Is Jimmy Carter going under the Limousine today?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

I heard on CNN he was spilling the T on all of her war hawkish foreign policy. Carter was a president of peace so it must sting even more from him

[CentralCoaster]

1. The Pope and now Carter- GREAT endorsements!

[MineralMan]

4. The Pope has endorsed Bernie?

Do you have a link?

[stevenleser]

83. There won't be a link because it hasn't happened and wont happen.

Zero chance the pope endorses in this election or most any election globally.

[Sheepshank]

9. And this is exactly why there have been post after post clarifying

...That the POPE Is not behind the invite...because people like you immediately jump to the wrong conclusion and then are starry eyed and dishonest enough to put it in writing.

[Kelvin Mace]

80. *sigh* The Pope did NOT endorse Sanders

He is attending a conference at the Vatican at the invitation of a senior Vatican official.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

90. The pope's aide invited him

Suffice to say the pope was aware and approved of it

[CentralCoaster]

91. Exactly. I think it's naïve to think that a major figure visiting would not need Papal clearance.

And so, by my count, we now have three great endorsements:

The Pope, President Carter, and President Obama, with all of these being implied endorsements as they are not figures whom would be expected to make explicit endorsements but by their statements or actions, or lack thereof, strongly imply a preference!

Four major figures.... On deck, the Dalai Lama?

[seaglass]

92. Wrong.

“I would have invited Hillary Clinton too if I thought she would accept,” Sorondo said, adding that he did not consult the pope on the Sanders invitation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-ties-his-advocacy-for-a-moral-economy-to-the-work-of-pope-francis/2016/04/09/1082454e-fe58-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html?postshare=5551460219544263&tid=ss_tw

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

93. I don't trust Washington Post... Find a non-biased source and I'll consider it.

[seaglass]

94. I don't play fetch. If you are interested in truth instead of boosting your candidate you can

always use google.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

95. I did and Reuters did not say what Washington Post did. Something is fishy about that. nt

[seaglass]

97. How about the English translated Italian wire service ANSA?

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/vatican/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-to-pope-conference_9ebdb599-8f62-4e92-9863-e4670359f6d0.html

(ANSA) - New York, April 8 - White House hopeful Bernie Sanders said Friday he will be attending a conference in the Vatican next week chaired by Pope Francis.
Vatican Spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said no meeting between Sanders and Francis had been currently scheduled.
He said the Democratic candidate had been invited not by the the pope but by the Pontifical Academy of Social Scviences to the Centesimus Annus (100th year) forum along with other political, social and economic personalities.

Look the reporting on this was and is horrible. You can believe what you want to believe.

[Kelvin Mace]

99. Suffice it to say

the Pope may have been aware of it, and if he was, he probably approved.

Those points are, however, irrelevant.

But what IS relevant is that "approving" of him being invited is NOT the same as "endorsing" Sander's views.

Look, he's my choice, and only choice in this race. That said, we have to live in the real world where words have actual meaning, or we are no better than those we oppose.

[MineralMan]

2. No, he's not.

He's more than welcome to speak his mind, as far as I'm concerned. And, if Hillary becomes the nominee, President Carter will endorse her. So will Bernie Sanders. Some things are more important than duking it out during a primary campaign.

Truly they are.

[Fumesucker]

3. I don't think the talking points have been coordinated yet

This one is a toughie, quite a bit of liberal voting public is fond of Carter.

[MineralMan]

6. I'm very fond of Jimmy Carter.

He's speaking his mind. Good for him. After the convention, he'll be endorsing the nominee, too. It's hardly a single-issue primary campaign. President Carter should speak as he chooses to speak. He's earned it.

[Hiraeth]

24. Earned it? I thought free speech was a right. You make it sound like a privilege.

[MineralMan]

27. As a former President, he has earned the right to

comment on primary candidates and to be heard. Of course anyone can say anything they wish. One can, however, earn the right to be heard when one speaks. Jimmy Carter has certainly earned that. But you knew what I meant, anyhow.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

32. So has his view of Hillary Clinton's foreign policy affected your views on Hillary?

Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Do you now believe everyone here who was calling her a Neocon Warhawk?

[MineralMan]

58. No, it has not. But thanks for asking.

[QC]

13. We will know the moment the new snarking point memo comes out though.

You never have to wait along around here.

[yourpaljoey]

76. Carter is big medicine

Real Dems (yes, I recall what the party used to be) recall him well, and fondly

[Sheepshank]

5. Why not show or provide a link, where he is being thrown under the bus.

I've yet to see anything of the sort on DU.

[bahrbearian]

7. Yet.

[Sheepshank]

11. Go ahead book mark this thread and post a link when you finally see anything on DU Nt

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

39. Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1698053

[Hiraeth]

66. lol

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

10. I'm asking not declaring...

I have seen what happened to Cornel West, Stan Lee, and Nina Turner for starters

It seems when someone high profile flips to Bernie, Clinton people turn on that surrogate.

Same thing with the pope all weekend they've been attacking Vaticangate, so I'm expecting the same about Jimmy Carter.


Carter has an amazing museum here to the east of downtown Atlanta along Freedom Parkway. It is the perfect tribute to a man dedicated to peace and justice

[Sheepshank]

14. Making up shit and predicting the future based on DU dislike for Cornel West...

..... Vs an overwhelming affection for Carter is completely disingenious for making a false prediction.

Why not wait for an actual action before deriding it, rather than assuming. Oh wait never mind, it's important to insult a Hillary supporter even before they have done anything, to create a false narrative.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

22. Well I am not aware Cornel West was disliked before this primary...

But I did see Nina Turner being belittled rudely in the Hillary Clinton group. What did Nina Turner do to deserve that? Nina is a passionate strong woman who stood with her morality and changed her endorsement to Senator Sanders!

And the Pope has been attacked here ever since he endorsed Sanders too.

[MineralMan]

63. The Pope has endorsed nobody, and will not.

Where did you get the idea that he had endorsed Bernie Sanders, anyway?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

77. He knew Bernie was running for president...

And yet he invited Bernie to his convention. I think it is an implicit endorsement of Sanders

[MineralMan]

78. For the last time, the Pope did not invite Sanders.

Do you know how many conferences are held by the Vatican? There is no endorsement of a Democratic Candidate for the nomination being issued by the Pope, implicit or explicit. The Pope never endorses political candidates and is not about to start now.

You keep saying that Bernie was invited by the Pope. That is simply not true. I wish you would stop claiming that it is.

It's nice that Bernie will attend this conference. Good for him. But it's not at the request of the Pope, for pete's sake.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

81. The Pope is like the CEO of the Vatican...

To act like he is ignorant of what goes on in his organization is an over simplification

[CrispyQ]

8. "...under the Limousine..."

It took me a minute.

[Nye Bevan]

12. Jimmy Carter is more than welcome to weigh in on the primary race as far as I am concerned,

and to share his opinion as to who would be the better president.

[senz]

84. Well that's refreshing.

Thanks.

[Bonobo]

15. You think my OP was hidden because of vomit or because Hillary's own words are sickening?

Is a vomit gif more disgusting than Hillary's disgusting words:

"the Iraqis were given the greatest gift that one human can give to another human -the gift of freedom"

-Hillary Clinton, 2008

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

16. She said that?

[Bonobo]

18. Look it up. She sure as hell did and my Op was hidden.

Maybe you would so kind as to make an OP. I think if you didn't know than perhaps many others didnt as well.

People need to and have the right to know what kind of a person she is.

[SamKnause]

21. I was on the jury.

I was very aware of what she said.

She is disgusting beyond belief.

I voted to leave your post.

[senz]

85. I didn't know your OP was hidden and am sorry.

I recently had a totally bogus hide as well, but it wasn't an OP; it was a cute and friendly joke. Certain folks seem to be in a very bad mood, of late. Hopefully, whatever virtual harm they do to us is nothing compared to the electoral agony that drives their disgusting and unforgivable behavior. I didn't know a gif that is supplied by this very site for our use can now be alerted on and hidden. But of course, anything can be hidden, and we have no recourse. I am certain they alert not on the content of the comment but on resentment toward the commenter.

So let us double down to defeat the worse candidate and elect the better candidate.

And let us support one another as we make our way through sometimes icky surroundings.

[think]

17. Good for Carter! Hillary is a known neocon war and regime change kind of leader.

That legacy should stay with Bush and Cheney.

[senz]

86. Yes, why would we give her a chance to muck things up even worse?

I prefer the candidate with healthy instincts and sound judgment.

[Gomez163]

19. Yes take advice from the guy that got steamrolled by Reagan

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

20. There were variables beyond his control in that election...

Reagan ruined this country so please don't praise Reagan.

[Hiraeth]

26. wow

and how did you vote in that election?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

28. I'm guessing if they were alive then that they voted for Reagan.

Reagan and Hillary have very similar platforms.

[Hiraeth]

29. takes some nerve.

really wanted to post something else but, decided it wasn't worth the hide.

[Gomez163]

33. Yes support a guy who just criticized the last two Dems to get reelected.

[Hiraeth]

36. Hitler didn't appreciate criticism either.

[Gomez163]

47. Carter had 65 senators 300 congresspeople and he still couldnt

get anything done

[Hiraeth]

49. that was then. this is now. do try to keep up, dear.

[Gomez163]

50. The subject is Carter, which was THEN. Do try to follow the thread.

[Hiraeth]

57. sounds like Carter has always been under your bus. why so upset about it now?

[Gomez163]

60. Because he is criticizing better people.

[Hiraeth]

64. his betters. how royal of you.

[Gomez163]

68. No. Better people. Better at winning elections.

[Hiraeth]

69. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

[Seeinghope]

98. Better than winning elections?

Are those the standards that you live by? Cheat, steal, lie....anything to get elected? Like your main squeeze Hillary Clinton? A woman that as Secretary of State gave arms contracts to foreign countries for billions of dollars in donations to the Clinton Foundation. Then again as Secretary of State being involved in an uranium deal with Russia and how they received a massive amount of uranium from Wyoming while The Clinton Foundation received another hefty donation.

These are the people that you support that you say are winners. People that you admire.

Jimmy Carter spends his time building houses for poor people. Not trying to figure out how he can get richer using the American People' support. Nice set of values to feel proud of.

[senz]

71. Actually, the subject is Hillary Clinton.

[senz]

87. Criticism of people and criticism of policy are different things.

Now you just settle down and think about it.

[Gomez163]

30. the Democrat.

[Hiraeth]

34. cool story, bro.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

38. congratulations. you just made the prediction upthread come true.

[dsc]

25. In regards his criticism of Obama and Hillary

I would ask him given that Netanyahu was Israeli Prime minister for all but 2 months of Obama's presidency, just what he expected either Obama or Hillary to do in regards to peace.

[riderinthestorm]

31. Hillary's not looking for peace in the I/P mess. She's besties w war criminal Netanyahu

And vows to host him at the White House asap if she's president.

I will do everything I can to enhance our strategic partnership and strengthen America’s security commitment to Israel, ensuring that it always has the qualitative military edge to defend itself. That includes immediately dispatching a delegation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to meet with senior Israeli commanders. I would also invite the Israeli prime minister to the White House in my first month in office.

Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/national/324013/how-i-would-rebuild-ties-to-israel-and-benjamin-neta/#ixzz45RFApzWY

Read the entire article. Its enough to make you weep.

[Gomez163]

35. And why he didnt have more helicopters for that rescue mission??

[tabasco]

40. Carter didn't plan the mission, genius.

High-ranking officers planned the mission and Carter trusted them, just like Obama and Osama.

[Gomez163]

45. No he micromanaged it. He himself

said the helicopter line

[tabasco]

53. That's a right-wing lie

and you should be embarrassed to post it here.

https://books.google.com/books?id=rUVZ-_J5sHwC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=cater+micromangae+iran+mission&source=bl&ots=u1P8RGWEAT&sig=-2hnxEB2X4r20TVguF7CRn_3llY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIrK-7y4TMAhVCkIMKHT8HDLsQ6AEIOTAF#v=onepage&q=cater%20micromangae%20iran%20mission&f=false

[Gomez163]

59. He even micromanaged the tennis courts. Keep your abuse to yourself

[Viva_La_Revolution]

41. wouldn't that be the Military's fault?

I was young then, but i sure do remember the republicans loved using that helicopter line.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

42. And they accuse us Sanders supporters of parroting RW talking points

Wow, thanks for that; I wasn't born then so I didn't know that.

[Gomez163]

43. Im still pissed at him

[Viva_La_Revolution]

44. how old were you at the time?

[Gomez163]

46. 22

[Viva_La_Revolution]

51. I was eleven then. I voted for Carter in our class election probably cause Grandpa

used to call Reagan that 'fake cowboy' while we watched the evening news together everyday.

A few years ago I did go back and read the facts, was pleased to learn that Oompa was right all along.

[Gomez163]

48. Carter used it too

[Viva_La_Revolution]

52. wrong. he actually added one right before

In his new book, A Full Life, Carter describes the critical decision he made in early April of 1980, as his reelection hung in the balance and “the Iranians failed to follow through with an agreement to transfer the hostages, and on April 11, I called my advisers together and we agreed to move ahead with the rescue mission. My last suggestion was that we add another helicopter, giving us two more than necessary.” But even that wasn’t enough—as the mission was launched, a helicopter crashed on takeoff, swerving into a C-130 plane, killing eight crewmen and forcing Carter to announce the so-called Desert One mission had failed.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/jimmy-carter-cancer-121563#ixzz45Rh1rZGJ
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

[Gomez163]

55. Nope said it in an interview years later

[Viva_La_Revolution]

61. so, the quote from his book doesn't count? please link to that quote you claim exists

[Gomez163]

62. Here ya go sparky

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/politics/jimmy-carter-iran-hostages/

[Gomez163]

70. That seems to have quieted things down

[Doctor_J]

37. Uh-oh. Make room under the bus for another good and decent pacifist and humanitarian

Carter lives in a modest house in Plains, too. Doesn't appear to have been raking in quarter-million dollar stipends for telling wall street criminals what they want to hear. He's not one of us!!!!!

[SheilaT]

54. What am I missing here?

What is "spilling the T"?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

56. Sorry... It means speaking the truth (Spilling the truth)

[blm]

65. Actually, Carter evolved on the issue.

He was not as liberal in the 60s and 70s as many now think. In fact, he governed as a conservative Dem, which is why Kennedy primaried him.

[Jitter65]

67. CNN...Carter??? Where, when? How short our memories are.

I love the man and respect him greatly for his social positions and work. At the same time, as no one is perfect, he made his fair share of missteps. Especially concerning the former Shah of Iran. One could say that Carter is totally responsible for the Iranian belligerence toward the west today. You know, if you go back far enough into anyone's past you can find something to not like about them. And you could blame Reagan's rise on Carter's Presidency. I am sure had Clinton preceded Reagan that would be happening now. Let's get real...we are dealing with today's candidates in today's political climate. And that is what voters should be using to weigh their decisions.

[senz]

73. Today. Time website. Carter said Hillary as SOS did very little to bring about peace.

That's your candidate, isn't it? Open your eyes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511696186

http://time.com/56770/jimmy-carter-jesus-christ-iran-putin-clinton-kerry/

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

75. Thanks for posting the link...

They mentioned it a little bit on CNN as well

[senz]

82. I've learned to do the obvious --

when I don't know what's going on, I just do the old control/F on the GD-P page. I saw your OP, was intensely curious, went through my usual "why doesn't anybody ever tell me anything?" snit, then calmed down and searched on "Carter."

I seriously appreciate your creativity, liveliness, and ability to find interesting videos/web sources. You are giving this place the lightness and levity it desperately needs. You're like yeast to bread. So glad you found us. Don't ever leave, okay?

[Hortensis]

88. So what? HRC did not invest heavily in the

usual Mideast peace pursuit. It's true. She was very involved in changing conditions in the middle east in other important and achievable ways. For instance, she was at the lead of planning and implementing the actions that eventually lead to the Iran nuclear deal (and that Kerry gets to have under his name).

But no magnificent peace treaties of the sort that would get whole books written about them as a legacy. President Carter thought she should do more. She and President Obama had their own ideas about how her four years would be spent.

This isn't a slam. It's the way it is.

[senz]

89. Nonsense. HRC pushed Obama into the Libyan disaster

damaging his presidency and then voiced serious reservations over his (not her) Iranian agreement.

Her instincts lean toward war mongering and her judgment has proven to be abysmal.

She is by no means aligned with Obama on these issues.

This isn't a slam. It's just the way it is.

[beedle]

74. Sorry,

your theory for this is?

[Kelvin Mace]

79. Anyone who speaks against The Chosen One

will go under a fleet of buses.

[Kalidurga]

96. He will be ignored by Hillary supporters for sure

They will concentrate on minimizing Bernie's trip to the Vatican instead. And pushing the narrative that if you don't vote for Hillary you are a sexist pig even if you are a woman and vote for women even if you have a history of voting for women for president.