Why GOP Neocons Love Clinton

[think]

This article does a great job of explaining where Hillary stands in regards to foreign policy. Basically she stands with the GOP neocons. Anyone following her tenure as Secretary of State knows this is what kind of policy she supported.

Why GOP Neocons Love Clinton

James Williams | Mar 27, 2016 12:34pm

This week former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave the first comprehensive policy speech how to combat ISIS. The address came less than 24 hours after the terrorist attacks in Belgium and was presented to a full house at the Stanford University's Bechtel Conference Center.

There is no doubt that Clinton finds support from Republican neocons that are left over from both George H.W. Bush and his son, George W. Bush. They know that she is far more hawkish than he former boss President Barack Obama.

Despite the Benghazi allegations Clinton still finds Republican neocons who find her very acceptable as a commander in chief over Donald Trump and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz.

Topping the more than 135 invited guests and members of the media. Former Secretary of State George Shultz and former Secretary of Defense William Perry, who are fellows with the Stanford's Hoover Institution, sat in the front row.

She outlined a strategy that would expand military, security and political alliances globally, reinforce the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), partner with technology businesses and nations to strengthen cybersecurity and intelligence operations, and define and invest in communities that are hotbeds of jihadis to counter their influence.

~Snip~

She has gained the support of many of the Republican neocon defensive advisors who were part of the foreign policy teams of former president Bush as well as former GOP nominee Mitt Romney, feel more comfortable with Clinton than they do with either Trump or Cruz.

Concerned that Trump would destroy American foreign policy and the international system, author Max Boot told Vox that Clinton would be vastly preferable. Historian Robert Kagan has also come out in favor of Clinton, saying he feels comfortable with her on foreign policy. Eliot Cohen, a former Bush administration official who has been called the most influential neocon in academe, declared Clinton the lesser evil, by a large margin...


Read more:
http://www.newstalkflorida.com/why-gop-neocons-love-clinton

And there are many sources for journalists expressing these same kind of sentiments about the GOP neocon flocking to Hillary:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opinion/sunday/are-neocons-getting-ready-to-ally-with-hillary-clinton.html

http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/when-hillary-clinton-out-neoconned-a-neocon/

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/on-foreign-policy-and-civil-liberties-hillary-clinton-is-not-a-progressive/ar-AAfwfbz

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/27/1506844/-HIllary-Clinton-is-a-terrible-human-being-but-you-should-still-vote-for-her-seriously

[Buzz Clik]

1. This must be "Hillary is a Neocon" Sunday. Woohoo!

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

2. Do you have facts that prove otherwise?

[revbones]

18. They are immune to facts. It's common among Hillary followers. This type of thing is all they have.

[think]

3. Care to discuss Hillary's foreign policy and explain your support or lack of support for it?

[Buzz Clik]

5. Not with someone who calls her a Neocon.

However, if you'd like to continue, I'd be happy to be condescending, belittling, and break out my best ridicule. You up for that?

[think]

9. So no. You won't discuss her foreign policy. Got it.

[Buzz Clik]

12. I will discuss foreign policy with someone who is knowledgeable and serious about the subject.

That's not you.

[revbones]

19. In other words "Can't discuss or justify her foreign policy experience or actions" Got it.

[think]

22. Robert Kagan endorsed Hillary. Richard Perle stated that he preferred Hillary over the Republicans

These aren't left wingers. These are hard right Bush advisers advocating for Hillary.

You can be condescending to me all you want but these are facts.

[Buzz Clik]

23. "Robert Kagan endorsed Hillary." Nope, he did not. That is total bullshit spewed by Sanders's crowd

He said he'd sooner vote for HRC than Trump, but never endorsed her. NEVER. Care to provide proof of that bullshit claim? Let's see it, word-for-word from Kagan's mouth: "I endorse Hillary Clinton for President."

[think]

24. "For this former Republican, and perhaps for others, the only choice will be to vote for Hillary

Trump is the GOP’s Frankenstein monster. Now he’s strong enough to destroy the party.

By Robert Kagan February 25

So what to do now? The Republicans’ creation will soon be let loose on the land, leaving to others the job the party failed to carry out. For this former Republican, and perhaps for others, the only choice will be to vote for Hillary Clinton. The party cannot be saved, but the country still can be.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-the-gops-frankenstein-monster-now-hes-strong-enough-to-destroy-the-party/2016/02/25/3e443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

[Buzz Clik]

31. Yeah baby! Strip away the real context and create your own!

Question: In the 1000 or so words leading up to that concluding sentence you quoted, how many times had HRC been mentioned?
Answer: Zero

Question: In the entirety of Kagan's article, how many times did he mention HRC's foreign policy?
Answer: Zero

Did you really think I would not read that article and, thus, let you get away with such rank bullfritters?

[think]

32. He publicly advocates voting for Hillary. That's not an official endoresment but it's an endorsement

He was one of Hillary's advisers and Hillary hired his wife to the state dept.

So play games and act like he didn't advocate voting for Clinton PUBLICLY.

en·dorse
inˈdôrs,enˈdôrs/
verb
1.
declare one's public approval or support of.
"the report was endorsed by the college"

Was it an official endorsement no?. Did he publicly advocate voting for her? He sure as hell did.

So you can wallow in your hollow victory while ignoring this public statement, ignore that he was an adviser to her at the state dept, ignore Hillary hiring his wife to the state dept and say that this was not an official endorsement.

Congratulations on mincing words....

[Buzz Clik]

48. Make it up as you go along. Nicely played.

He will vote for Hillary if the non-establishment GOP candidates (Trump, Cruz) are nominated. Period.

The rest is you pounding the square peg of Kagan's article into the round hole of your argument that HRC is a Neocon.

Massive fail, but cling to it because it makes you happy.

[think]

49. Kagan and his wife both worked for Hillary at the State Dept.

I made up nothing. You are parsing words.

Kagan most certainly stated publicly that people should vote for Hillary. In other words he endorsed her.

Even some on the right have taken it as an endorsement of her candidacy. PJ Media wrote an article entitled:

Robert Kagan's Premature and Wrongheaded Decision to Endorse Clinton

So you can squabble over the words but he did state he would vote for Hillary.

And knowing the Kagan is one of the founders of PNAC he's more than just another neocon. He's a big shot. Having him and his wife working for Hillary in the State Dept. wasn't a coincidence.


Hillary's policy is completely enamored in neocon ideology. I posted multiple sites that more than show her support from the neocon community.

[Buzz Clik]

50. I refuse to follow your stupid tangents.

You have yet to quote Kagan endorsing HRC for President.

You put up a kinda sorta "I'll vote for her rather than Trump" and called that an endorsement. It was bullshit then, it's bullshit.

You had one task, and that was provide a quote where Kagan said, "I endorse Hillary Clinton for President", and you failed.

Sorry, but your argument has been flushed.

This has become repetitive. Have the last word.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

43. You can't answer the question. You're actually afraid of the question.

You don't get to ask questions when there are questions still pending that you've run away from.

[CoffeeCat]

28. Hillary is a neocon. No Democrat should vote for this

unless they are a democrat who supports the foreign-policy stances of George Bush. Robert Kagan was the primary architect of the plan to destabilize and invade Iraq, and also Libya and Syria.

Robert Kagan was a Bush adviser. He was also one of Hillary Clinton's Middle East foreign-policy advisers. It's truly unthinkable that Hillary Clinton dragged this cancer into the Democratic Party.

We used to all agree as Democrats that Bush and Cheney were war criminals. Hillary should be publicly shamed for adopting these hawkish, bad ideas into our party, that has always been the voice for peace and reason against war-happy Republicans.

Hillary Clinton supporters need to begin to seriously examine Hilary's bad judgment on this issue. If you're not aware of how dangerous her ideas are, there are plenty of articles that can help you understand. If you are aware of her dangerous foreign policy actions and beliefs, but you're in denial about future damage that she could inflict as President, you need to take off the blinders and contemplate how more war in the Middle East would impact our country and the future.

[Beacool]

36. Sanders is not going to be the nominee.

So some make an extra effort to tarnish Hillary. I guess they prefer a Trump presidency. If they can't win, then no one else can.

I wonder if they realize what a waste of time all these posts are, the Sanders supporters are already voting for him. The Hillary supporters will vote for her and these posts only serve to tick us off and make sure that we work even harder to help elect her.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

42. Every day is Hillary is a Neocon day, probably due to the fact that she's a neocon.

We did try to warn you.

[Avalon Sparks]

61. They don't care

[John Poet]

62. Hillary is a goddamn Neocon EVERY goddamn Day of the week,

52 weeks a year, and that is the goddamn problem...

[Buzz Clik]

63. Every godamn moment! A Neocon, I tell ya!!!!11

[jcgoldie]

4. Just one problem

They hate her. They have spent their entire primary season attacking her and barely a peep about Sanders so far... wonder why? It's almost like they'd rather run against him in November. Naahhh couldn't be, she's one of them I read it here on DU. Oh yeah and nowhere else in the world.

[tabasco]

6. Are you serious?

The right-wing corporate media coronated Queen Hillary long ago. They desperately want her as the Democratic nominee for two reasons:

1) They know she can be beat, with her very high negative ratings.
2) Even if she wins, she'll cooperate with their agenda.

[jcgoldie]

11. "right wing corporate media"

Sounds an awful lot like Rush Limbaugh criticizing the "mainstream media". Everyone has a catch phrase for the entire news reporting apparatus it seems when they don't like what's being reported.

[revbones]

20. Way to back up your points with thin air! Kudos! nt

[tabasco]

27. LOL. Who owns the mass media in this country? Is this a bunch of liberal corporations?

[think]

7. Republicans have hated her but not so much the militant hawks known as neocons.

They love her desire to use the military and regime change to lead America's foreign policy.

[Avalux]

14. I think they'd rather have her in office than the GOPer.

Trump won't listen to them, and Cruz is tea party....Hillary represents the establishment and will continue to keep things as they are. Why haven't you figured out that at the top, party affiliation doesn't matter. It's all a dog and pony show for our benefit; to make up believe we actually have a choice.

[jcgoldie]

16. well this is Democratic underground

Conspiracy theories aside, the underlying assumption is there is a difference between the 2 parties in the system. It isn't ideal, but on dozens and dozens of issues affecting real people socially and economically the policy positions of the major candidates on either side will lead to extremely different outcomes.

[tk2kewl]

34. GWB thinks she's his sister-in-law

https://m.

[BillZBubb]

52. I will assume you are simply uninformed on this.

Do you know who the "father" of the neocons is? Do you know who he endorsed?

Didn't think so. Get a clue.

[jcgoldie]

54. I will assume

You have nothing useful to add thus your cryptic bullshit post

[BillZBubb]

55. I see, you are a Know Nothing party member. There was nothing cryptic about my post.

You said of the neocons "they hate her" and spent money in the primaries to defeat her.

The fact is the neocons support her. Robert Kagan is the accepted leader of the neocon movement and he ENDORSED Hillary for president. That hardly sounds like hate or trying to defeat her.

If you Hillary fanatics actually learned about her, you'd be in a lot better place. Willful ignorance is not a good trait to possess.

[jcgoldie]

57. More ad hominem bullshit

Seems the standard. You are denying that the republican party has spent the last 6-8 months villifying Clinton and virtually ignored Bernie Sanders? I won't make a judgement about you based on that ridiculous assertion. Cheers.

[BillZBubb]

58. You are clueless. This thread is about neocons. You are trying to make it about something else.

Evidently, you'll say and do anything to cover for Hillary.

As I said willful ignorance like yours is not a very positive trait.

[Trust Buster]

8. Yeah, that's why they spent millions trying to destroy her. Because they love her.

[think]

10. How does Hillary's foreign policy differ from GOP neocon foreign policy?

Did I not link to multiple sources from many different perspectives all saying similar things in regards to her foreign policy?

[Trust Buster]

13. Her foreign policy is vastly different from theirs. You sound ridiculous comparing her to neocons.

[think]

17. The founder of PNAC Robert Kagan has ENDORSED Hillary. He's best buddies with Bill Kristol

How ridiculous is that?

And I provide multiple sources yet you can only respond with with their policies are vastly different.

How in anyway are they different?

[revbones]

21. Nice job differentiating it. Very informative. Not. nt

[Chezboo]

59. "Kagan’s courtship of Clinton has been quite open.

"I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy" he told The New York Times in June."It’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that." He himself tellingly prefers the term "liberal interventionist.""

http://democracyjournal.org/magazine/35/countering-the-neocon-comeback/

[BillZBubb]

53. Again, you haven't go a clue.

The neocons haven't spent any money "trying to destroy her". In fact, the leading neocon, Robert Kagan, publicly endorsed her.

You Hillary fanatics have a lot to learn about your candidate. Too bad you won't open your eyes and make an effort.

[HughLefty1]

15. Neocons will be voting for Hillary if Trump somehow gets the GOP nom

[Califonz]

56. Optimistic

Do that many neocons own private prison and war industry stocks?

[NewImproved Deal]

25. Yes...

The Loathsome Neo-Con Robert Kagan is solidly behind the Clinton Machine--not surprising, as Kagan's wife (and Hillary's Pal) Victoria Nuland was the US "Diplomat" who fomented the crisis in Ukraine.

Meet the Neo-Cons: [link:|

[think]

29. Yep. Hillary appointed Robert Kagan's wife, Victoria Nuland, to the State Dept. after

Phillip J Crowley complained how Army Private Chelsey Manning was being treated in a military prison:

Cheney Appointee Victoria Nuland's Neocon Ukrainian Adventures

Victoria "Fuck The EU" Nuland, who was plotting to get 'Yats' into government, whose husband is neocon Robert Kagan, worked for and was appointed by Dick Cheney.

What is a Cheney appointee like Victoria Nuland doing still being Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs, under a Democratic administration? In a State Department run by Hillary Clinton?...

~Snip~

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appointed Nuland as her press spokesman after Philip J. Crowley was forced to resign after he publicly complained about the military prison treatment of Army Private Bradley Manning, arrested and jailed for releasing classified State ...

Much more to read here:
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2014/03/cheney-appointee-victoria-nulands-neocon-ukrainian-adventures

[MisterP]

33. the important thing with the neocons is always to remember that they started out hard left

(though quite deranged): they saw Stalinism as the Eastern Bloc's guiding principle well after 1956 and saw the New Left as foolishly opening the door to a world-conquering totalitarianism; they saw the "antiliberal left" standing up for woman-hating monotheistic Arabs instead of secular egalitarian kibbutznik Israel; they saw the antiwar left foolishly reaching out to Papists like the Berrigan brothers and Robert Drinan and Francis I (haven't those stupid hippies heard about Galileo?!); now they screech about the "regressive left" saying women should be in science and that if we defend "Charlie Hebdo" we have to defend Dieudonne as well

more importantly for the overall picture is that their language is designed to resonate with lefties and liberals: to the Scoop Jackson types the left hadn't betrayed some hard-right capitalism in Vietnam and now Nicaragua, it had betrayed its own principles by letting the Sino-Vietnamese and Hmong and Miskito get genocided in the name of state capitalism's bourgeoisie; Reagan came at his opponents from the left rhetorically, and his pudding brain didn't even realize it

[Faux pas]

26. Kickin'

[Scuba]

30. Arms dealers suck.

[Sheepshank]

35. yet it was Bernie wooing them, and BS supporters justifying it, just a few short weeks ago...

..indicating that Bernie is just the anti-establishment hero they were looking for.

I guess you all were wrong on that front, but we are now to believe this load of codwallop instead? This is a classic.

[think]

38. There is a huge difference between moderate republican voters going to Sanders & NEOCON leaders

openly stating their support for Hillary.

Huge difference!

[geek tragedy]

37. it's actually pretty simple:

Sanders is to her left, and Trump is batshit insane, combining the worst aspects of Dick Cheney and Ron Paul.

They don't have anywhere else to turn now that their boy Rubio is gone.

[think]

39. Hillary had Robert Kagan as an adviser at State Dept, she hired his wife to the State Dept.

Her policies are the epitome of neocon philosophy.

When writers are saying Paul Wolfowitz is out neoconned by Hillary at AIPAC that's saying something:

When Hillary Clinton Out-Neoconned a Neocon

By Russ Wellen, April 1, 2016.

Believe it or not, the Bush administration’s Paul Wolfowitz showed even more concern about Palestine than Hillary Clinton.


Hillary Clinton was the recipient of much criticism for her speech before the AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) on March 21. For example, the headline to a Slate article by Michelle Goldberg called it “a Symphony of Craven, Delusional Pandering.” At the National Interest, Henry Siegman wrote about the most objectionable passage of the speech.

Among the dangers from which Clinton promised to protect Israel is the “threat” of a Security Council resolution demanding an end to the half-century occupation of the West Bank. She said she would insist that Palestinians can achieve statehood only in negotiations with Netanyahu. Yet even President Obama, who until recently held that same view, finally realized the absurdity of that demand following Netanyahu’s declaration during the last Knesset elections that Palestinians will not live to see a state of their own while he is Israel’s prime minister.

In other words, as Ms. Clinton or her staff had to have known, with Netanyahu, negotiations could never lead to statehood. But no need to pile on. As you can see by the samples above, many more knowledgeable commentators than me have already taken their shots. However, another part of Siegman’s article left me feeling especially dispirited.

In Clinton’s speech … she managed to avoid even a single sentence that acknowledges the subjugation, disenfranchisement and humiliation Palestinians have been subjected to in the half-century of Israel’s occupation.

http://fpif.org/hillary-clinton-neoconned-neocon/

[geek tragedy]

40. she's definitely leans more that way than I prefer. More than Sanders for sure.

Sanders is a non-starter for them.

If there were an establishment Republican with a chance to win, the Neocons would support him. But, instead there are two wacko birds.

[think]

44. Thank you for this input. I do appreciate it. I hope that if she's the nominee she will make efforts

to show she would be less prone to pursue a hawkish foreign policy.

Doing some things like keeping John Kerry on as SoS would impress me. I'd actually prefer someone to the left of Kerry but he has done an outstanding job and I wouldn't be concerned in seeing him continue.

Things of this nature would go along way in getting some Bernie supporters to be more open to supporting her in a general election.

It would also be nice to see the AG and Sec Treas not come from Wall St. Some one more from the regulatory side instead. But I'm certainly wouldn't expect it to be in her plans.

[geek tragedy]

46. I think she is more hawkish than Obama, but is not as hawkish as she postures.

she'll continue the really groundbreaking stuff of Obama--Iran, climate change agreements, Cuba. She probably wouldn't have launched those on her own, but that's why I voted for him. Now that they're in place, she'll have to build on them.

I hope she's seen that we have to stop treating the Middle East as if the world revolves around it. Asia and Latin America are more important to us, and are closer to us in terms of diplomacy, culture, and economics.

Israel/Palestine--she'll probably be terrible. But, Obama was pretty good on I/P and he completely failed there, so she can't do that much damage.

[amborin]

60. she's even more hawkish than appearances suggest, and the evidence shows she pressured

Obama to implement regime change in Libya; she learned nothing, apparently, from her disastrous Iraq vote.

[bobthedrummer]

47. Truth. Straussian militarism and other Project for the New American Century/PNAC "guidelines"

were Madame Secretary's forte and let's not leave out President Clinton being "influenced". Some people simply hate the Truth, don't they?

Project for the New American Century (The Center for Media and Democracy/SourceWatch)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

K&R

[creon]

41. GOP neocons

have the right to vote as they please.
Including voting for a Democratic Party candidate.

[think]

45. They sure do. But their support is based on Hillary's FP record. That is the concern. Progressives

like myself (Hopefully there are many others.) have no desire to see more military interventions and regime change like those that occurred under a SoS Clinton. Those actions coupled with her Iraq war vote and speech of support give some pause as to what she would do if commander in chief.

Hopefully these concerns are worthy of noting and addressing by her campaign in a meaningful way.

[creon]

64. Agreed

I do not want a third land war in Asia.

i hope that the chaos in Libya taught her a lesson.

[WDIM]

51. Hillary's foreign policy has created more terrorist

and has made our country and the world less safe.

Every foreign policy decision she has supported has brought disaster for the countries involved.

[PufPuf23]

65. Hillary Clinton pals with Kissinger and Kagan and

the Hillary Clinton contingent in the Democratic Party and at DU think this is acceptable?

Hillary Clinton is not of character to be POTUS nor CIC.