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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:24 PM Apr 2016

Clinton Faces New Challenge from Fractivists After 'Insulting' Comments

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/04/04/clinton-faces-new-challenge-fractivists-after-insulting-comments

New York activists in particular remain skeptical about Clinton, whose previous equivocating on fracking stands in stark contrast to Sanders' call to ban the controversial gas extraction method, which was outlawed in the state in 2014 after a years-long environmentalist effort.

"We now have literally thousands of fractivists who are battle-tested, who understand the politics of these issues," one such activist, Walter Hang, told the New York Times on Monday. "And they have zero inclination to give away their vote without firm commitments."

The New York primary will take place on April 19. Polling shows Clinton ahead of Sanders 53-42, although Sanders has closed the gap somewhat in recent weeks. He also remains ahead of Clinton in the "must-win" primary state of Wisconsin.

Clinton has shifted leftward on environmental issues following months of sustained pressure from the climate movement and the growing populist support for Sanders—but critics say this as an indication that her campaign is simply pandering to win the green vote.

Sandra Steingraber, a biologist and anti-fracking activist who supports Sanders, told the Times, "We're in the middle of a climate emergency, and we have to keep all fossil fuels in the ground. Hillary Clinton has definitely shifted her positions. Whether she shifts them again should she become the Democratic candidate in a general election and softens them, that's the question I hear people wondering about."

Or as climate activist and author Naomi Klein tweeted, "Young people: Hillary Clinton feels sorry for you because you don't do research. Or maybe because you do..."
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Clinton Faces New Challenge from Fractivists After 'Insulting' Comments (Original Post) eridani Apr 2016 OP
Hillary Sold FRACKING Overseas While SOS! CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #1
no matter what she says, this will continue under her presidency Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #4
Natural gas has supplanted coal and is a great bridge fuel. More regulations needed but fracking Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2
Because poisoning our water is such a wonderful thing n/t eridani Apr 2016 #5
You must have not read my more regulations comment. Natural gas is a winner right now. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #6
enjoy your poisoned water Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #7
Nonsense, if regulated properly, the water supply will be safe. This is an upgrade from coal. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #8
And when is that supposed to happen? n/t eridani Apr 2016 #9
When the regulatory environment is ripe. It will move in that direction. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #10
It was ripe years ago n/t eridani Apr 2016 #11
Natural gas is not going anywhere. A push for more regulation is the politically, economically and Trust Buster Apr 2016 #12
The problem with your suggestion is... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #15
You'll never be happy in Texas on environmental issues. They gerrymander like crazy in that Trust Buster Apr 2016 #16
The thing is - Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #18
Fracking near your neighborhood? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #22
no. regulations do not stop the poisoning of ground water or the earthquakes or Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #13
Would you prefer electrical power plants shifting back to coal ? Trust Buster Apr 2016 #17
strawman-just put solar panels on my roof last summer Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #20
When they DON"T have to tell you what chemicals they are using, how the hell can you regulate it? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #23
"bridge fuel" GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #14
Hillary can't be trusted with this Politicalboi Apr 2016 #3
You're absolutely correct. Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #19
she can't be trusted with anything amborin Apr 2016 #21

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
1. Hillary Sold FRACKING Overseas While SOS!
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron


Think People!


One icy morning in February 2012, Hillary Clinton's plane touched down in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia, which was just digging out from a fierce blizzard. Wrapped in a thick coat, the secretary of state descended the stairs to the snow-covered tarmac, where she and her aides piled into a motorcade bound for the presidential palace. That afternoon, they huddled with Bulgarian leaders, including Prime Minister Boyko Borissov, discussing everything from Syria's bloody civil war to their joint search for loose nukes. But the focus of the talks was fracking. The previous year, Bulgaria had signed a five-year, $68 million deal, granting US oil giant Chevron millions of acres in shale gas concessions. Bulgarians were outraged. Shortly before Clinton arrived, tens of thousands of protesters poured into the streets carrying placards that read "Stop fracking with our water" and "Chevron go home." Bulgaria's parliament responded by voting overwhelmingly for a fracking moratorium. SNIP

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
4. no matter what she says, this will continue under her presidency
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:37 PM
Apr 2016

When it needs to be stopped immediately worldwide.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
2. Natural gas has supplanted coal and is a great bridge fuel. More regulations needed but fracking
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

is not going anywhere. Another dose of reality.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
12. Natural gas is not going anywhere. A push for more regulation is the politically, economically and
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:51 PM
Apr 2016

environmentally the smart play.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
15. The problem with your suggestion is...
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:59 PM
Apr 2016

The same government decisions makers that allow the fracking, aren't at all interested in regulation.
I live in North Texas with at least 300 fracking sites all around me. Our State government doesn't give a rats ass about regulating despite the public outrage.

The voters in Denton, Texas passed a bill to ban fracking within their city limits. The Governor of Texas signed a bill overruling it.

Would I be correct to assume there's no fracking near your neighborhood?

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
16. You'll never be happy in Texas on environmental issues. They gerrymander like crazy in that
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

state to insure a Republican-controlled legislature. They see no problem building a senior living complex and a school next to a fertilizer plant.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
18. The thing is -
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

There are many places in various states to frack that are miles and miles away from populations. it's just too expensive the O&G companies say.

And yes you're right about Texas, too bad I can't count on a President to step in and at least push for regulations - and limits to where fracking can occur. I sure don't see that happening with Hillary.

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
13. no. regulations do not stop the poisoning of ground water or the earthquakes or
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

the massive releases of greenhouse gasses. The regulations we have now aren't stopping it so how can you even use that argument!?

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
20. strawman-just put solar panels on my roof last summer
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

Almost all fossil fuels can be left in the ground and replaced with renewables faster than big oil would like us to think.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
23. When they DON"T have to tell you what chemicals they are using, how the hell can you regulate it?
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 09:52 PM
Apr 2016

You fell for Hillary's answer?

OMG! Everything we have fought against for so long, is just peachy with the Hillary supporters to forget, cuz they have to justify their support.

THESE ARE CORPORATE REPUBLICAN EFFORTS. Stop supporting them.


CUT IT OUT.

Will that work? If not for you, they Wall Street won't listen to her 'cut it out' shit either.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
3. Hillary can't be trusted with this
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

She WILL sell us out. She'll always be able to move where it's livable. She's in it for the power and MONEY!!!!! She's not to be trusted for anything. There's no need to wonder, she'll sell us out.

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