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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:51 PM Apr 2016

NY Times: Hillary Pushed Obama to Bomb Libya, Leaving It A Failed State & ISIS Haven

This is how Hillary pushed Obama---against his better inclination----to bomb Libya. Part of her neocon perspective, and no doubt influenced by Kissinger, her self-proclaimed role model.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=span-ab-top-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

New York Times Feb 28, 2016


Hllary Clinton's Smart Power and A Dictator's Fall


President Obama was deeply wary of another military venture in a Muslim country. Most of his senior advisers were telling him to stay out. Still, he dispatched Mrs. Clinton to sound out Mr. Jibril, a leader of the Libyan opposition. Their late-night meeting on March 14, 2011, would be the first chance for a top American official to get a sense of whom, exactly, the United States was being asked to support.

In her suite at the Westin, she and Mr. Jibril, a political scientist with a doctorate from the University of Pittsburgh, spoke at length about the fast-moving military situation in Libya. But Mrs. Clinton was clearly also thinking about Iraq, and its hard lessons for American intervention.

The Libya Gamble

An examination of the American intervention in Libya and Hillary Clinton’s role in it.

Did the opposition’s Transitional National Council really represent the whole of a deeply divided country, or just one region? What if Colonel Qaddafi quit, fled or was killed — did they have a plan for what came next?

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Mrs. Clinton was won over
. Opposition leaders “said all the right things about supporting democracy and inclusivity and building Libyan institutions, providing some hope that we might be able to pull this off,” said Philip H. Gordon, one of her assistant secretaries. “They gave us what we wanted to hear. And you do want to believe.”

Her conviction would be critical in persuading Mr. Obama to join allies in bombing Colonel Qaddafi’s forces.

In fact, Mr. Obama’s defense secretary, Robert M. Gates, would later say that in a “51-49” decision, it was Mrs. Clinton’s support that put the ambivalent president over the line.


The consequences would be more far-reaching than anyone imagined, leaving Libya a failed state and a terrorist haven, a place where the direst answers to Mrs. Clinton’s questions have come to pass.

This is the story of how a woman whose Senate vote for the Iraq war may have doomed her first presidential campaign nonetheless doubled down and pushed for military action in another Muslim country. As she once again seeks the White House, campaigning in part on her experience as the nation’s chief diplomat, an examination of the intervention she championed shows her at what was arguably her moment of greatest influence as secretary of state


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Here's what we have in Libya Today:

What We Know About ISIS in Libya

The self-described Islamic State, also known as ISIS, has long been making a push to capitalize on the chaos in Libya.

For over a year, it has carried out terror attacks, taken over territory and released propaganda from its franchise in Libya. Now, a new assessment from the Pentagon states the number of ISIS fighters in Libya has doubled since the fall to over 5,000, spurring fresh debate among security officials over the possibility of foreign intervention.

Analysts and officials worry that Libya is increasingly becoming a sort of fallback option for ISIS as it loses territory and power in Syria and Iraq.

“If we look at the raw numbers, the presence of ISIS is definitely strengthening and growing. I think the security threat they pose is definitely going up,” Riccardo Fabiani, senior North Africa analyst at political risk research firm Eurasia Group, told The WorldPost.

The threat ISIS presents in Libya is different than in other nations, and is related both to the group's changing capabilities and to the country's ongoing instability


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/isis-presence-in-libya_us_56b369e2e4b08069c7a6352f
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Hillary Strengthened ISIS in Libya:

Hillary Clinton’s Failed Libya ‘Doctrine’


Exclusive: Libya remains a nation shattered by political chaos and bloody terrorism, a result of the U.S.-backed “regime change” in 2011 that Secretary of State Clinton championed and once saw as her crowning foreign policy achievement, even the basis for a “Clinton Doctrine,” reports Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton fancied the violent 2011 “regime change” in Libya such a triumph that her aides discussed labeling it the start of a “Clinton Doctrine,” according to recently released emails that urged her to claim credit when longtime Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi was deposed. And Clinton did celebrate when Gaddafi was captured and murdered.

“We came; we saw; he died,” Clinton exulted in a TV interview after receiving word of Gaddafi’s death on Oct. 20, 2011, though it is not clear how much she knew about the grisly details, such as Gaddafi being sodomized with a knife before his execution.

Ousted Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi shortly before he was murdered on Oct. 20, 2011.

Since then, the cascading Libyan chaos has turned the “regime change” from a positive notch on Clinton’s belt and into a black mark on her record. That violence has included the terrorist slaying of U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other U.S. diplomatic personnel in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, and jihadist killings across northern Africa, including the Islamic State’s decapitation of a group of Coptic Christians last February.

It turns out that Gaddafi’s warning about the need to crush Islamic terrorism in Libya’s east was well-founded although the Obama administration cited it as the pretext to justify its “humanitarian intervention” against Gaddafi. The vacuum created by the U.S.-led destruction of Gaddafi and his army drew in even more terrorists and extremists, forcing the United States and Western nations to abandon their embassies in Tripoli a year ago.

One could argue that those who devised and implemented the disastrous Libyan “regime change” – the likes of Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power – should be almost disqualified from playing any future role in U.S. foreign policy. Instead, Clinton is the Democratic frontrunner to succeed Barack Obama as President and Power was promoted from Obama’s White House staff to be U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations — where she is at the center of other dangerous U.S. initiatives in seeking “regime change” in Syria and pulling off “regime change” in Ukraine......


https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/01/hillary-clintons-failed-libya-doctrine/


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NY Times: Hillary Pushed Obama to Bomb Libya, Leaving It A Failed State & ISIS Haven (Original Post) amborin Apr 2016 OP
Hashtag OnHerHands CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #1
horrifying, and thousands of innocent Libyans and Syrians amborin Apr 2016 #2
Jibril was not her only advisor. grasswire Apr 2016 #3
yes, probably one of her principal reasons for the private server, along with.... amborin Apr 2016 #5
Her inclinations and instincts have proven to be disastrous. senz Apr 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #6
Well since she supports suing gun manufacturers for gun deaths, senz Apr 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author cyberpj Apr 2016 #8
and KIssinger, too amborin Apr 2016 #9
 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
1. Hashtag OnHerHands
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

Iraqi civilians, US troops, Honduran children, decapitated journalists.

It's an impressive resumé.

#OnHerHands

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. Jibril was not her only advisor.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

Sid Blumenthal was providing intel to her --- at the same time Blumenthal was ginning up private business interests in Libya. And the intel Blumenthal provided was flawed.

And Blumenthal had been banned by Obama from advising Hillary. She hid Blumenthal's communications from Obama on her private server.

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senz

(11,945 posts)
7. Well since she supports suing gun manufacturers for gun deaths,
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:10 PM
Apr 2016

then surely she would support suing U.S. weapons manufacturers for deaths resulting from the weapons whose transfer she enabled in return for huge donations to the Clinton Foundation.

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

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