I have my own question about Sanders' trip to Rome

[RandySF]

Is he traveling to Rome with his own money, with campaign funds, or on the taxpayers' dine?

[bkkyosemite]

1. Ask Hillary what money she is using to fly all over the country and to Mexico for

fundraising. geeze....

[Hortensis]

69. Agree. Rome is a campaign trip as valid as

speaking in a conference hall in Buffalo. Bernie is not cancelling engagements left and right and flying around the planet to actually talk about fresh water supplies in Uganda.

[NWCorona]

2. What answer would bug you the most?

[beam me up scottie]

19. LOL!

[Purveyor]

26. {{{chuckle}}} I want some of those too... eom

[TheFarS1de]

49. /end thread

[jillan]

59. I can't stop laughing!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

70. Obama is lending him Airforce One

some of us held a yard sale

[DisgustipatedinCA]

73. This is the best possible answer to this idiotic OP.

[bvf]

112. !

[revbones]

3. This the new talking point? Already seeing multiple threads. Pretty weak sauce indeed. nt

[DemocracyDirect]

4. Interesting question...

And if you were paying attention to the informative threads yesterday, you would already know....

Any of the three would be perfectly appropriate and totally legal.

Thanks for playing!

[RandySF]

25. Was this information thread posted during the day?

[Bluenorthwest]

27. I've been asking you and other Hillary folks if you asked this about Obama's enormous Berlin

event which certainly must have cost his campaign a huge amount of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars. Did you? If not then why ask it about Bernie who is not staging a huge event but just attending a conference? What's so different about Bernie?

[RandySF]

30. I asked a simple question.

And instead of just answering, a lot of energy is being expended throwing tantrums. I don't have time to browse through DU in the middle of a weekday.

[AgingAmerican]

38. Your OP is a tantrum

[Duckhunter935]

79. Just pointing out the hypocrisy

Sorry if you do not like it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

5. It's on his website if you bothered to look. N.U.N.Y.F.B. funds are paying travel expenses.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. He's flying Air ISIS Flight 666 with funds taken from the local Marine's Toys for Tots office.

.


These OPs are getting more BASIC as the hours progress.

.

[BainsBane]

9. It is a legitimate question

Considering: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1687572

[TheBlackAdder]

11. It's a dumbassed question that is causing people to scurry about chasing shiny baubbles.

.


All the concern about a single flight when politicians make a dozen of them in a week.

No one questions when they fly from coast to coast, but somehow there is a neurotic fixation on this flight!


.

[BainsBane]

50. They fly between their home states and DC

Because they work in DC and represent districts elsewhere. They are not, however, allowed to take vacations to Italy or anywhere else on congressional funds. Nor are they allowed to use those funds for campaigning. Those laws were set up to protect taxpayers and to discourage corrupt activity. Over the years, some have broken those laws and faced penalties ranging from censure to jail. As much as you all are certain the laws of mere mortals do not apply to Bernie, as evidenced by the excuses made for the many hundreds or even a thousand plus violations of campaign finance law cited by the FEC but excused or denied by his supporters, the FEC or the courts do not share the conviction that the law exempts people you happen to admire.

[Perogie]

16. You know what else is a legitimate question?

Hillary, why did you lie about sniper fire?

Hillary, why do you take so much money from private prison industry?

Hillary, why do you say you're a progressive in front of more liberal voters, but then say your more centrist when you're with conservative voters?

Hillary, why are you using white noise so people can't hear what you say to high dollar donors?

Hillary, why were you against gay marriage?

Hillary, why did you use a surrogate to call Obama a Muslim?

[beam me up scottie]

47. ^^^THAT RIGHT THERE^^^

[passiveporcupine]

68. You left off

Why did you take so much money from wall street and why won't you release the transcripts?

[Duckhunter935]

80. ^^^^this

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Here's a legitimate question. Obama and many other Presidential candidates have made overseas trips

during their campaigns, Obama had a huge Berlin rally for example. My question is did you and the others claiming this is a legitimate question for Bernie pose that question to Obama or any of the others? If not, why not and also why now?

[passiveporcupine]

55. Bingo

Um...don't expect any kind of answer real soon. If you know what I mean.

[frylock]

45. LEGITIMATE QUESTION: Where are the Transcripts, Hillary?

[peace13]

7. Trip canceled due to sniper fire.

One thing it wasn't financed with was fracking bribes. Don't worry because his schedule is free of big donor dinners. All good! you one percenters really crack me up!

[polly7]

8. Totally free ....

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Hmm so the finch was the air crew letting him know...

How did I miss that one?

[polly7]

34. I almost missed it too! But right here, about the :50 mark

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

10. His Birdies will fly him there.

[beedle]

12. The Republicans aren't this petty.

He's going to steal money from orphans!! Seriously?

Demand this much transparency from your own candidate ... where are those transcripts?

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. He's free to use as many of MY tax dollars as it takes. Are you against taxpayers funding it?

It's a legitimate question.

[cyberswede]

14. Late getting the memo?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511687572

It's like people are on time delay.

[RandySF]

17. Thank you. I was probably working

[cyberswede]

20. I apologize for being snarky.

This place is getting to me.

[thesquanderer]

72. Here's another one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511694306

[Doctor_J]

28. More like poutrage delay. How much you wanna bet this one is posted at least 5 more times?

They get more desperate by the hour.

[Duckhunter935]

81. They do tend to swarm OPs

[HassleCat]

15. His foundation is paying.

That's what Democrats do now.

[morningfog]

18. Hopefully by whichever means will piss you off the most.

[passiveporcupine]

56. I think I like this answer the best!

[Bluenorthwest]

22. What was the answer when Republicans asked that about candidate Obama's big Berlin rally?

What was the answer when Hillary asked that abut Obama's Berlin trip?

Another interesting question I have of my own is did you ask those questions of Obama? Or is it more of those 'special rules we can't explain that apply only to Bernie'?

[Doctor_J]

29. Exactly what you'd expect to hear from Limpballs

They are insufferable

[Bluenorthwest]

33. Washigton Times sure did it up:

Obama spent nearly $700,000 for stage, lights in Berlin
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/31/obama-spent-nearly-700000-for-stage-lights-in-berl/?page=all


The OP sounds very much like them.

[beam me up scottie]

23. He and Jane are using one of their many secret Swiss bank accounts.

It's where they stash the millions they made from drug running and selling organs on the black market.

That's why they REFUSE to release their tax returns.

[northernsouthern]

31. Really guys! You are "asking" about that?

I am sure if it is official then the Senate would cover it, if not he would. He flies coach, so you are really pulling at threads on this one. How many posts are you going to spam about the trip? Maybe he will ask Hillary to give the in flight safety speech and then use the $2000 dollars she would make for a 2 minute speech to pay for it?

[drray23]

37. no he does not fly coach

He may have done so before running for president. Right now he is chartering private flights during the campaign like every other candidate because its impractical to do otherwise given their schedule and security requirements.

[northernsouthern]

40. Yes he does.

My exact wording was...

He flies coach, so you are really pulling at threads on this one

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-flies-coach/

He does fly coach. I did not say he is flying coach. We are all aware that the last thing the secret service or other passengers would want is the logistics of dealing with a candidate entering the plane non stop. Imagine the flack he would get for all of the delays and people missing connecting flights. My point is he is known to not splash on extravagant things, and when it came to flying he is known to fly coach. So my point is this whole notion of flygate is soooooooooooo ridiculous.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Where's your bluster and bravado RandySF? Can't answer my questions?

Maybe you are out shopping for a new and better dog whistle?

[Kittycat]

35. Has Bill apologized to the BLM supporter yet?

Or is this just more distraction?

If not distraction. Maybe you can answer why the Clinton Foundation received donations that seemed to align with Hillary's deals as SOS?

[Nanjeanne]

36. Well I'm sure some intrepid person will find out. My take is he is probably spending his own money

but many times conference participants are given stipends or airfare or other things related to their participation.

Personally I am sure whatever he is doing - it is allowed under the law so I don't really spend any time worrying about it.

[brooklynite]

43. Conference participants who SPEAK at a conference, or deliver a paper, may get covered...

...but according to the program, Bernie Sanders is not.

[passiveporcupine]

57. Bernie is going to be speaking at the conference,

so what do you mean?

[brooklynite]

63. Show us where in the program he's scheduled to speak.

[passiveporcupine]

66. I haven't seen the program

Last edited Sun Apr 10, 2016, 04:13 PM - Edit history (2)

But I saw this and it made me think of you.

At the end of a week of rising tension between Mr. Sanders and Hillary Clinton, the Clinton campaign appeared to relish the situation.

This is what your team has been doing for a long time...relishing any little thing you think you can turn into a weapon against Bernie. It's pathetic.

Now, back to your red dot.

Oh, but wait, you may want to see this first:

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-Sanders-Vatican.pdf

above pdf link from guardian article
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/08/bernie-sanders-vatican-visit-pope-francis

edited to add:
I did just find the program, and while he's not listed under the first pages showing times of events, he is listed on page 10 as one of the "other participants".

A participant, participates, they don't just "attend". I don't know how they fit the other participants in, but you cannot say he will not be speaking when he is listed as a "participant" in the event. It's probably during the open discussion periods that the "other" participants get to give a short speech...I don't know...but he's on the program.

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

[brooklynite]

91. Here's the programme:

http://www.pass.va/content/dam/scienzesociali/booklet/centesimus_annus.pdf

Programme

FRIDAY 15 APRIL 2016
MORNING
9:00 Word of Welcome
PASS President Professor Margaret Archer and Professor Daniel Finn

9:15 New Challenges and New Concerns since “Centesimus Annus” H.Em. Cardinal Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga

10:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Economy Since 1981 Author: Professor Jeffrey Sachs
The fall of the Soviet Union was the major economic backdrop of Centesimus annus. Much has occurred economically since. What are the most salient changes in global economic life and how well does the economic insight of Centesimus annus illuminate those changes? What do recent economic crises and recent changes in economic thinking suggest for the near future of economic life?

10:30 Session #1: first respondent Professor Javier Iguíñiz

10:45 Discussion

11:00 Coffee Break

11:30 Session #2: second respondent Professor Stefano Zamagni

11:45 Discussion

12:00 General Discussion

13:15 Lunch

AFTERNOON
15:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Political Situation Since 1981 Author: President Rafael Correa
The fall of the Soviet Union and the democratization of Eastern Europe was the major political backdrop of Centesimus annus. What is the global political situation today and which elements require greater attention by both the international community and by Catholic social teaching?

15:30 Session #3: first respondent Professor Rocco Buttiglione

15:45 Discussion

16:00 Coffee Break

16:30 Session #4: second respondent Professor Hsin-Chi Kuan

16:45 Discussion

17:00 General Discussion

19:15 Dinner

SATURDAY 16 APRIL 2016
MORNING
9:00 Paper to be discussed: Changes in the World Cultural Situation Since 1981 Author: Professor José Casanova
The Church is an expert on the human person, and this insight imbued the analysis of Centesimus annus. Yet the past 25 years have seen remarkable developments in culture, with the impact of the internet, the marketization of life and culture, the importance of Islam around the world, new dynamics of secularization, etc. How ought we to think about the cultural situation today and what realities call for further reflection within Catholic social thought today?

9:30 Session #5: first respondent Professor Douglas Porpora

9:45 Discussion

10:00 Coffee Break

10:30 Session #6: second respondent Professor Margaret Archer

10:45 Discussion

11:00 General Discussion

12:15 Lunch

AFTERNOON
15:00 Paper to be discussed: How Catholic Social Teaching Engages the World Situation Author: Fr. Bryan Hehir
Like Rerum novarum a hundred years earlier, CA engaged the world situation of its day. This paper will attend to how those two encyclicals engaged the world, rather than what they had to say about the world, in order to draw out impli- cations for how CST today can most helpfully engage the contemporary situation. At the author’s option, one or more of the other anniversary encyclicals of Rerum novarum could be employed as well.

15:30 Session #7: first respondent Professor Pierpaolo Donati

15:45 Discussion

16:00 Coffee Break

16:30 Session #8: second respondent Professor Russell Hittinger

16:45 Discussion

EVENING
17:00 Paper to be discussed: The New Proposals Coming From Latin America Author: President Evo Morales
In the light of Pope Francis’ reading of the previous documents of the Magisterium, presented during the World Meeting of the Popular Movements of Santa Cruz de la Sierra in Bolivia, the author will present his proposal based on his expe- rience as a leader of the popular movements, rooted in the pre-Columbian cultural traditions and populations.

17:30 Session #9: first respondent Professor Daniel Finn

17:45 Discussion

18:00 Session #10: second respondent Professor Juan Llach

18:15 Discussion

18:30 General Discussion and Final Comments by Professor Martin Albrow

19:30 Dinner

It would appear that Jeffrey Sachs facilitated his invitation, so you'd think this would be where Sanders would appear; except he can't leave NYC before midnight, and this is at 4 AM NYC time.

[passiveporcupine]

93. I gave you the real link to the program on the acadamy's site.

It's a PDF file and on page ten it shows Sanders as one of the "other" participants.

Your program info is not complete. Please look at my link and re-read my post.

[brooklynite]

95. ...which is where I got mine. Sanders is an "other participant"...not a speaker

There five papers being presented (one by Sachs). For each, there are two formal responses, and then open discussion. I'm sure Sanders will have a chance to participate in the discussion (I wouldn't describe that as "speaking", since the time for discussion is limited to 15 minute chunks, but in any event, he won't be at the economic change session on Friday, because it's physically impossible for him to make it to Rome before 1 PM.

[passiveporcupine]

97. Just becasue he is not one of the main speakers

does not mean he won't be allowed to speak during the discussion periods. And it's possible the "other" participants (not attendees) will each be giving a small speech at those opportunities.

I've never seen one of these conventions so I don't know quite how they work. Have you?

If he was just an audience member, he would not be listed as a "participant".

From the link I gave you to the announcement, it says:

We're delighted to host this conference to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Centesimus Annus, bringing together world leaders, including US Senator Sanders, Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa, Bolivian President Evo Morales, Academicians of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences such as its President Margaret Archer, and leading scholars such as Professor Daniel Finn, Professor Jeffrey Sachs etc., to examine and discuss changes in politics, economics, and culture in the world these last 25 years

[brooklynite]

99. This is an academic conference; it doesn't have just an "audience"

EVERYONE is invited and is a "participant". And they can participate in the discussion session, but 15 minutes (TOTAL, not per person) doesn't give Sanders significant time for a speech, especially if other "participants" want to comment.

[passiveporcupine]

106. You don't have the first clue do you?

You are not involved in the communications between the Academy, and Sanders, or Sanders and his advisor who is one of the main speakers. He's even been given a topic to address, and he thinks he's giving a speech. Where would he get that idea if it didn't come from his friend/advisor, or the Academy directly?

Why are you being so rigid and obtuse? why are you so determined to call him a liar, when you really don't know the first thing about what is going on?

You know what they say about making assumptions?

I'm sure you do.

[dr60omg]

107. And lok brooklynite Morales and Correra are not speaking

The Bolivian and Ecuadorian president are not scheduled .... your point is? Oh yes you have no point you do not understand conferences like this

[brooklynite]

108. Please feel free to explain it to me...

...what will Sanders do at the conference and how will it benefit his campaign? Because if this is just a distraction, that tell's me something about his focus on the activity he chose to engage in.

[Nanjeanne]

61. Please. I do this for a living. The is not the kind of conference you all want

To make it. And besides he is speaking.

[okasha]

71. Conference participants representing an organization--

a University, for instance--are usually provided with travel expenses, hotel fees and a per diem for meals. (Been there, done that lots of times.)

Sanders is not representing an organization, so I assume he would pay his own expenses.

[Nanjeanne]

74. This is such bs. I have spent 30+ years

Producing corporate and non corporate events. What you said is ridiculous.

[okasha]

83. As someone who has given papers at,

and helped to organize, scholarly conferences, I can testify that that is exactly how it works in academia. And that's exactly what this meeting that Sanders is going to, is--an academic seminar.

I have no idea how your corporate events work, nor are they pertinent to the conference in question.

[Nanjeanne]

94. Okey dokey. You win.

[okasha]

100. It seems you missed the word "usually"

in the post you first responded to.

[IamMab]

39. I have a theory:

Where Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver sit, I do NOT want to know.

[IdaBriggs]

41. And this is your business why? nt

[pat_k]

42. Why ask here? Why don't you call his Senate office? (nt)

[JI7]

44. this sounds like the Right Wingers who complain about Michelle Obama

the bitter resentful tone that this person(sanders/michelle) is wrongly taking something away from them. and the condescending demands for answers .

[2banon]

46. Looking for a Post you wrote asking the same question about financing Hillary's trips

but couldn't find any.. did I miss that by any chance?

[Luminous Animal]

48. He is flying air seraphim wearing Givenchy

[DisgustipatedinCA]

51. Bull fucking shit. This is the same dumbfuck question that's been asked for a day.

This is assuredly NOT your original thought. All the howler monkeys have been repeating it nonstop. So don't try to add insult to injury by lying to me....mmmmkay, Randy?

[Jeffersons Ghost]

52. Then go to Free Republican and ask them in your online home [fool]

[Cha]

53. Jury..

I have my own question about Sanders' trip to Rome
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511694534

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Is Skinner still the owner of Democratic Underground? Inquiring minds "need to know."

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:29 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This issue has been beaten to death. Enough!
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am in Canada, our opinion does not count
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What the hell kind of frivolous alert is this? Quit wasting our time, Alerter!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why would anyone alert on this?
I'm a Sanders supporter and I think it's a perfectly valid question.
I'm almost positive none of us would know the answer but it isn't alert material.
And, for the record, I would gladly contribute to his travel costs.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[RandySF]

54. Seriously?

[840high]

58. Should Bernie need funds for this

trip - we will donate very, very quickly.

[jillan]

60. Without giving it a second thought.

[Bluenorthwest]

62. Everyone can see your biases. You question Bernie for doing what other candidates always do.

Obama of course went full tilt and did a massive public event in Berlin. And who questioned that? The right wing. Today you fill the shoes of the Washington Times and El Rushbaugh. Good for you.

[RandySF]

64. Of course I'm biased. But I also asked a simple question.

All one had to do was answer and that's the end of it.

[Earth_First]

65. As a Sander's supporter...

None of this is paramount to taking two days to visit the Vatican the week of the primary.

If New York was solidly locked up in his favor, I wouldn't have concerns over his absence in New York during this period.

However, I personally feel that this is a poor decision by the campaign.

Just my .02

[Lizzie Poppet]

67. He's sailing, actually...

...on a wave of Hillary supporters' tears.

[Aerows]

75. I can't believe I am actually reading this on a Democratic site.

Has the Democratic party cratered morally to the extent that we *don't* want a Senator to attend a conference on economic justice?

I don't think it has, but I do think that anybody that cheers this on has lost their way.

I guess the Hillary campaign doesn't need Catholic voters anymore, either.

Who is next? Episcopalians? Presbyterians? I'm just wondering how many people you folks can insult in one day.

[riversedge]

76. You can't believe it.

[Aerows]

78. No, I can't.

I doubt even Hillary Clinton would go that far, but hey, maybe I'm wrong.

[Autumn]

82. I think it's being implied that Bernie is cheap, a nasty stereotype.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews

[beam me up scottie]

84. Yep, and it's not the first time either.

They did the same thing when they claimed he only honeymooned in Russia because he was too cheap to pay for it, how he has Jane do the taxes because he's too cheap to hire an accountant, how he never donates to charity because he's too cheap, etc.

[reddread]

85. good call.

I always want to attribute better motivations than the obvious ones.
more fool me.

[Aerows]

86. I know I'm pretty dense at times

but I didn't get why Hillary Clinton supporters were so mad about this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511696374

I said nothing about her, or actually, his campaign, just pointed out that he shut down a bigot.

Finally, 98 posts in, I got what made them so pissed. It happened around the same time that Bill Clinton excoriated a BLM supporter, and claimed they supported 13 year olds hopped up on crack.

Compared to Bernie's response to an obvious anti-Semitic trope, that doesn't look too good for Hillary's side of the fence, does it?

I didn't realize how many asses I was chapping with that. I just thought it was a cool moment that showed how calmly he discusses issues.

[Autumn]

87. I saw that and commented in it so I can find it later this evening to watch the video.

[Aerows]

92. I honestly didn't put the two together

Now it all makes sense.

[Doctor_J]

88. Nah. It's Limpballs-esque. Every time a Dem president travels, Rusty whips the Dittiots

into a fervor about how much it costs. For some reason Jenna Bush running drunk and naked down the streets in South America was not an issue for them, though.

The conservadems get a lot of their material from hate radio.

[AgingAmerican]

89. Hillary supporters are butthurt

[Aerows]

90. I guess they need Preparation H n/t

[brooklynite]

102. Has Sanders withdrawn from the nomination fight? If so, he'll have all the time in the world to go

If NOT, the nomination should be his top priority. Just as I would expect the General Election to be the top priority of the nominee.

[pantsonfire]

115. Why the heck wasn't Clinton invited? She deserves to speak about a moral economy as much as Sanders.

[basselope]

77. Frequent flyer miles

[brooklynite]

96. Witty, but wrong...no commercial flights would get him there in time.

[basselope]

98. What? I could book one right now for points.

220K miles round trip, non stop from JFK to Rome. I have 340K points on that card. I could buy his ticket and donate it to him if it is bothering people that much.

It's Flight 1041 operated by Alitalia. It is an 8 hour 35 minute flight and there are plenty of seats on all flights later this week.

[brooklynite]

101. No, I mean commercial flights don't work with the schedule...

...Sanders is at the debate until 11 PM on Thursday. There are NO flights to Rome later that night; and if there were, he'd still miss the morning economic session. The earliest flight on Friday is at about 4 PM, getting in early Saturday morning.

[basselope]

105. You can actually use points on several private charters as well.

Especially through Amex. Not sure how many points I have on that card, but could check. if you are REALLY that interested.

[itsrobert]

104. He has that debate that ends at 11:00PM ET on the 14th

What time does that Alitalia flight leave JFK? The acadia seminar is on the 15th.

[basselope]

110. I forgot about the debate.. that flight leaves at 10:40 or smt like that...

But there are charter flights you can get via Amex points.

[RandySF]

109. No domestic airline?

[HERVEPA]

103. I fixed your subject line here. "I have my own stupid question about Sanders' trip to Rome"

[fun n serious]

111. In my opinion it was a stunt and he will not go now.. Cancelled or some other excuse. NT

[bvf]

113. In my opinion

amnesty should be rescinded, with accumulated time-outs to be served sequentially.

[pantsonfire]

114. I think he's using the money from one of his Goldman Sachs speeches...

[Surya Gayatri]

116. Kick.