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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:15 PM Apr 2016

"Calling Hillary Clinton Not Qualified Is Like Fingernails On A Black Board To Many Women"

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in this race and his supporters are passionate for a good reason. And I think that all of us are reluctant to say to Bernie Sanders and his supporters that the math doesn't work. I think this will take care of itself as long as the campaigns stay by and large very positive about the things we agree on and don't go into negative attacks. And calling Hillary Clinton not qualified is like fingernails on a black board to many women across this country, and I think Bernie probably knows that.

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Well, I just think it's one of those things that -- maybe it's not right -- but I think women who have succeeded in male-dominated fields have been used to being marginalized about whether or not they are truly qualified and this is an example where we have a candidate for president who is the most qualified and happens to be a woman. And I think there are many women that are excited about that and for anybody to call her unqualified is hard for those women to hear.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/07/mccaskill_calling_hillary_clinton_not_qualified_is_like_fingernails_on_a_black_board_to_many_women.html

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"Calling Hillary Clinton Not Qualified Is Like Fingernails On A Black Board To Many Women" (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Apr 2016 OP
Isn't this the same person that eluded he's a secret commie? NWCorona Apr 2016 #1
Lets turn Hillary supporters talking point back on them... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #2
nope. He was very specific about why Press Virginia Apr 2016 #11
He endorsed Kerry dsc Apr 2016 #12
So did a lot of Bernie supporters here. JTFrog Apr 2016 #16
Looking back at the candidates of that election... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #22
of course dsc Apr 2016 #29
no, but he never questioned the qualifications of men who had similar geek tragedy Apr 2016 #14
This is a two person primary... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #17
no, it's his fault for not thinking and talking like a Democrat. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #20
What was it Hillary's campaign said? TCJ70 Apr 2016 #23
Hillary is always the victim. JRLeft Apr 2016 #27
And then Bernie came out and said, party unity never. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #31
Talking and thinking like a clinton democrat timmymoff Apr 2016 #37
Her record has nothing to do with her gender. Her taking money from DFab420 Apr 2016 #3
some people do not like truth SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #4
No nails when she wanted to disqualify Bernie though? morningfog Apr 2016 #5
except she didn't say he wasn't qualified. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
Nah, she's just too dirty. Passive aggressive bully. morningfog Apr 2016 #18
yeah, he shut that woman up by talking about how unqualified she is. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #21
A high horse is not a high road. He exposed her, she wasn't morningfog Apr 2016 #26
LMAO. Yeah, Hillary Clinton has never been attacked or had mean things said geek tragedy Apr 2016 #30
Not just women, all minorities and the disabled GusBob Apr 2016 #6
Ah so her starting the "not qualified" spat was a gender card bait trap AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #7
How many does many signify. Do you have a number or data to support your claim or McCaskill? dr60omg Apr 2016 #8
Truth = fingernails on a blackboard. Got it. Will try to remember for later. nt revbones Apr 2016 #9
Playing the gender card hasn't really worked well for Clinton so far, it's surprising you keep Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #10
deal with it ibegurpard Apr 2016 #13
Fingernails on the chalkboard for this granny me b zola Apr 2016 #19
Here's how qualified Hillary is: Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #24
Poor, poor Hillary. Such a victimized, quivering waif. Is she still hiding under the bed? Vinca Apr 2016 #25
Hearing Hillary spout her lies is like fingernails on a blackboard nichomachus Apr 2016 #35
Hillary implied Bernie's not qualified because he's Jewish. Broward Apr 2016 #28
You aren't going to gain any votes by playing the gender card davidn3600 Apr 2016 #32
Pffft. nichomachus Apr 2016 #33
This whole charade noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #34
The problem with this gendered argument, as all--they all have negative effects on women only. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #36
And Hillary winning means death to some of us 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #38

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
2. Lets turn Hillary supporters talking point back on them...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:16 PM
Apr 2016

...Did he say she wasn't qualified because of her gender?

dsc

(52,162 posts)
12. He endorsed Kerry
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:29 PM
Apr 2016

who did all of the things he says makes her unqualified, one wonders what the difference is.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
16. So did a lot of Bernie supporters here.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

And they still try and contort and twist and say it has nothing to do with being sexist.



TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
22. Looking back at the candidates of that election...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:38 PM
Apr 2016

...there wasn't one, except Howard Dean who couldn't have voted on it anyway, who questioned the Iraq War. This time, we have a choice in candidates who have big differences on these things. Different primary, different situation.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
29. of course
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:45 PM
Apr 2016

it just so happens that every single solitary man who did what she did is just hunky dory but let a woman do it and she is unqualified. But if we dare point out the discrepency and we are the problem.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. no, but he never questioned the qualifications of men who had similar
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:30 PM
Apr 2016

positions.

he sure as shit didn't have the gumption to say that about Obama.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. no, it's his fault for not thinking and talking like a Democrat.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats know that you don't call primary rivals unqualified and unfit for office.

Because they're all Democrats and have to come together for the general.

Bernie isn't a Democrat, so that thought never occurred to him.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
23. What was it Hillary's campaign said?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

"Disqualify and Defeat. Party unity later." Those are her campaigns words, from before any of this "unqualified" talk started. Don't act like you didn't know.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
31. And then Bernie came out and said, party unity never.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

Because, you know, only a third party saboteur would try to contest a convention despite having lost the pledged delegate count and having less than 10% of superdelegate endorsements.

Or do you think Jeff Weaver is lying when he says they're going to contest the convention no matter what?

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
37. Talking and thinking like a clinton democrat
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:40 PM
Apr 2016

got us nafta, Iraq, Libya, Syria, it also halved minimum wage in Haiti, and set up an even greater ability for more offshoring of tax dollars in panama. Nothing quite like someone in the 1% to understand the working man's plight. Nothing like a person who make 225,000 an hour to understand what working two jobs for minimum wage is like. I wonder does she apologize to Iraq war veterans (dead and injured) for her hideous vote? Does her heart get sadden by the death and destruction that follows her votes and term as secretary of state? Does she know how many people, how many families she destroyed with her support of credit card companies re : her bankruptcy bill vote. If she's a democrat i'd hate to see her when she was a republican. Oh wait. We are seeing it.

DFab420

(2,466 posts)
3. Her record has nothing to do with her gender. Her taking money from
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

Wall Street and Oil and Gas companies has nothing to do with her gender.


The only people who are trying to make this about her gender are her supporters.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. except she didn't say he wasn't qualified.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:31 PM
Apr 2016

because she's smarter than him and knows that's something that the candidate themselves shouldn't say

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. yeah, he shut that woman up by talking about how unqualified she is.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

P.S. Taking the high road isn't a sign of weakness. And Clinton hasn't shut up, and her people are still hammering Bernie here.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
26. A high horse is not a high road. He exposed her, she wasn't
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

prepared for him to take her on directly.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. LMAO. Yeah, Hillary Clinton has never been attacked or had mean things said
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

about her before.

Which is why everyone's talking about what a desperate liar she is.

Oh wait, no, that's Bernie they're talking about.

He gets his followers and fans all whipped up with this stuff, but it plays very poorly outside his revival tent.


 

AgerolanAmerican

(1,000 posts)
7. Ah so her starting the "not qualified" spat was a gender card bait trap
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:20 PM
Apr 2016

Isn't it awesome to be so cynically manipulated?

Technically they're both qualified, because there are only 3 qualifications:

- Natural born US citizen
- Over 35 years of age
- Lived in the US for 14 years

Any additional qualifications anyone wants to add are entirely subjective.

Can we get back to discussing actual substance? Or get to it, anyway?

dr60omg

(283 posts)
8. How many does many signify. Do you have a number or data to support your claim or McCaskill?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

I suppose being one of those women who succeeded in a male dominated field my need for precision begs the question can you enumerate what you mean by many? Do you have data to support this. My mom used the use the word many which was actually a signifier for I think everyone feels the way I do ... SO

Show me the data

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
10. Playing the gender card hasn't really worked well for Clinton so far, it's surprising you keep
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

trying to play it.

Pathetic.

me b zola

(19,053 posts)
19. Fingernails on the chalkboard for this granny
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

...is to equivocate on reproductive rights.

I know what Senator Sanders meant, its really not that hard. If any person running for office has shown a pattern over a long period of time to have horrible judgment then I feel they are disqualified as a candidate (for me).

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
24. Here's how qualified Hillary is:
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

Served in the Senate from 2001 - 2009 (8 years)
Served as Secretary of State 2009-2013 (4 years)

That's not the heaviest resume I've seen.

Bernie has been in elective office since the 1980's:

Mayor of Burlington VT for four terms
Congressman from Vermont for 8 terms (16 years)
Senator from Vermont for 2 terms and reelected with 71% of the vote.
That's a breadth of experience that Clinton doesn't have.

The Clintonistas will throw up her work for the Children's Defense Fund, but on Democracy Now:

AMY GOODMAN: Marian Wright Edelman, we just heard Hillary Rodham Clinton. She used to be the head of the board of the Children’s Defense Fund, of the organization that you founded. But you were extremely critical of the Clintons. I mean, when President Clinton signed off on the, well, so-called welfare reform bill, you said, "His signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children." So what are your hopes right now for these Democrats? And what are your thoughts about Hillary Rodham Clinton?

MARIAN WRIGHT EDELMAN: Well, you know, Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics. We have to build a constituency, and you don’t — and we profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so. We were for welfare reform, I am for welfare reform, but we need good jobs, we need adequate work incentives, we need minimum wage to be decent wage and livable wage, we need healthcare, we need transportation, we need to invest preventively in all of our children to prevent them ever having to be on welfare.

She brags about her time with the Children's Defense Fund, but she doesn't mention those years she spent on the Board of Directors of Walmart. That should be enough to disqualify her by itself.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
25. Poor, poor Hillary. Such a victimized, quivering waif. Is she still hiding under the bed?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

That's the impression I get from her supporters every time they play the "sexism" card. It makes me feel embarrassed for Hillary.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
35. Hearing Hillary spout her lies is like fingernails on a blackboard
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

I can't even watch that woman on tv.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
32. You aren't going to gain any votes by playing the gender card
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

That's not going to work.

And qualifications for President is subjective. Ask 10 people what qualifies a person to be President and you'll get answers all over the map.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
34. This whole charade
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:55 PM
Apr 2016

has nothing to do with sexism it's just a cynical fundraising effort by the Hillary campaign.

This is a ridiculous and irresponsible attack for someone to make — not just against the person who is almost certainly going to be the nominee of their party this November, but against someone who is one of the most qualified people to run for the presidency in the HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES,” Clinton spokeswoman Christina Reynolds wrote in a fundraising email to supporters early Thursday.


Clinton planned to spend much of the rest of the day Thursday raising money. She is trying to fend off a strong challenge from Sanders in her adopted home state, as the formerly cordial Democratic race becomes increasingly nasty.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/07/sanders-clinton-continue-fierce-feud-over-qualifications/

TheBlackAdder

(28,202 posts)
36. The problem with this gendered argument, as all--they all have negative effects on women only.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:07 PM
Apr 2016

.



While, in you little head, think you are coming to the defense of HRC, studies from the only university specializing in women in politics, the Rutgers-Eagleton Center for Women and Politics, has compiled research showing that any gendered attack, whether it's to highlight looks, family, begin a woman or man--only has negative effects on one candidate, the female candidate.



You can trash a man's looks, this manner of speech, anything about their physical being and there will be no negative impact at the polls, for a woman, it hurts them by 5 percentage points.



So, you might want to spend a week over at the following site and learn something. If would be better if you have an EDU account and can look at more peer-research as JSTOR and other sites:

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/



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