanders agree.

Seven Days, the lively alternative weekly in Burlington, is offering extensive coverage of the Sanders campaign, reporting framed by decades of coverage. A recent article by Paul Heintz titled “Anger Management” featured current and former staff who have experienced the dark side of Sanders.

“They characterize the senator as rude, short-tempered and, occasionally, downright hostile. Though Sanders has spent much of his life fighting for working Vermonters, they say he mistreats the people working for him,” Heintz wrote. Among those he cited was Steve Rosenfeld, Sanders' press secretary during his 1990 House campaign, and author of “In Making History in Vermont.”

"At his best, Sanders is a skilled reader and manipulator of people and events," Rosenfeld wrote in his account of the campaign. "At his worst, he falls prey to his own emotions, is unable to practice what he preaches (though he would believe otherwise) and exudes a contempt for those he derides, including his staff."

http://lansingcitypulse.com/article-12189-the-trouble-with-bernie.html
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Will the real Bernie please come forward? (Original Post) kstewart33 Apr 2016 OP
Reading this Lansing blog makes me think Sanders will lose in Michigan. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #1
lol Hiraeth Apr 2016 #3
Sounds more like he's describing Hillary nichomachus Apr 2016 #2
No that definitely describes Bernie's behavior this past week. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #4
No, that's a Hillaryite trick. nichomachus Apr 2016 #6
This week versus the last 25 years Hillary's behavior has been written about, incl with Greenpeace merrily Apr 2016 #32
What part of "fix" is escaping you? He had plenty of friends "at work" merrily Apr 2016 #50
the first quote is such a blatant lie lol Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #5
Dangerous Traits of Cult Leaders Henhouse Apr 2016 #7
Did you try the "Bernie is a cult leader" line on others before rolling it out here? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #8
The Hillary Group is Their Focus Group noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #10
Maybe they should do focus groups with a more reality-grounded demographic. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #15
I agree noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #21
. merrily Apr 2016 #30
Another one pulled out of deep freeze. frylock Apr 2016 #47
That's cold! merrily Apr 2016 #53
Interesting. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #54
Chris Graff fired by the AP in 2006 Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #9
LOL noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #12
Fired for being a hack--imagine that. Thank you for this revealing piece of information. nt DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #13
All of last years failed arguments are being brought out again...clearly new arguments didn't work HereSince1628 Apr 2016 #11
None of his colleagues are lining up to endorse him in the Senate nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #14
cause Clinton has her Enemy list. why would they paint a target on their backs? Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #16
The alternative is Trenzalore Apr 2016 #18
you have your theory, i have mine Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #20
Either way Trenzalore Apr 2016 #23
not yet. When, or if, they realize the race has changed enough for them to safely switch Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #28
Nor the majority of the superdelegates from his home state of Vermont. Henhouse Apr 2016 #25
I think in person Trenzalore Apr 2016 #26
Because they are afraid this will happen to them politically... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #29
Can you name Trenzalore Apr 2016 #33
John Edwards. nt. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #39
I think he destroyed himself nt. Trenzalore Apr 2016 #40
Yeah.. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #41
Its hard to hide an affair in the internet age Trenzalore Apr 2016 #42
That is really your defense? Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #44
John Edwards was going to hide a baby from the world? Trenzalore Apr 2016 #46
Well when the same large media companies that gave millions to the Clintons Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #51
It sells papers Trenzalore Apr 2016 #52
If those in power don't control what is leaked... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #57
That the fix is so obviously in and coordinated should bother you. merrily Apr 2016 #34
It does Trenzalore Apr 2016 #36
Your message text contradicts your subject line--and reality. merrily Apr 2016 #43
You see it as a badge of honor his colleagues don't trust him Trenzalore Apr 2016 #45
Please don't lie about what I said & see I said the fix is in, not that his colleagues don't trust merrily Apr 2016 #48
Yet not one person will stand up for him Trenzalore Apr 2016 #49
Lol! More projection from Hillary supporters. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #56
Bernies "tit for tat" nonsense sure showed this article to have a lot of merit Lucinda Apr 2016 #17
A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT from the same reporter Armstead Apr 2016 #19
#research Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #22
Funny what can be done with that Google thing Armstead Apr 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #59
Same OP noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #60
I think the temper that Sanders has displayed this past week supports the OP. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #27
You mean when his temper flared up with that anti-semitic man at the NYC rally? JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #31
You mean a temper like this: Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #35
Bernie has an excellent sense of humor. SamKnause Apr 2016 #37
Sounds like you've met him. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #38
He's referring to the butthurt ex-staffers who were whining about Bernie. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #55

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
2. Sounds more like he's describing Hillary
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

Just in the last couple of weeks, we've seen a total lack of social skills - at least when dealing with the 99 percent - no sense of humor, and she boils over at room temperature. The only time we see a genuine laugh from her is when she talks about killing people.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
4. No that definitely describes Bernie's behavior this past week.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:50 PM
Apr 2016

Unless you shut your eyes and put your fingers in your ears.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. This week versus the last 25 years Hillary's behavior has been written about, incl with Greenpeace
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:29 PM
Apr 2016

recently? ok.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
50. What part of "fix" is escaping you? He had plenty of friends "at work"
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:57 PM
Apr 2016

and in the Democratic Party until he ran against the Queen in Waiting.

Please don't be dishonest. thanks in advance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018753

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
5. the first quote is such a blatant lie lol
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

No social skills and no sense of humor.

Bernie doesn't suffer fools gladly, he tells em off. Who wants to bet the backstory details will show this guy has an axe to grind cause Bernie has proven him wrong sometime in the past?

Dammit, now i gotta go look. The dishes can wait a few more minutes i suppose.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
7. Dangerous Traits of Cult Leaders
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

"At his best, Sanders is a skilled reader and manipulator of people and events," Rosenfeld wrote in his account of the campaign. "At his worst, he falls prey to his own emotions, is unable to practice what he preaches (though he would believe otherwise) and exudes a contempt for those he derides, including his staff."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders

Joe Navarro M.A.

Dangerous Cult Leaders
Dangerous Traits of Cult Leaders
Posted Aug 25, 2012


.... they were or are all pathologically narcissistic. They all have or had an over-abundant belief that they were special, that they and they alone had the answers to problems, and that they had to be revered. They demanded perfect loyalty from followers, they overvalued themselves and devalued those around them, they were intolerant of criticism, and above all they did not like being questioned or challenged. And yet, in spite of these less than charming traits, they had no trouble attracting those who were willing to overlook these features.






 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
8. Did you try the "Bernie is a cult leader" line on others before rolling it out here?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

It does make you seem kind of deranged.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
10. The Hillary Group is Their Focus Group
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:05 PM
Apr 2016

They always test out the ideas there before rolling them out to the rest of us.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
15. Maybe they should do focus groups with a more reality-grounded demographic.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

Then again, let 'em do their thing. They're hurting themselves, and that comports nicely with my agenda.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
30. .
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

Profile Information
Gender: Female
Hometown: South Carolina
Member since: 2002
Number of posts: 155

Yet, I've seen five posts from Henhouse today alone. Nothing unusual there!

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
9. Chris Graff fired by the AP in 2006
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

Christopher Graff, 52, a writer who was in charge of The A.P.'s Vermont bureau in Montpelier, was told Monday he no longer had a job. The move came after he put a partisan column on the wire, and as the news agency is consolidating some of its bureaus across state lines.

More at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/22/business/media/22vermonts.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. All of last years failed arguments are being brought out again...clearly new arguments didn't work
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:05 PM
Apr 2016

and the old ones being the only alternative are better than capitulating.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
20. you have your theory, i have mine
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:19 PM
Apr 2016

I think bernie can get very cranky when he sees that someone does not put the people first.

I WELCOME HIS CRANKYNESS!

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
23. Either way
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:21 PM
Apr 2016

None of his colleagues are willing to go out on a limb for him. Even pathetic McCain has Lindsey Graham as a friend.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
28. not yet. When, or if, they realize the race has changed enough for them to safely switch
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016

then we will see.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
25. Nor the majority of the superdelegates from his home state of Vermont.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

Most of the big-name Democrats in the state, like former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, Vermont Gov. Peter Shumlin and Sen. Patrick Leahy, have endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/bernie-sanders-vermont-super-delegates-220435#ixzz45Rv0cQGJ
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Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
26. I think in person
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:24 PM
Apr 2016

He is a very unlikable person....politics is about getting things done and you need to be able to make friends to do that.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
29. Because they are afraid this will happen to them politically...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:27 PM
Apr 2016


The Clintons are known to politically destroy those that don't support them... And they don't want to lose their positions.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
41. Yeah..
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

But funny how everything was leaked after he was put on the 'hit list' and published and publicised by known Clinton supporters.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
44. That is really your defense?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

It is very easy to hide. Ask all those in the public light that got away with it.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
46. John Edwards was going to hide a baby from the world?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

Good luck hiding your mistress and her baby right now. 20 years ago wouldn't have been as much of a problem.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
51. Well when the same large media companies that gave millions to the Clintons
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:59 PM
Apr 2016

...are the ones publicizing it, it is really hard to hide the fact.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
57. If those in power don't control what is leaked...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

Why are we just finding out about Denis Hassert's child rape scandal? You don't think that the two parties thoroughly vets it's leaders and never knew about it until just now? If so, I have a bridge to sell you...

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
36. It does
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

I was pretty open at the onset but I couldn't figure out why Bernie has absolutely no friends. Speaks volumes to what his colleagues think of him.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
45. You see it as a badge of honor his colleagues don't trust him
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

I see it as indicative of his temperament and character. I'm very troubled at the idea of someone like that running the party.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
48. Please don't lie about what I said & see I said the fix is in, not that his colleagues don't trust
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

him.

Sanders' Senate colleagues and Howard Dean all were full of praise for him--until he decided to interfere with the coronation and the DNC put the squeeze on all Democrats to unite against him. In the House, he was elected chair of the Progressive Caucus 8 years running. How much could they have hated him?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128018753

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
19. A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ASSESSMENT from the same reporter
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/bernie-sanders-is-the-uncola-of-american-politics/

From a Daily Fix interview with Chris Graff, the longtime Vermont bureau chief for the Associated Press and author of "Dateline Vermont"

FIX: Describe Sanders time as mayor of Burlington. Is he viewed as a successful mayor? Why or why not?

GRAFF: Incredibly successful. The origins of almost everything great in Burlington today can be traced back to Bernie’s tenure as mayor. When he was elected in 1981 many city leaders feared he would care more about foreign policy (his team and his supporters were known as "Sanderistas&quot than city matters. But he was laser-focused on fixing potholes and economic development and rebuilding the waterfront and saving the downtown and providing arts and developing programs for children. Today Burlington ranks as one of the most livable cities in the nation. (Editor's note: He's right!)

FIX: Sanders has been in Washington for the past 24 years straight — first in the House and now in the Senate. How do Vermonters regard him? Still as an outsider to the establishment or part of the establishment?

GRAFF: Most love him. In every parade that Bernie marches in, he gets the biggest and loudest cheers – from Vermonters across the political spectrum. He remains very popular in liberal and conservative regions of the state. That’s not to say that he is universally loved. Some business leaders, Republican leaders and even some Democrats see him as the crazy uncle in the attic.

Response to Viva_La_Revolution (Reply #22)

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
60. Same OP
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

posted again in the Hillary group tonight by the same person. I don't expect that the Hillary group will do the research like you did.

Check it out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110797717

SamKnause

(13,107 posts)
37. Bernie has an excellent sense of humor.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

He has a very sweet smile.

He cares about everyone.

He does not worship money.

He wants world peace.

He wants a living wage.

He wants to take on corruption in the establishment.

He wants to take on our corporate media.

He is a wonderful kind man.

Jane's eyes light up when she talks about him.

Response to kstewart33 (Original post)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
55. He's referring to the butthurt ex-staffers who were whining about Bernie.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

How many ex-Clinton staffers have spilled the beans about Hillary and Bill? Why I believe we could post about them for days.

If we were desperate, that is.


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