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I'm watching Bernie on This Week with George Stephanopolous. He made the following statement: (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 OP
Stir it up, nt. Broward Apr 2016 #1
It is like there is a break down in the synapses. artislife Apr 2016 #25
OK, then, what did he mean by that? Adrahil Apr 2016 #30
Means that most of her votes came early in the South artislife Apr 2016 #39
Southern voters tend to be more Conservative, that's why we get DINOs there all the time Dragonfli Apr 2016 #42
Cringe...Sander's support calling southern voters DINOs...the irony...n/ter Henhouse Apr 2016 #105
No, not the voters but many of those running for office in red states, you hadn't noticed that? Dragonfli Apr 2016 #113
Yes, it DOES appear that Sanders has been having trouble Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #37
Wall St. enid602 Apr 2016 #56
Wonder if he'll tone it down a bit in the coming days, Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #64
Sorry, that statement was very much on message for the Sanders campaign. merrily Apr 2016 #72
He's correct here, though. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #98
Sanders should take care not to verbalize a marginalization of Southern States Sheepshank Apr 2016 #44
I don't think he's marginalizing them. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #60
Does Hillary marginalize Utah? She didn't campaign in Utah primary nor did Obama in 2008 GE imagine2015 Apr 2016 #66
I live in Utah Sheepshank Apr 2016 #76
Smart campaign management, nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #99
When it comes to electoral college math, they kind of don't matter. Sorry. reformist2 Apr 2016 #2
So you vote other than Democrat? notadmblnd Apr 2016 #10
Yes, YOUR SIMPLE CONCISE Answer Is The Only Reasonable Response... The Rest Is NONSENSE! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #34
Don't matter to Democrats because they go Republican in the general. merrily Apr 2016 #70
Like I said...tell that to my Congressman, Jim Clyburn...n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #93
Remind me: In which Presidential general election did Clyburn get the state's electoral votes? merrily Apr 2016 #94
Nevermind....I follow all the elections...not just the one every four years...N/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #97
Please see Reply 102 and, again, please do try to focus. merrily Apr 2016 #106
Obama won VA and FL twice and NC once dsc Apr 2016 #82
Evidently not! n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #3
Pandering to New York. As has been mentioned here before, MoonRiver Apr 2016 #4
Please explain to me how that comment is pandering. notadmblnd Apr 2016 #13
Subtle dig at the "low information confederate states". nt oasis Apr 2016 #55
That too. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #67
Baloney. Southern states go Republican in the general is the point. merrily Apr 2016 #74
Are you for real....There's a lot more than the presidential election at stake... Henhouse Apr 2016 #95
Please focus: The thread is about Presidential candidates in a Presidential primary. merrily Apr 2016 #102
Actually it is about Sander's dismissing southern votes...which.. Henhouse Apr 2016 #107
ACTUALLY, he specified that Hillary's Presidential primary wins were in Southern States and the OP merrily Apr 2016 #111
Um... theres's what? Three Senate Democrats from the South? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #104
He obviously sees merit in continuing to drop that in BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #5
What it means is that voting in the south is over.... Bernie is doing well in the rest of the states virtualobserver Apr 2016 #6
It means a lot of votes came from the south Perogie Apr 2016 #7
Is it possible that these are the states that are going R in the GE anyway? Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #73
What that means is she's getting Autumn Apr 2016 #8
Context would be helpful. GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #9
It means she's getting more votes. Period. Vinca Apr 2016 #11
The West is lost to her, if we are going to go even further. artislife Apr 2016 #26
I think it means those votes from the south won't help as we lose those states in the GE anyway. EndElectoral Apr 2016 #12
It means he's trying...desperately..to divide Democrats. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #14
You mean you think he is now doing PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #21
And Hillary is bringing in the neocons. Robert Kagan already endorsed her. What next? think Apr 2016 #28
I think this is it exactly - link the South to Hillary - and the Union, er, I mean the North to him DrDan Apr 2016 #59
It means she pulled ahead early and that those votes came from the South. GreenPartyVoter Apr 2016 #15
Well he doesn't mean red states because he counts those votes. Must mean AA votes n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #16
Hateful. nt artislife Apr 2016 #36
He also said "Fracking" and then went off about the minimum wage. IamMab Apr 2016 #17
Yes, because is supposedly is a one-issue guy, right? Wrong. djean111 Apr 2016 #24
Hey...please stop. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #18
My point is this. It is unlikely that either of the Democratic candidates would be able to win the Arkansas Granny Apr 2016 #23
Bernie thinks they are, but knows they have already voted northernsouthern Apr 2016 #47
"sounds to me that Bernie thinks those voters are unimportant in selecting the Democratic nominee" - thesquanderer Apr 2016 #65
OF COURSE HE MEANT "THE SOUTH DOESN'T COUNT"!!! TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #19
If It Weren't For Your Name ... srobert Apr 2016 #54
Well played! Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #79
people in the south matter lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #20
Well the U.S. Is broken into multiple regions rufus dog Apr 2016 #22
Some people are gonna hear what they want. NWCorona Apr 2016 #27
Here I will help since you asked! Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #29
Nicely done. Scuba Apr 2016 #31
He sounded angry and was talking very fast KingFlorez Apr 2016 #32
Quoting some of the posts in GeeDeePee! LOL! Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #43
Fast Talking Yankees srobert Apr 2016 #58
He just can't help himself. Open mouth, insert foot... Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #33
It's understandable that non progressive votes would come from the South. Lint Head Apr 2016 #35
It means you are making a mountain out of a mole hill to coverup Bill Clinton. B Calm Apr 2016 #38
He isn't a Clinton, so you don't need to read more into it. Jackilope Apr 2016 #40
Good point...We've become used to candidates who never speak directly as humans Armstead Apr 2016 #51
No. LWolf Apr 2016 #41
Thank you for this clear post. eom PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #50
It's a secret code only actual progressives can understand. 99Forever Apr 2016 #45
It means she's got more votes, and a lot of it came from the South. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #46
dissing the majority of black voters there bigtree Apr 2016 #48
You are delusional or dishonest. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #52
How about Bernie, who VOTED FOR that crime bill? MoonRiver Apr 2016 #69
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Armstead Apr 2016 #49
Well said SHRED Apr 2016 #53
+100 Myrina Apr 2016 #89
Seems like a pretty straightforward statement. And a true one. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #57
Name recognition. She had it. In those states voting early. Momentum. Bernie has it now. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #61
It means Obama could not carry the south in the GE and Hillary won't if she captures the nomination. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #62
"She's getting more votes..." jcgoldie Apr 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author MoonRiver Apr 2016 #71
uhm jcgoldie Apr 2016 #84
Sorry, I need to read posts a little more carefully. You are spot on! MoonRiver Apr 2016 #101
Southern states are unlikely to go Democratic in the general. That's been posted here for weeks. merrily Apr 2016 #68
Neither will... jcgoldie Apr 2016 #86
I haven't checked lately, but Bernie won by a large margin over Trump in Utah in one poll and merrily Apr 2016 #87
Pretty sure comparing primary vote totals between the 2 parties is meaningless jcgoldie Apr 2016 #90
Maybe, maybe not. But, before November, head to head polls are the only predictors we have. merrily Apr 2016 #91
this has nothing to do with head to head polls jcgoldie Apr 2016 #108
? A primary poll comparing a Republican with a Democrat is often referred to as a head to head poll. merrily Apr 2016 #112
Obama did not campaign in Georgia Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #120
Bernie will get well over 90% of the Black vote in the General Election. imagine2015 Apr 2016 #75
so why is it jcgoldie Apr 2016 #85
Sanders and his camp are divisive. riversedge Apr 2016 #77
Congratulations! You just got my ignore of the day award. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #78
Might as well ignore me too delicate flower....I'm in South Carolina...n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #80
It's a factual acknowledgement. Honestly. snowy owl Apr 2016 #81
I suspect it has to do with the false meme that Hillary uses based on "total votes" where the word Attorney in Texas Apr 2016 #83
According to some of Sen Sanders' supporters they don't mcar Apr 2016 #88
My vote comes from the south and my congressional district has been electing Rep. Jim Clyburn Henhouse Apr 2016 #92
Your vote matters as it should in the primaries, because it's a primary election between Dems. All in it together Apr 2016 #114
It means our Southern states will never go blue. Period. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #96
Right...Because Arkansas never elected Bill Clinton and Georgia never Elected Jimmy Carter...n/t Henhouse Apr 2016 #103
You need to update your calendar. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #110
Typical of Clinton supporters to turn a fact... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #100
Guess that... chillfactor Apr 2016 #109
See post 114 All in it together Apr 2016 #115
He also said "strawman purchases" while discussing guns which made me cringe. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #116
Sounds like a simple statement of fact to me. arcane1 Apr 2016 #117
Humm when is it okay to mention 'race'? beedle Apr 2016 #118
YAWN. The South is more conservative, so more attracted to Hillary's more conservative TheDormouse Apr 2016 #119
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
25. It is like there is a break down in the synapses.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

It reminds me of reading the posts in a Yahoo News article. The depth of critical thinking would fit in a teaspoon.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
30. OK, then, what did he mean by that?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

Was it just a throw-away, meaningless line?

Let's hear your in-depth analysis.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
39. Means that most of her votes came early in the South
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

His are later and in the West and Midwest.


Thanks for proving the size of the spoon.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
42. Southern voters tend to be more Conservative, that's why we get DINOs there all the time
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Or more honest Republicans that actually register in their own party rather that ours, usually we get the latter and seldom does the south help us in the General election, like almost never seldom.

I wish people with more political knowledge posted here, it saves time not having to give electoral politics 101 lessons all the time. That being said, I still don't mind educating you.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
113. No, not the voters but many of those running for office in red states, you hadn't noticed that?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

It has even been lectured here by many that the only way to win in a red state is by being more "blue dog" Conservative on the issues. Such explanations are usually given in a Condescending manner by Conservative Democrats themselves while defending certain politicians that have blocked Democratic bills put forth by Obama in the Senate or during similar instances when long time Democrats like me get frustrated by Dem on Dem obstruction of liberal legislation.

It is considered not only impolite, but misleading to put your own words in the mouths of others. Please stop.

I merely pointed out the fact that southerners tend to vote more Conservative, I do not think this is unknown or contradicted by many that follows US politics. If the truth makes you feel uncomfortable, then perhaps you also tend to vote more conservatively and have thus become defensive, that is only a guess but if true, please don't take it personally, it was not aimed at you personally, it was merely a statement of fact regarding the general voting habits in a certain region. I would also add that no region or group is monolithic and there are some "more liberal" Democrats that vote in that region as well, simply not as many.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
37. Yes, it DOES appear that Sanders has been having trouble
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

staying on message and not putting his foot in his proverbial political mouth.

Perhaps he's feeling the mental strain and fatigue.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
56. Wall St.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

Historically, his message has been heavily anti-Wall St and the business model of capitalism is greed. Not the best message to take to New York and surrounding states.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
64. Wonder if he'll tone it down a bit in the coming days,
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

or if he'll just go on spouting his one-note refrain?

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
98. He's correct here, though.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

I'm a Southerner. I know my state will never vote for the Queen in the general. End of story.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
44. Sanders should take care not to verbalize a marginalization of Southern States
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

Especially When he knows full well, the black vote was pivotal in those Southern States. His tone deaf messaging continues, and the AA community in the rest of the nation will feel that same sting he just inflicted on the southern POC voter.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
60. I don't think he's marginalizing them.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

I think he's stating the facts.

Hillary is sort of a Southerner, having lived in Arkansas.

Dems don't do that well in the South but Clinton did for the same reason.

Sanders is a yankee with a NY accent, sort of like Kerry was.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
76. I live in Utah
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

It's not insulting at all given the very small number of delegates to be awarded, the strong support and numbers favoring Bernie. Add to that the unnecessary cost to fund a losing state and realizing that in the GE, Utah is as bright red as they get. Nope not offended at all at that decision.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
2. When it comes to electoral college math, they kind of don't matter. Sorry.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:26 AM
Apr 2016

Just like my vote in Massachusetts doesn't usually matter, since the state almost always goes Dem no matter what.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
82. Obama won VA and FL twice and NC once
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

he won 42 EV in 2012 and 57 in 2008. Meaning he won about 15% of his EV there in 2012 and close to 20% in 08.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
67. That too.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:54 AM
Apr 2016

As a transplant from TX to the Midwest I can attest to the fact that we Southerners are not all low information voters. For instance, in my immediate family we had/have: one M.D., 5 Ph.Ds, 2 Masters degrees, and 2 Bachelors degrees (the latter have always been embarrassed about their "lack of education.&quot

Henhouse

(646 posts)
95. Are you for real....There's a lot more than the presidential election at stake...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:01 PM
Apr 2016

I wish I remembered who said it but some Sanders supporters act like this election is a Coachcello that happens every four years.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
102. Please focus: The thread is about Presidential candidates in a Presidential primary.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:06 PM
Apr 2016

The question is what Presidential candidate Bernie meant by specifying that the Presidential primaries won by Presidential candidate Hillary were all in the South. My answer was about Presidential electoral votes, which was on topic. No clue why you think the subject of this thread is Clyburn's Congressional district or anyone's Congressional district or elections in general. Oh, and my ability to remember the subject of the OP and to post replies on topic says nothing negative about me or any other Sanders supporter.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
107. Actually it is about Sander's dismissing southern votes...which..
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

will effect down ticket candidates if he wins the primary....To think otherwise is incredibly narcissistic...but hey that defines Bernie.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
111. ACTUALLY, he specified that Hillary's Presidential primary wins were in Southern States and the OP
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

asked the meaning of that comment. The meaning of his comment is what the thread is about. Can't help it if some Hillary supporters totally twisted, as usual missed the meaning of Bernie;s comment, but the thread is about his comment. And his comment was, OF COURSE, not about dismissing all Southern votes. This is a man who thinks voting is so important that he wants it to be a day off from work. He's not going to dismiss votes. Get a clue.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
104. Um... theres's what? Three Senate Democrats from the South?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

And maybe a handful of Congresspeople? All of whom are from majority-minority districts.

We're basically red, period. I know this. I'm a Southerner.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
5. He obviously sees merit in continuing to drop that in
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

There isn't any. By the way, Hillary can relate; getting blown out of the South is how she lost last time. And Barack Obama's GE prospects weren't compromised in the least by the importance that the South played in the nomination contest.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
6. What it means is that voting in the south is over.... Bernie is doing well in the rest of the states
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

It means that Bernie can win.

Perogie

(687 posts)
7. It means a lot of votes came from the south
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

Pretty simple, unless you are trying to make it mean something else.

Can you read Bernie's mind and know exactly what he meant or are you trying to make it sound like Bernie hates the south.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
73. Is it possible that these are the states that are going R in the GE anyway?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

George Snuffallotofus is just another over paid corporate puppet

Autumn

(45,096 posts)
8. What that means is she's getting
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

more votes, a lot of those votes came from the South. Yes, obviously all votes matter. What do you want it to mean?

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
9. Context would be helpful.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

Well, she's getting more votes. A lot of that came from the South.

But if you look at the polling out there, we do a lot better against Trump and the other Republicans in almost every instance -- not every one -- than she does. And the reason is that we both get a lot of Democrats, but I get a lot more Independents than she does.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
11. It means she's getting more votes. Period.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

If you're going to create another faux issue, we can wonder why Hillary is alienating the northern states.

EndElectoral

(4,213 posts)
12. I think it means those votes from the south won't help as we lose those states in the GE anyway.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

Electorally, that's been the case overall since the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
59. I think this is it exactly - link the South to Hillary - and the Union, er, I mean the North to him
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016
 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
17. He also said "Fracking" and then went off about the minimum wage.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

He can't even keep track of his own talking points any more. Sad, really.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
18. Hey...please stop.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

I am from the south, from your state too, any you well know our racists state has a history of Red...
http://www.270towin.com/states/Arkansas

If you look at the chart you can see very oddly the votes for Dems dropped off around the time of the Dixiecrats leaving the party in 1948. It continued down until we became red. Billy won twice...but as of now Arkansas is as Red as the HRC camp wants to paint Sanders.

How odd Obama lost by so much each time? 58.72 for McCain and 60.7% to Mitt? Only support along the the delta? How very odd? I wonder why? I know plenty of people in Arkansas that did not vote for him...something about they were afraid the south would not vote for a black man.

It also may have to do with the south distrusting the North since Carter won the South one election? But please put your specter of the south doesn't matter back in the closet with all the bad sh@t our state did in its past.

BTW did your Arkansas school have the trail of tears running through it too? Ours did, I wonder if that was a good trail? Could you remind me, why were people crying on it? Was it because they were so happy to be in Arkansas a place where their vote would count?

Arkansas Granny

(31,517 posts)
23. My point is this. It is unlikely that either of the Democratic candidates would be able to win the
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

southern states in the GE. However, to point out that much of Hillary's support comes from those southern states sounds to me that Bernie thinks those voters are unimportant in selecting the Democratic nominee.

BTW, I don't see where you trail of tears comment has anything to do with this conversation.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
47. Bernie thinks they are, but knows they have already voted
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016
southern states in the GE. However, to point out that much of Hillary's support comes from those southern states sounds to me that Bernie thinks those voters are unimportant in selecting the Democratic nominee.


It is the very opposite, the southern vote went first and fast, they created a narrative of Hillary and anyone that pointed out that the south does not support the Dems in the general election and the north had yet to vote was labeled a racist. They had in fact made it so their voice didn't count. Also did you vote for Obama in both elections and in the primaries? How well did that work? How important was your vote? It is your right to get offended by what ever you like. I for one am offended by people creating a narrative about this to call us racist. I know plenty of racists, they are all over, but I sure found them quite quickly when I was in the south...some just a branch or two away in the old family tree.

BTW, I don't see where you trail of tears comment has anything to do with this conversation.


You ask why does it matter? Well I am pretty sure the Native American vote in Arkansas does not matter, why? Because we removed them all, I went to a school knowing that people died under our soil being forced to walk from as far as (well they got a boat part of the way) Florida.

Most Native Americans were forced to leave Arkansas during the Indian Removals of the 1800's. These tribes are not extinct, but except for the descendants of Arkansas Indians who escaped from Removal, they do not live in Arkansas anymore. They were moved to Indian reservations in Oklahoma instead. If you click on the link for each tribe above, you can find more information about them.


Where did they end up? Oklahoma...which voted for Bernie.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/2/1494912/-Bernie-won-the-non-black-PoC-of-Oklahoma-vote-55-39

I include this because of the narrative you seem to be trying to spread about the southern vote mot mattering to equate with racism. I am tired of it, He was our governor for 10 years or so, during his run all the black people in our town lived in one little government housing project that had been there for a long time, right below a confederate cemetery. We went to the high-school in Little Rock a few times, it had metal prison bars on all of it's windows, it had a walled in field. Helena looked so painfully poor, it was like nothing had changed. When people try and paint this narrative about the south they are glossing over much of the horribleness that is there in parts. They make it look like a horrible old white jew from the north is repressing the free south. News flash, the south ain't free, it still suffers under the ghost of its past. In fact the amount of anti-antisemitism I grew up under, the religious pamphlets with the horrible drawings of jews that were handed out in my school bus by fellow students. This is digressing a bit but I love the fact that the guy that discovered the cause for Pellagra in the south was scoffed at because he was Jewish...too bad they did not listen to him because he was right...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goldberger




thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
65. "sounds to me that Bernie thinks those voters are unimportant in selecting the Democratic nominee" -
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

- sounds to me like your own wishfully negative interpretation. Why not Post #6's "What it means is that voting in the south is over.... Bernie is doing well in the rest of the states" and similarly Post #15's "It means she pulled ahead early and that those votes came from the South."

The fact is, most of her strongest support comes from one region of the country. Bernie's support is much more broad. One can make that point without being dismissive of southerners.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
19. OF COURSE HE MEANT "THE SOUTH DOESN'T COUNT"!!!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, how else could you interpret "A lot of that came from the South" other than complete disgust and disregard for every American who happens to live south of the Mason-Dixon line??? There's just no other interpretation that makes any sense! I'm series!!1!1!111!

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
22. Well the U.S. Is broken into multiple regions
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

NorthEast, Mid Atlantic, MidWest, Mountain West, West, etc.

The South is the region across the lower U.S. from Louisiana through the Florida Panhandle.

Bernie is saying that Hillary won these States in the early primaries and ran up the vote count.

It is really that simple, a politician giving a reason for why he has fewer votes.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
29. Here I will help since you asked!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton has gotten a lot of votes. Many of the primaries and caucuses she has won thus far were in Southern States. Hillary has not won as many of late althought she is still getting some wins. Hillary is strong in southern states. Bernie seem a bit stronger in the mid-western states and we have yet to see who will carry the eastern states or west coast

There is that a bit easier to understand????

Have a nice Sunday!

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
32. He sounded angry and was talking very fast
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

It was like listening to someone off of DU talk in an interview.

 

srobert

(81 posts)
58. Fast Talking Yankees
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

People in the South talk more slowly. Bernie always sounds angry (because he is). Perhaps he's talking too fast for many southerners to get the gist of what it is he's angry about. If they knew what he was angry about they would vote for him.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
33. He just can't help himself. Open mouth, insert foot...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

Seems to be a daily occurence now.



He's gone badly off message. Get his handlers to reign him in.

Calling Jane, calling Jane...

Jackilope

(819 posts)
40. He isn't a Clinton, so you don't need to read more into it.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

Perhaps all the little innuendo from Clinton-speak is automatic to question what the opposition says.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
51. Good point...We've become used to candidates who never speak directly as humans
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

Some people don't know how to "interpret" someone who says what he thinks.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
41. No.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

If he thought they didn't matter, he wouldn't have campaigned there.

I'm not sure why you'd come to that erroneous conclusion. He stated 2 facts: 1. She's got more votes so far. 2. She got many of them in the South.

These things are true. Why do you feel you need to spin them to mean something more, or something different?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
45. It's a secret code only actual progressives can understand.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

DINOs, neoliberals, neocons, and Rethuglicans have no clue what it means.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

He was asked about Clinton's lead. He replied that much of it came from the South.

That is just the "math."


He has stated elsewhere that they knew Clinton had an inherent advantage in the south, and his campaign had to set priorities during periods where there were simultaneous primaries. They focused on the states where he had a better chance. A pragmatic decision.

Any other hidden meanings or secret racist code is solely in your own mind.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
57. Seems like a pretty straightforward statement. And a true one.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

He wasn't trying to say southern votes don't matter, but simply that although Hillary has done well in the southern states, those primaries are over. In other words he expects to do better in the remaining elections. Don't read into it something that isn't there.

Hiraeth

(4,805 posts)
61. Name recognition. She had it. In those states voting early. Momentum. Bernie has it now.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

Going forward and moving on .... meanwhile ....

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
62. It means Obama could not carry the south in the GE and Hillary won't if she captures the nomination.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

You think she can do better than Obama among Black voters in the solid Republican south?

Response to jcgoldie (Reply #63)

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
84. uhm
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

Pretty sure we're on the same side. My point was that Sanders supporters are fond of pointing out that he inspires certain demographics that democrats will need to get to the polls in November such as young people. Then they make reference to her victories in southern states as somehow related to the 150 year gone confederacy, implying these states are more conservative and won't vote democrat in the GE anyway so those wins somehow mean less. Leaving aside the fact that most of the mountain west where most of his recent caucus wins have taken place will also be red in November, the reason her lead is nearly insurmountable at this point is not because she won in the south. It's because she won by huge margins in the south making it very difficult for him to counter those margins even if he can rack up wins in the west and northeast. The basis of those roughly 70-30 margins is that she's winning with people of color by tremendous percentages and there are a lot of them in those places. Of course minorities are just as important for democrats to inspire in November as young people or independents, but it somehow obscures this dynamic by calling them the confederacy or saying she only wins in "the south".

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
86. Neither will...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

Wyoming, or Idaho, or Oklahoma, or Nebraska, or Kansas, or Utah, or Alaska.

On the other hand, Florida and Ohio and Virginia could be sorta important.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
87. I haven't checked lately, but Bernie won by a large margin over Trump in Utah in one poll and
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

I have not seen polls for the other states you named. Also, you seem to have left out New Hampshire, which is also purple state.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
90. Pretty sure comparing primary vote totals between the 2 parties is meaningless
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary beat Trump by a wide margin in Georgia for example. Doesn't make it any more likely to flip in November, although recent trends suggest it will be closer than Utah.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
91. Maybe, maybe not. But, before November, head to head polls are the only predictors we have.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

But, what is your point here? The OP is about the meaning of the comment Bernie made about the Southern states and we seem now to be pretty far off that topic.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
108. this has nothing to do with head to head polls
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

You were comparing the relative support for Trump and Sanders in the Utah caucus. Turnout in the primaries and caucuses on either side is what has been shown to be meaningless. We'd better hope that's the case whether we are for Clinton or Sanders because GOP turnout this spring has been up. It's a reflection of how competitive the race is not who will win in the fall. And if you think Utah will turn blue for Sanders there's some oceanfront property for you there as well.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
112. ? A primary poll comparing a Republican with a Democrat is often referred to as a head to head poll.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

That kind of poll is what my prior posts 87 and 91 were obviously about. They had nothing to do with turnout during primaries and caucuses.

Meanwhile, I had assumed we were having a discussion, but I was obviously mistaken: Tell you what. You save the gratuitous condescending snark and the oceanfront property in Utah for people who think voters will turn out in 2016 for Hillary.

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
120. Obama did not campaign in Georgia
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

However, he came close to winning. Georgia will win before Texas...and Bernie will not take Florida, Virginia or Ohio in my opinion.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
75. Bernie will get well over 90% of the Black vote in the General Election.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

Does anyone dispute that?

If fact, he would do better than Hillary among African-American and other non-white voters in the General Election .... unless Hillary and the Democratic Party National Committee sit on the sidelines and refuse to help Bernie mobilize voters.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
85. so why is it
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

That we can assume the black vote is in the bag for Bernie despite the fact very few actual black voters are voting for him, and yet we are simultaneously to assume young people and independents will not vote for Clinton at all?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
78. Congratulations! You just got my ignore of the day award.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

The prestigious award is reserved for the dumbest post of the day. It's early, but you win.

You project Hillary's MO onto Sanders. The Clintons have always been divisive, especially on race. Of course you missed her 2008 anti Obama performance and Bill's historic Sister Souljah show.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
83. I suspect it has to do with the false meme that Hillary uses based on "total votes" where the word
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:26 PM
Apr 2016

"total" means "not a total" but means something like "votes only count from primary states and from a few caucuses but excluding votes from numerous caucus states."

Hillary built up a lot of votes in the states of the the Bible Belt (the 13 states of the former Confederacy) which have less progressive Democrats than the rest of the nation and which are all primary states and not caucus states.

Henhouse

(646 posts)
92. My vote comes from the south and my congressional district has been electing Rep. Jim Clyburn
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

Representative (D-SC 6th District) since 1993.

So tell me again how my vote doesn't matter?

All in it together

(275 posts)
114. Your vote matters as it should in the primaries, because it's a primary election between Dems.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

And it's not winner take all. The second person gets some of the delegates to the national Democratic Convention, that chooses the party's nominee.

In the general election Republicans usually win in the southern states and it is winner take all for one candidate in the electoral college. So anyone in any state who votes for the candidate that came in second is not given any votes in the electoral college from their state.
It doesn't matter the total number of votes the candidate gets, just the number of states they win and get their electoral college delegates.
It is unfortunate that so many people have so little say in red and blue states, if they are for the other party.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
100. Typical of Clinton supporters to turn a fact...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

...into an attack. Did she NOT get more votes in the south?

chillfactor

(7,576 posts)
109. Guess that...
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders does not think anyone living in the south has a brain.....what a horrendous statement he made.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
118. Humm when is it okay to mention 'race'?
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:26 PM
Apr 2016

So let me get this straight, when the Bernie side mentions "ghettos' and their unequal association to 'race' in the American historical context that's a no-no, but if you talk about poverty and the poor you are criticized because the focus is on 'poverty' instead of 'race'?

Then if Bernie side talks about "The South" the Hillary side says you're disrespecting Blacks, but when the Hillary side talks about superpredators this is about 'all criminals' and has nothing to do with any specific 'race'?

Will the Hilary camp release a whitepaper on the rules of discussing issues of race ... "Ghettos and SuperPredators" must NEVER mention 'race', "The South and Poverty" you must ALWAYS mention race ... anything else?

TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
119. YAWN. The South is more conservative, so more attracted to Hillary's more conservative
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

message.

K-I-S-S

Bernie's made this same point in a number of interviews and speeches.
It was not meant to demean Southern voters in any way.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Sanders cast his performance as part of a Western comeback, saying he expects to close the delegate gap with Clinton as the contest moves to the more liberal northeastern states, including her home state of New York. He also said his campaign is increasing its outreach to superdelegates, the party insiders who can pick either candidate, and are overwhelmingly with Clinton.

"The Deep South is a very conservative part of the country," he said. "Now that we're heading into a progressive part of the country, we expect to do much better."
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/e31234eb416546dabd902ea4ce07eb14/sanders-seeks-caucus-trifecta-win-close-delegate-gap
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