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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:24 PM Apr 2016

A Lesson To the Hillary Fans on Hillary's Passive Aggressive Behavior

Or, How To Say Something Without Using Exact Words:

Question: "Is Obama A Muslim?"

Hillary: "No, I don't think he is... As far as I know."

She passively says she doesn't know, when she does very well know.

She didn't have to say it, and when asked, she could passively deny it, while she aggressively knew the truth and was having her campaign disseminate this information. If there is any doubt to that, Mark Penn, her campaign strategist wrote this in a memo to the campaign:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2008/08/penn-strategy-memo-march-19-2008/37952/

Penn Strategy Memo, March 19, 2007: More than anything else, this memo captures the full essence of Mark Penn's campaign strategy--its brilliance and its breathtaking attacks. Penn identified with impressive specificity the very coalition of women and blue-collar workers that Clinton ended up winning a year later. But he also called Obama "unelectable except perhaps against Attila the Hun," and wrote, "I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and in his values." Penn proposed targeting Obama's "lack of American roots."


The campaign also admitted to distributing the image of Obama in traditional Kenyan garb.

So while Hillary never said Obama is a Muslim, she certainly was passively allowing her campaign to say it and distribute material on it.

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A Lesson To the Hillary Fans on Hillary's Passive Aggressive Behavior (Original Post) berni_mccoy Apr 2016 OP
It's another facet of plausible deniability. winter is coming Apr 2016 #1
+1 daleanime Apr 2016 #28
Excellent points! "artful smear", powerful news sources, innuendo, plausible deniability - STINKS! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #2
Don't forget, she also said McCain was more prepared/qualified than Obama. morningfog Apr 2016 #3
That one really tells you a story Wellstone ruled Apr 2016 #31
As seen here: Marr Apr 2016 #32
such hypocrisy amborin Apr 2016 #41
Face it, Bernie took the bait and failed the Hot Head The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #4
I don't think Bernie is the one who is Rattled. I think Hillary is by the way she's reacting berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #5
You think that was being rattled? revbones Apr 2016 #6
Yeah, really. Punkingal Apr 2016 #9
That is when the real Hillary showed up. artislife Apr 2016 #16
You have a problem with hot heads? Kalidurga Apr 2016 #8
Sure do when the guy starts frothing at the mouth The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #13
He speaks the truth Kalidurga Apr 2016 #15
Hillary can't handle criticism. She's soft, no backbone ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #12
You realize that Clinton was expecting a non answer nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #17
I would expect that she knew he'd lose it The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #18
No he did not nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #19
He lost it, and he brought up this Panama The_Casual_Observer Apr 2016 #20
Unintended consequences is what a real leader azmom Apr 2016 #23
I am looking at a different story nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #24
Solid arguments never start with an exhortation to "face it". DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #22
...... daleanime Apr 2016 #29
Cue video of young Greenpeace activist asking simple quesiton and Hillary showing what she really is pdsimdars Apr 2016 #30
Face it, Hillary wanted to smear someone, and instead invited a discussion of her own incompetence. Marr Apr 2016 #34
Hmmmnn.. rattled you say? frylock Apr 2016 #38
KR NT CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #7
Waaa, Clinton's unqualified! Waaa!!! Ya, a lesson. seabeyond Apr 2016 #10
She really is unqualified wiltom99 Apr 2016 #35
Bullshit. seabeyond Apr 2016 #37
That's the worst kind of human being. ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #11
Jeff Weaver's response to this was brilliant... pantsonfire Apr 2016 #14
Bravo Jeff Weaver! JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #27
PWNED! n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #40
Some Sander's supporters seem to prefer Aggressive Aggressive behavior. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #21
Well that follows suit in the honesty department. The underlying problem with Passive Aggressive berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #33
Looks more like an anger management issue than "honesty" ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #36
Better to be punched in the face than stabbed in the back. frylock Apr 2016 #39
The fun with words, "is" is couple . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #25
Trump does the same thing! grasswire Apr 2016 #26

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
1. It's another facet of plausible deniability.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

HRC rarely owns her actions. That alone makes her unfit, in my eyes.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
4. Face it, Bernie took the bait and failed the Hot Head
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

Test. If Hillary can rattle the guy so easily, how well would he do when there are real world problems? This is a mess.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
5. I don't think Bernie is the one who is Rattled. I think Hillary is by the way she's reacting
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

To Bernie making contact with a huge haymaker.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
6. You think that was being rattled?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:46 PM
Apr 2016

Watch the Greenpeace activist ask Hillary about fossil fuel donations.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
13. Sure do when the guy starts frothing at the mouth
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

Because Hillary gives one of her nuanced wise guy answers to some TV guy - something that is fully expected.
He comes off like a fool that can't control his emotions.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
15. He speaks the truth
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

IDC if he does it foaming at the mouth or if he says it casually or if he stands on a roof and shouts it or if he does it as an op ed piece in a newspaper. It's still true.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
12. Hillary can't handle criticism. She's soft, no backbone
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

Not to mention corrupt beyond anything we've seen in modern political history.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. You realize that Clinton was expecting a non answer
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:04 PM
Apr 2016

Ergo Sanders is weak? When Obama hit back it was the same, he is a hot head! I am a victim bs. The web has changed a lot of those dynamics and politicians have to be aware of this thing called the Internet.

The Clinton camp shows a distressing misunderstanding of that as well.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. No he did not
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

And this morning she backed down. I expect Bernie to also back down from open warfare. He established he is not weak. And he did mention the Panama papers. That one, though just as complicated as the email story on the technical side...will grow legs.

People really don't like shifty filthy rich people not to pay their taxes. (For the record, the articles are fascinating)

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
20. He lost it, and he brought up this Panama
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:18 PM
Apr 2016

Deal, yes, big deal, like every trade deal doesn't have unintended consequences.
What is Bernie going to do some day? Nothing in case there might be an exploitable loophole in everything?
Sure, he has all the wisdom of afterthought.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
23. Unintended consequences is what a real leader
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

forsees and takes into account in their decision making. It was not some mistake, it was predictable based on Panama's past actions.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. I am looking at a different story
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:28 PM
Apr 2016

Or perhaps my filter is not partisan

So let me make s couple points here

1.- The only people who take this shit seriously are partisans and the beltway media. It does not matter if you are watching a race for city hall or the presidency, this is a rule of thumb. The more outraged the media and partisans seem to be, the less it is reaching actual well voters. So she smeared, he returned fire. That is Tuesday in American politics. But he did show he is not weak. How fast she backed down though, tells me this was polling horribly.

2.- The Panama deal has the potential of really outraging voters, once they realize it is bringing down governments. Next on tap: PM Cameron. Fifa, what the hell is that?

And personally I cannot wait for the full list of Anericans that were netted in that document leak. If you think this was just a few senior citizens buying property in Costa Rica, I got a fairly wet bridge for sale. For the record, I don't expect the Clintons to be there, but a few of their well connected friends will not shock me. I just paid my taxes, so are most folks. So yes, that has real potential.

As to the FTA, related, are you that tone deaf to have missed how angry the voters are about FTAs?

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
30. Cue video of young Greenpeace activist asking simple quesiton and Hillary showing what she really is
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

But the American people already have her figured out, that's why her likeability and truthfullness are at the BOTTOM of the polls and Bernie's are at the top.

Face it, you can dance around with the little word games and mind games all you want, but the PEOPLE KNOW her for what she is. She shows it every single day.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
34. Face it, Hillary wanted to smear someone, and instead invited a discussion of her own incompetence.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

More bad judgement.

 

wiltom99

(27 posts)
35. She really is unqualified
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

She should never have a security clearance again. Not sure how one could be POTUS without it.

 

pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
14. Jeff Weaver's response to this was brilliant...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:53 PM
Apr 2016

"I went to law school just like Secretary Clinton, I know how to not say something, but say it in so many words."

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
21. Some Sander's supporters seem to prefer Aggressive Aggressive behavior.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:20 PM
Apr 2016

At least that's how it seems appears here on DU.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
33. Well that follows suit in the honesty department. The underlying problem with Passive Aggressive
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:36 PM
Apr 2016

Is that it is dishonest, just like Hillary.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
36. Looks more like an anger management issue than "honesty" ...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:49 PM
Apr 2016

... being displayed by some Bernie supporters.

The anger is the root cause, not the truth.

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