Why wasn't Hillary Clinton invited to the Vatican?

[closeupready]

Just curious.

New York City and State are heavily Catholic, so it would have been trumpeted by her team.

[texastoast]

1. Because she doesn't care much for the poor?

Maybe that is it?

[quantumjunkie]

64. ^^^^this

[dchill]

2. It might trigger the Apocalypse.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. They can't afford her speaking fees.

[closeupready]

5. !! Ha, I think that's it.

[daleanime]

55. Yeahup.....

[revbones]

4. Well, don't some religions believe that tale about bursting into flames on holy ground? nt

[840high]

6. ....

[Kalidurga]

9. That was my guess.

[LuvLoogie]

7. Because she doesn't have one of her foreign policy advisors presenting at the conference and

"helping the Vatican reach out to" her?

Except the Vatican didn't invite Bernie. It was the chancellor of the Academy of Social Sciences.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

10. Who? Kissinger? nt

[LuvLoogie]

15. Is he presenting at the conference?

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

22. The Pope's aide is Bernie's foreign policy advisor? nt

[LuvLoogie]

25. No. Dr. Jeffery Sachs is.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

28. Sachs didn't invite Sanders, Sorondo did (the Pope's aide)

And Jefferey Sach's isn't a foreign policy expert, as far as I can tell reading up about him.

[LuvLoogie]

33. Sorondo reports to Margaret Archer at the Academy. This is an Academy function.

Jeffery Sachs is one of Sanders' foreign policy advisors.

edit to add: and I didn't say Sachs invited Sanders. I said the chancellor did.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

40. I think you have it backwards...

I read that Sorondo was the superior of Margaret Archer and that Sorondo was an aide to the Pope. How is Sachs a foreign policy advisor he looks to focus on issues of sustainable development in developing countries? And how does Sachs attending have anything to do with Sorondo and Archer agreeing to extend Sanders an invitation?

[LuvLoogie]

48. The Pope appointed Margaret Archer President. Archer was not advised of the invitation.

Jeffery Sachs' is identified as foreign policy advisor to bernie sanders on a March 31 Morning Joe apparrance where he slams Hillary Clinton the day after he secured the invitation.

[w4rma]

68. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis … Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

"I deny that. It was not that way," Monsignor Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo told Reuters in a telephone interview while he was traveling in New York. Sorondo, a close aide to Pope Francis, is chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences, which is hosting the event.
…
"This is not true and she knows it. I invited him with her consensus," said Sorondo, who is senior to Archer.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-vatican-idUSKCN0X5257

[LuvLoogie]

71. The Vatican is not involved.

The Vatican, however, said it had nothing to do with the invitation.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman told the Italian news agency Ansa that the Academy of Social Sciences invited Sanders, not Pope Francis, and that His Holiness doesn't plan to give the senator an audience...

Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the academy's chancellor, said he arranged for Sanders' invitation, although Bloomberg reports that the bishop "repeatedly declined to say who initiated the contact."

edit to add link:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/so-who-exactly-invited-bernie-sanders-to-the-vatican

edit to add; that there is no quote indicating what her knowledge was

edit to add bloomberg article

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

Sanders, who has made economic disparities the centerpiece of his campaign, earlier on Friday said, “This is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he’s raising on the need to have morality in our economy.”

[LuvLoogie]

80. As chancellor, he is not Senior to Margaret Archer who is the President.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/statutes.html

Art. 1
The Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences was established by the Holy Father John Paul II on 1 January 1994 (AAS 86 [1994], 213), with the aim of promoting the study and progress of the social sciences, primarily economics, sociology, law and political science. The Academy, through an appropriate dialogue, thus offers the Church the elements which she can use in the development of her social doctrine, and reflects on the application of that doctrine in contemporary society. The Academy, which is autonomous, maintains a close relationship with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace.

[w4rma]

120. Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences

Marcelo Sánchez Sorondo is also an Argentine Catholic bishop.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_S%C3%A1nchez_Sorondo#Decorations_and_honours

Archer is only the President of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences.

[LuvLoogie]

125. Look at the Academy articles of constitution

[LuvLoogie]

78. According to the constitution and bylaws of the Academy Margaret Archer is the Chief executive:

Art. 9
The President is nominated by the Supreme Pontiff, to whom he reports directly. The President remains in office for five years and his mandate may be renewed. He is directly assisted by the Chancellor, who is nominated by the Supreme Pontiff.
The President represents the Academy and directs its progress. He is responsible to the Supreme Pontiff and maintains contact with the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace. He convokes and chairs the Council of the Academy as well as the sessions, and implements the Council's decisions.
The President can choose a substitute among the other Academicians who are members of the Council to preside at the sessions. The President may delegate one or more Academicians to represent the Academy, when and in the manner he deems fit.
Art. 10
The Council of the Academy consists of the President and five Academicians appointed by the Supreme Pontiff, on the proposal of the President, after consultation with the Academicians. Their term of office lasts five years. They may be reappointed.
In addition the following are members of the Council durante munere:
- the Chancellor appointed by the Supreme Pontiff;
- the Delegate of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace;
- the President of the Foundation for the Promotion of the Social Sciences.
These three members attend the sessions of the Academy with the right to vote. The Council assists the President in everything concerning the direction of the Academy, especially in planning the work and preparing the meetings; it receives the reports on the financial resources.

http://www.pass.va/content/scienzesociali/en/about/statutes.html

[grossproffit]

23. Sadly, his is the only name they know.

[polly7]

24. You mentioned her advisers.

Which ones, warhawk Kissinger ..... PNAC Kagan?

[LuvLoogie]

34. Neither tried to politicize this event for Hillary.

[polly7]

35. As compared to what they DID advise her to do ................... what a snoozer!! nt.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

36. Well... neither were invited in the first place...

Kissinger would be laughed out of the Vatican. He should be in jail for war crimes to be honest.

[LuvLoogie]

44. This isn't about Kissinger, or Hillary really. It is about the actions of Bernie's

foreign policy advisor, Dr. Jeffery Sachs.

[Kittycat]

60. Are you Calling the statement from the Vatican a lie?

This is like derangement syndrome.

[LuvLoogie]

65. Here. From the Pope's spokesman:

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman told the Italian news agency Ansa that the Academy of Social Sciences invited Sanders, not Pope Francis, and that His Holiness doesn't plan to give the senator an audience.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/so-who-exactly-invited-bernie-sanders-to-the-vatican

The Academy is not the Vatican.

[Kittycat]

73. It's a Vatican sponsored event.

I never mentioned the Pope, did I? Do you know how to separate things? Quit running yourself in circles. This whole thing is looking like lunacy at this point, and doesn't reflect well on your candidate. He was invited, plain and simple. Get over it, let it go.

[LuvLoogie]

76. you didn't mention the Pope, but Bernie did.

Sanders, who has made economic disparities the centerpiece of his campaign, earlier on Friday said, “This is an invitation from the Vatican, from a pope that I have enormous respect for in term of the level of consciousness that he’s raising on the need to have morality in our economy.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation

edit to add: The Academy is Autonomous. The Vatican is not involved.

[daleanime]

57. Can he walk on holy ground?

[LuvLoogie]

92. He could present via satellite. Is he?

[polly7]

93. Why should he? nt.

[LuvLoogie]

95. Correct!! Because this isn't about Hillary or Kissinger!

It's about Jeffery Sachs and Bernie. You're getting there!

[polly7]

97. What exactly are you going on about?

[LuvLoogie]

100. Did you even read the OP? It's not very long.

[polly7]

101. Yes.

I still have no idea what you're going on about though?

[LuvLoogie]

103. Let me assist you then. My responses start with response number 7. you can read on from there.

[polly7]

104. No thanks. nt.

[LuvLoogie]

106. Okay. My responses will be there if you change your mind.

[polly7]

108. I won't. I asked, you tell me to go find it myself. Sorry ....... not THAT interested. nt.

[LuvLoogie]

116. You don't have to go find it. It's right there! Clearly labeled and divided into

neat little subthreads. Easy Peasy Lemon Squeezy

[polly7]

117. I have to be up in five hrs. Maybe I'll look Mon. morning.

Have a good one!

[LuvLoogie]

118. Not on Monday! What a way to start the week! Ugh!

g'night

[revbones]

91. So as a close advisor to the Pope and Bishop and chancellor he's not part of the Vatican? rofl...

[LuvLoogie]

94. Would you believe the Popes spokesman?

The Vatican, however, said it had nothing to do with the invitation.

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman told the Italian news agency Ansa that the Academy of Social Sciences invited Sanders, not Pope Francis, and that His Holiness doesn't plan to give the senator an audience.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/so-who-exactly-invited-bernie-sanders-to-the-vatican

[rachacha]

8. The Podesta Group refuses to work with the Vatican on moral grounds

It would sully their good name

[NuclearDem]

11. Because she doesn't need a hilariously obvious attempt to pander to the East Coast's Catholics.

[closeupready]

41. Oh, I think she does, very much - she's on a losing streak.

[jfern]

12. Her speech on the idolatry of money would have cost the Vatican $500k

[CoffeeCat]

82. and she would have required the Vatican

to turn on a big white-noise machine so no-one could hear or record what she said.

[polly7]

83. I don't even know if they make them that big.

[CoffeeCat]

84. She would also require

several industrial-sized fans blowing and ACDC's "Highway to Hell" to be blaring throughout the room.

So, that would be a no-go.

[polly7]

85. Yeah I don't think she'd have much of a shot there.

[CentralMass]

131. She is a poster child for it.

[CentralCoaster]

13. Her team, it's rumored, tried their little hearts out, and on more than one occasion.

The Vatican was not amused.

And, to be honest, they made the right move.

Hillary adds nothing, nothing whatsoever, to the conversation at hand.

[jwirr]

19. +1

[reformist2]

45. So it's Hillary that tried to invite HERSELF, isn't it?

[CentralCoaster]

47. The Art of War. Accuse your opponent of your sins.

She does this a lot.

[LuvLoogie]

49. The President of the Academy, Margaret Archer, asserts that Sanders initiated the contact.

You are conflating women.

[CentralCoaster]

51. Aaaaaand her filthy lie was promptly refuted.

By her superior, the person who actually sent the invitation, Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo.

[LuvLoogie]

61. Not according to the Pope's spokesman:

Father Federico Lombardi, the Pope's spokesman told the Italian news agency Ansa that the Academy of Social Sciences invited Sanders, not Pope Francis, and that His Holiness doesn't plan to give the senator an audience.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-04-08/so-who-exactly-invited-bernie-sanders-to-the-vatican

[reformist2]

50. Now I'm wondering if Margaret Archer tried to get Hillary in, and Archer was told no way.

That would explain her incredibly sour comments about Bernie the other day.

[CentralCoaster]

52. That would make a lot of sense. bt

[PADemD]

70. Margaret Archer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027747432

After reading about her, I think I can see why she would have a sour attitude.

[NanceGreggs]

53. Ooooh ...

... the "some people are saying" approach.

Care to provide the links to any factual basis for this assertion?

[zappaman]

127. Really?

And you know this how?

[amborin]

14. didn't the Pope reject an invitation from the Clinton Foundation?

[amborin]

17. here:

Lodestar (1,750 posts)

Pope Francis turned down Clinton Foundation invite
... oh my, that is embarrassing!
-------------------------------------------------------------------
September 26, 2015

A number of high-profile notables, including Elton John and Pope Francis, turned down invitations to attend the Clinton Foundation's upcoming event in New York, according to Politico.

The foundation tried to invite Pope Francis to its glitzy Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) gathering New York, and wanted to present British rock star Elton John with an award for his work to combat AIDS, but both figures declined the invitations.

The organization has been embroiled in controversies surrounding its fundraising initiatives, and the report suggests many celebrities are trying to distance themselves from the group.

Hillary Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, is also stepping back from the group as she runs for the White House.


//

The foundation also wanted either Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen or French economist Thomas Piketty to deliver a presentation on income inequality, but both declined.

cont'd
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/255058-elton-john-pope-francis-turned

[grasswire]

59. BOOM nt

[ViseGrip]

20. Yes, see post below, by ViseGrip

[amborin]

27. LOL! here's another even more damning report:

Clinton Foundation snubbed by the pope, Elton John, Janet Yellen

Charity struggling to regain luster amid political scandals

By Kenneth P. Vogel and Noah Weiland

The Clinton Foundation invited everyone from Pope Francis and Leonardo DiCaprio to Bill de Blasio and Janet Yellen to its showcase gathering starting Saturday in New York City, according to multiple sources familiar with the planning.

But those invitations were among the dozens turned down by all manner of celebrities, dignitaries and donors, according to the sources, who said the controversies swirling around the foundation and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign have made some bold-faced names and donors wary of the foundation.

The glitzy Clinton Global Initiative gathering in New York, which has the lofty title “The Future of Impact,” was supposed to have been a celebration of the accomplishments of the $2-billion Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation’s past work as it pivots towards a future with Chelsea Clinton at the helm.

Instead, it’s become emblematic of the foundation’s struggles to regain its luster, while scaling back some of its ambitions and restructuring amid heightened scrutiny of its internal workings, the diminished role of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the prospect that former president Bill Clinton also could be forced to step back.


“They've had a lot of rejections from people – both for membership renewals and speaking roles this year between the campaign, Hillary not being at CGI this year, bad press,” said one person who has worked on planning foundation events.

Foundation officials shrugged off questions about the rejections, explaining in an email “We’re extremely pleased with the response to our invitations. This year’s line-up is extremely strong.”

snip

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/clinton-foundation-snubbed-pope-elton-john-janet-yellen-214091

[closeupready]

43. Thank you! I had not seen this.

Cheers.

[ViseGrip]

16. The Pope speaks of the addiction of money, ruining nations everywhere.

The greed.

Lots of talk of the laundering of money for arms sales, like the arms used right now by the Saudi's in Yemen. Awful. So the killing for resources too. The Pope speaks out against all the embodies the Clinton's. She did not have to do speeches to Wall Street if she was going to run. Bill was, and they had plenty of money.

Look at cross post:

Pope Francis, Elton John turned down Clinton Foundation invites

Just want to illustrate the differences between Clinton policies and Sander's policies

the Vatican see them as different as Night and Day

The foundation tried to invite Pope Francis to its glitzy Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) gathering New York, and wanted to present British rock star Elton John with an award for his work to combat AIDS, but both figures declined the invitations.

Hillary Clinton the Democratic front-runner, is also stepping back from the group as she runs for the White House.

“They’ve had a lot of rejections from people – both from membership renewals and speaking roles this year between the campaign, Hillary not being at CGI this year, bad press,” one person who has helped plan events for the organization told Politico.


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/255058-elton-john-pope-francis-turned-down-clinton-foundation-invites
**********************
The Pope did not invite Hillary for the same reason he declined her invite for him to attend the Clinton Foundation Gala.

[polly7]

21. +1000. nt.

[jwirr]

26. Excellent points. Plus the charitable rating organizations do

not give the Foundation the greatest rating. As to the idolatry of money and poverty are not her favorite subjects.

[amborin]

32. greed like this:

[WDIM]

75. Exactly the Clinton support of PNAC neo-con

foreign policy and regime change has wrecked four countries now and created more poverty and devastation while making the very few extremely wealthy.

[think]

18. If they wanted a rebuttal they'd go straight to Lloyd.

[AgerolanAmerican]

29. the exorcists are already overbooked

nobody was available to receive her

[beedle]

30. It would be harm her with her Wall St. donors

if her Vatican Transcripts ever got out.

[TheBlackAdder]

31. Miguel D. Lewis wouldn't release his intellectual property rights.

.





.

[Hoyt]

37. Yeah, like Sanders is a friend of South Americans. He can't stand them getting auto jobs there, and

those who come here for a better life are treated like scabs.

[delrem]

105. Oh wow, now Hoyt is a friend of labor.

I'll bet Hoyt has spent a lot of years racking up experience in union building.
I'll bet Hoyt has done a lot of deep thinking, so can explain how Hillary Rodham Clinton is a friend of the working class.

[Hoyt]

113. Let me American unions care about workers in poor countries. If the workers

in poor countries can't pay enough in dues, all those unions with "international" in their names are silent. American unions, like Sanders and most of his supporters, view workers in poor countries as competition and scabs.

[delrem]

115. You lie.

You're a fucking freeper.

[Desert805]

138. Wow.

That post took some balls... or just lacked a lot of thought.

[Hoyt]

139. When you accept Sanders is a Nationalist, America First kind of guy, it all starts making sense.

Truth is, we have taken more than our fair share of the world's resources and wealth. Most Americans, certainly the middle class on up, are the 1%ers of the world. Yet when some poor country desperately needs investment and jobs, folks like Sanders are all too ready to block it. You gotta quit looking at things from just America's perspective. Truth is North and South Americans are all Americans. And, in my view, we all are part of a global world and we need to figure out how to make it work like that. Nationalists couldn't care less about other countries, or their people.

[Desert805]

144. Bernie hates poor people. Go Hillary?

Jesus, these boards lately...

[BillZBubb]

38. You rascal, you! We all know why Hillary wasn't invited to a conference condemning greed.

Now, if it was a conference endorsing greed, she'd be at the top of the invite list. Anyway, she has all kinds of fundraisers covering that position.

[pokerfan]

96. She could argue the Gordon Gecko position

[brooklynite]

39. Why wasn't Bernie?

...as an actual speaker I mean.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

42. He is giving a speech on the "Idolatry of Money"...

The Guardian reported on it.

[brooklynite]

46. I'm aware that HE says he is...

...but there's nothing in the program that supports that claim.

[TM99]

111. I am going to revel

in all the fucking crow you are going to be eating soon!

Fan-fucking-tastic it will be.

[LuvLoogie]

54. Prediction: Jeffery Sachs gives up time during his scheduled presentation to Bernie Sanders

for an ad hoc speech. It will not be on the schedule because it was never intended to be. This was a a free-lance effort by Sachs.

[polly7]

56. LMAO!

Now that's some quick thinking! Damage control for if and when he does speak, eh?

You are funny.

[LuvLoogie]

98. Here's the program.

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

[brooklynite]

58. Sachs isn't scheduled to speak either...

[LuvLoogie]

90. The Program indicates his paper is going to be presented at 10 am on Friday

and discussed throughout the morning.

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

9:00 Word of Welcome
PASS President Professor Margaret Archer and Professor Daniel Finn
9:15 New Challenges and New Concerns since “Centesimus Annus”
H.Em. Cardinal Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga
10:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Economy Since 1981
Author: Professor Jeffrey Sachs
The fall of the Soviet Union was the major economic backdrop of Centesimus annus. Much has occurred economically
since. What are the most salient changes in global economic life and how well does the economic insight of Centesimus
annus illuminate those changes? What do recent economic crises and recent changes in economic thinking suggest for
the near future of economic life?
10:30 Session #1: first respondent Professor Javier Iguíñiz
10:45 Discussion
11:00 Coffee Break
11:30 Session #2: second respondent Professor Stefano Zamagni
11:45 Discussion
12:00 General Discussion
13:15 Lunch

I would think he would certainly participate in the discussion at least. But that is perhaps too early for Bernie to partake in that discussion.

[FrenchieCat]

62. She's been there, done that.....

?w=780

[polly7]

69. She spoke with him then on worldwide poverty, income disparity, climate change?

Where and when was this?

[polly7]

77. I just did a google image search.

Hillary and President Bill Clinton greet the Pope at the Sacred Heart Cathedral in Newark New Jersey.
October 4, 1995.

She didn't speak on anything.

[FrenchieCat]

79. Thank you!

It's ok.....I'll live!











?30004eeab9fb5f824ff65e51d525728c55cf3980



?w=620

[polly7]

81. Wow ............ the Pope is a master of disguise.

Who knew? I'd never seen him without his loose and comfie whities, so thank YOU!!

(Would you happen to also have transcripts for these meetings at the Vatican?)

[FrenchieCat]

88. LOL!

Hillarious!

[polly7]

89. I was serious.

I thought you were too.

[sheshe2]

107. Beautiful.

I thank you~

[panader0]

142. Which one is Steve Leser?

[delrem]

109. And then she put it behind her. A winner through and through.

She went on to take in a couple hundred million dollars for speaking and graft, and she went on to escalate George W. Bush's neocon wars, which she agreed on deep in her soul. She's such a saint.

[Dragonfli]

63. Because Hillary Clinton's religion is the cult named "The Family" And her Pope is Doug Coe

What that cult teaches is antithetical to what the discussion Sen. Sanders was invited to is about. They believe the Rich are Ordained by God to Rule. Hardly the type of advocate that would welcome let alone be welcomed to such an event and regarding such topics.

Sen. Hillary Clinton has been involved with the Family since 1993 when, as first lady, she joined a White House prayer circle for political wives. Clinton has also sought spiritual counseling from the current head of the Family, Doug Coe. Sharlet argues that Clinton's longtime association with the Family has helped her forge working relationships with powerful religious conservatives such as Family member and anti-abortion crusader Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

The Family nurtures the next generation of prayer warriors in suburban dormitories. Sharlet spent nearly a month living at Ivanwald, a dormitory in Virginia where sons of the Family are sent to immerse themselves in Jesus and clean the toilets of congressmen and senators.

The Family also runs a house on C Street in Washington, D.C. The C Street Center has housed a number of federal legislators, including Sen. John Ensign of Nevada. Residents allege that the center is just a cheap place to live, but as an Ivanwald brother, Sharlet saw firsthand that the center is a religious community. As far as the IRS is concerned, the C Street Center is a church.

Members will tell you that the Family is just a group of friends. As Sharlet discovered, 600 boxes of documents at the Billy Graham Center Archives tell a different story.

AlterNet writer Lindsay Beyerstein recently sat down with Jeff Sharlet at a Brooklyn coffee shop to discuss the Family.

Lindsay Beyerstein What is the Family?

Jeff Sharlet: It's an international network of evangelical activists in government, military and business. The Family is dedicated to this idea that Christianity has gotten it all wrong for two thousand years by focusing on the poor, the suffering and the weak.

The Family says that instead, what Christians should do is minister to the up-and-out -- as opposed to the down-and-out -- to those that are already powerful. Because if they can win those people for Christ, they win the whole deal. That's what this network is dedicated to. It includes nonprofit organizations, it includes think tanks, it includes various ministries.

Lindsay Beyerstein: Where did they get the idea that they should be ministering to the up-and-out? There doesn't seem to be a lot basis in Christianity for that view.

Jeff Sharlet: Two places. The founder of the Family, Abraham Vereide, would describe it as his "new revelation" that came to him in the middle of the night, very literally: in a vision from God in 1935 in response to the Great Depression and, more particularly, to a series of very successful labor strikes that he saw as challenging God's sovereignty. So, God comes and gives him this new revelation to say, "This is what I really meant"...

More

[CharlotteVale]

67. Funny how God always tells these self-serving sociopaths exactly what

they want to hear.

[Prism]

66. There would be transcripts n/t

[JI7]

72. i'm guessing they don't invite many women there

[JTFrog]

74. + infinity. n/t

[sheshe2]

110. Nailed it!

Boom!

[ContinentalOp]

86. Oh no, she wasn't endorsed by an elite, misogynistic theocracy?

I was going to make up my own mind on who to vote for, but if the Vatican has spoken, I guess I should fall in line with the whims of a foreign conservative religious organization! Progressive!

[closeupready]

87. Right! Because SEXISM!!!!!

[ContinentalOp]

99. Ha!

I'm not saying she wasn't invited because of sexism, but since the vatican is undoubtedly a sexist conservative organization, why should I care what they think of our candidates? I'm speaking from an atheist point of view and I understand why some catholics would feel differently. I just think it's bonkers that so many people are taking it as a given that this is somehow important. Especially the supporters of the supposedly more progressive candidate who shouldn't be so excited that their candidate is associating with a religious oligarchy! I'm trying to think of what the reaction would be if Hillary were traveling overseas during the NY primary to visit with the leader (or maybe not really?) of an extravagantly wealthy, anti-gay, pro-life religious order!

[BainsBane]

102. Because she isn't an expert in the Centesimus Annus

and why on earth would she leave the country right before a crucial primary just to go to an academic conference? You know the Pope won't be there? It's a bunch of academic theologians talking about an important text by John Paul II and how they see developments since then.

Frankly, it's bizarre that Bernie accepted the invitation, and it has become increasing clear he had no idea what he agreed to attend. I think we'll probably see him back out.

[ucrdem]

114. Yes, it is odd, and I agree with your prediction. nt

[ucrdem]

112. Because she doesn't have Bernie's knack for, er, showmanship?

I'm guessing she didn't express interest in attending this or any other international conference smack in the middle of a campaign. Why Bernie would is not hard to guess.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

119. this should be posted in the Religion Forum

[MFM008]

121. First of all he should have never gone to congress

Francis should stay out of all politics. Left, right , center. All popes should.
For GODS sake stay out of American politics.
Its the only way to stay above the fray.

[Betty Karlson]

122. Because war and greed are her two tricks - and neither sit very well with the Prince of Peace. eom

[seaglass]

123. Sorondo didn't think she'd accept. Neither do I.

“I would have invited Hillary Clinton too if I thought she would accept,” Sorondo said, adding that he did not consult the pope on the Sanders invitation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-ties-his-advocacy-for-a-moral-economy-to-the-work-of-pope-francis/2016/04/09/1082454e-fe58-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html?postshare=5551460219544263&tid=ss_tw

[Sky Masterson]

124. Because she is part of the problem

Period.

[CentralCoaster]

136. Precisely. The topic being social and wealth inequity, there's no place there for her.

Except, perhaps, as a counter-example of how to lead impactful change.

She is an object lesson in just what's wrong with the world with respect to greed, inequity, environmental negligence.

[RandySF]

126. Because she did not go out and ask for a spot like Sanders did.

[giftedgirl77]

128. Bc she didn't request an invite?

[Buzz Clik]

129. Why was Sanders forced to beg for the invitation and then pretend the Pope did the inviting?

[Else You Are Mad]

130. Because the pope HATES war Hawks... nt

[robbedvoter]

132. Was any candidate invited?

How comes I wasn't invited?

[99Forever]

133. Well, they didn't invite Kissinger or Lucifer either.

There's that.

[pdsimdars]

134. She works for the other team. You know them by their works.

[Beacool]

135. Maybe because she didn't ask to attend?

I frankly don't care about this issue.

[karynnj]

137. Why did she not go there as SoS, like Kerry did

Kerry has actually worked on many issues with his counterpart in the Vatican, including things like Cuba and human trafficing.

[Vinca]

140. They didn't offer any speaking fees?

[kstewart33]

141. Because she didn't have a Catholic advisor to lobby for an invite. nt

[winter is coming]

143. Does the Pope do exorcisms? n/t