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mainer

(12,029 posts)
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:16 PM Apr 2016

Yes, Sanders WAS invited to the Vatican. Latest from Bloomberg:

Margaret Archer is directly contradicted by the chancellor of the Academy:

Sanders “made the first move two or three days ago,” Archer said. She did not know whom he or his representatives contacted about what she called “this little workshop.” Archer added: “His use of it is clearly a pretext. There are just 20 academics and there will be nothing of policy relevance.”
However Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, the chancellor of the Academy, speaking on the phone from New York, said he extended the invitation to Sanders, though he declined to say who initiated the contacts.
“We are interested in having him because we have two presidents coming from Latin America, I thought it would be good to have an authoritative voice from North America,” Sanchez Sorondo said. Asked when he when the invitation was extended, he said, “Quite some time ago.”



http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation
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Yes, Sanders WAS invited to the Vatican. Latest from Bloomberg: (Original Post) mainer Apr 2016 OP
Another Clinton camp hit job debunked. Next... nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #1
he may miss the primaries after this taste of Vatican politics nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #2
^^ BOOM ^^ revbones Apr 2016 #3
Ooopsie! And seriously Archer -- I doubt anyone used the phrase "little workshop". Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #4
panel discussing social justice and poverty and environment Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #13
I guess her official title is boobooday Apr 2016 #17
I'm missing where he contradicted her that Sanders initiated the contacts bigtree Apr 2016 #5
That's of no significance. Hillary initiated a contact, she invited the Pope snagglepuss Apr 2016 #19
+1! NWCorona Apr 2016 #23
"though he declined to say who initiated the contacts" Iliyah Apr 2016 #6
More Clintonian parsing Armstead Apr 2016 #16
My prediction: Margaret Archer will be gone in a few months mainer Apr 2016 #7
She blew it big-time. nt snagglepuss Apr 2016 #20
The Hillarians crap the bed once again TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #8
Sounds like internal scuffling, like the Kim Davis deal, QC Apr 2016 #9
OK, now if I understand this correctly... potone Apr 2016 #10
Totally agree. She's the monumentally discourteous one. mainer Apr 2016 #12
Ii think you have it spot on. Perhaps she got an earful from Hillary and/or her snagglepuss Apr 2016 #22
Thanks for that bit of insight NWCorona Apr 2016 #24
Daily Kos has more. mainer Apr 2016 #11
Mission Accomplished boobooday Apr 2016 #14
Invitation from Vatican is dated March 30 mainer Apr 2016 #15
The the chancellor said it was “Quite some time ago.” revbones Apr 2016 #21
Wouldn't you hate to be someone who was on the side that needed to trash anything good? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #18

Viva_La_Revolution

(28,791 posts)
13. panel discussing social justice and poverty and environment
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

WWJD? I don't think he would call it 'a little workshop'

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
5. I'm missing where he contradicted her that Sanders initiated the contacts
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

"he declined to say who initiated the contacts"

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
19. That's of no significance. Hillary initiated a contact, she invited the Pope
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

to a Foundation shindig but the Pope declined.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
23. +1!
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:03 PM
Apr 2016

They are trying to spin what little is left of this fake scandal.

They were actually trying to coin a term for it. #Vaticangate lol!

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
6. "though he declined to say who initiated the contacts"
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:21 PM
Apr 2016

Seriously, what's up with telling the facts. Methinks Ms. Archer is correct.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. More Clintonian parsing
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

Does it really matter whether he requested the invitation or not?

If I receive an award, is the award any less valid if I applied to participate in the contest?

mainer

(12,029 posts)
7. My prediction: Margaret Archer will be gone in a few months
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

After this blows over, her public hissy fit will cause her to be forced out of her position at the Vatican.

QC

(26,371 posts)
9. Sounds like internal scuffling, like the Kim Davis deal,
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

when the legate invited her and her husband to the embassy to meet the pope, who later disavowed any interests in the four-time-married defender of marriage and got rid of the legate.

When it comes to internal intrigue, the Vatican beats the Byzantine court.

potone

(1,701 posts)
10. OK, now if I understand this correctly...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

Ms. Archer, the president of the Academy, is angry because Sanders did not contact her, but the chancellor of the Academy said that he extended the invitation. It sounds to me like Ms. Archer is really angry at Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo because he didn't ask her first. It sounds to me like Sanders unwittingly got stuck in the middle of a power struggle between the president and the chancellor.

It also seems to me to be "monumentally discourteous" to chastise in public someone who has just been invited to the institution that she heads. Surely this violation of protocol, if that is what it was, should be addressed privately. Why would anyone want to publicly embarrass a guest shortly before he arrives? Methinks she has some other agenda.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
22. Ii think you have it spot on. Perhaps she got an earful from Hillary and/or her
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

Catholic surrogates and she had to say something to mollify them.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
11. Daily Kos has more.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016
The Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences also marked the upcoming trip in a statement, writing, “We’re delighted to host this conference to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Centesimus Annus, bringing together world leaders, including U.S. Senator Sanders.”

Mons. Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, chancellor of the academy, also discussed Sanders’s scheduled visit in a phone call.

“It does not signify any support of the campaign,” Sorondo explained. “We want to establish a dialogue between North America and South America so we thought to invite a (U.S.) politician. The President of Bolivia will also be there. Perhaps the others (candidates) would have been interested but they did not request to come.”

Asked if Sanders had requested an invitation, he said, “He has expressed an interest many times in the Pope’s encyclical and it’s clear that he has an interest in studying it. It might have that effect, (of looking like they approve of campaign) but we are not looking to support the campaign.”


(source: fox6now.com/...)


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/8/1512618/-Another-statement-from-the-Pontifical-Academy-of-Social-Sciences-re-Sanders-conference-attendance

boobooday

(7,869 posts)
14. Mission Accomplished
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

Send out the snarkiest person in the Vatican to throw shade on Bernie.

I'm sure the media and Hillary's supporters will rush out to correct the record.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
15. Invitation from Vatican is dated March 30
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

Margaret Archer claims Sanders made the first move for an invitation "three or four days ago." Which would make it AFTER the invitation was already extended.

Maybe we can get a timeline here about how things really happened.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
21. The the chancellor said it was “Quite some time ago.”
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

I think Archer's credibility in this matter is shot given her little personal attacks in her quotes.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
18. Wouldn't you hate to be someone who was on the side that needed to trash anything good?
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

What does that do to your soul?

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