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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:20 PM Apr 2016

HRC is not MORALLY qualified to be president...that's what Bernie was saying.

Last edited Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

OK, she has done a lot of things, and she is mundanely competent.

Either of them could handle the duties of the job, we all know that.

But she is not morally qualified.

Her ties to corporate America discredit her morally, because you can't work in behalf of those in the streets AND those in the suites.

Her support of globalist economic discredits her morally, because you can't work for treaties that allow corporations to overturn labor laws, environmental laws and social programs put in place by sovereign democratic governments(by setting up "tribunals" that always rule in favor of the corporations against the sovereign governments).

Her ties to neoconservatives and her treatment of Henry Kissinger as a trusted advisor on foreign policy discredit her morally, because you can't play a humane, progressive role in the world if your default tool for influencing international events is military intervention and the threat of military intervention.

Her past willingness to betray some of the most powerless core supporters in the name of short-term political advantage for her and her husband morally disqualifies her, because the test of a moral politician is when they stand with the defenseless and the powerless when it is hard, not when it is risk-free.


It's not just being competent at the tasks of the position. It's being committed to never working out of any but the highest, most decent principles in the way you carry out the tasks. That's what being a leader means. That's what being qualified on the human, moral level, rather than simply the level of training and "experience" means.

(on edit).

She could address her moral qualifications issues by renouncing her current views on foreign policy, trade policy, and economics-none of which are views she HAS to hold onto to win in the fall.

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HRC is not MORALLY qualified to be president...that's what Bernie was saying. (Original Post) Ken Burch Apr 2016 OP
Nonsense, he made his opinion loud and clear. The Republicans thank him. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #1
You would prefer he sit obediently with hands folded in lap? JudyM Apr 2016 #7
I would prefer he not give Republicans a sound byte because he couldn't control his temper. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #12
Do you view her negative comments about him the same way? JudyM Apr 2016 #24
No, she was referring to his hiccups in a recent editorial board interview. She did not say he was Trust Buster Apr 2016 #26
In general. She makes plenty of negative comments about him. Do you object to that as well? JudyM Apr 2016 #27
It's not hard to figure out... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #2
The problem is that... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #3
Plus in terms of her poor judgment. Although in each case this could be rooted in a lapse of JudyM Apr 2016 #4
She's qualified to run Goldman Sachs, or a work at a hedge fund like Chelsea... Yurovsky Apr 2016 #5
A lot of experience at making bad decisions does not make one qualified to be POTUS. yourout Apr 2016 #6
#WhoopsHillary wiltom99 Apr 2016 #8
Morality is a personal judgement...as is competence anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #9
Like someone else said, nonsense. Beacool Apr 2016 #10
WHy is Hillary going to try to disqualify him? Or did she drop that plan? morningfog Apr 2016 #19
I couldn't agree more Rebkeh Apr 2016 #11
I disagree. She is not even mundanely competent. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #13
We've had some real scoundrels in that office.. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #14
So is Barack Obama then. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #15
Critiquing HRC on foreign policy is not the same thing as attacking Obama. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #16
Yes, she was. He is the boss. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #18
Clinton, the most honest candidate. seabeyond Apr 2016 #17
You forgot the sarcasm tag. morningfog Apr 2016 #21
Fact. Sanders is up to what? 14 Pinocchios? He is still going strong. Who knows what tomorrow brings seabeyond Apr 2016 #23
Hillary Clinton lacks the moral character to be POTUS (or CIC). PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #20
"In my vision of democracy, accepting millions from special interests should be disqualified..." lostnfound Apr 2016 #22
Unfit is the word that comes to mind more than unqualified. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #25
Of course she's not morally qualifed to be President... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #28
When will the morality police finally get here? Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #29
I don't think trying to read his mind and reinterpreting his words is going to help n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #30
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
26. No, she was referring to his hiccups in a recent editorial board interview. She did not say he was
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:18 PM
Apr 2016

disqualified. The President would be unqualified under Sanders' definition.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
2. It's not hard to figure out...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

...unless you're solidly in Hillary's corner. With every "unqualified" statement came a qualifier with it that defined what he meant. If you choose to just stop at "unqualified" then you're not being honest...which is kind of their MO.

JudyM

(29,250 posts)
4. Plus in terms of her poor judgment. Although in each case this could be rooted in a lapse of
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

ethical judgment... Policy decisions (as SOS) and votes (as Senator) exchanged, apparently, for donations, favors and influence.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
5. She's qualified to run Goldman Sachs, or a work at a hedge fund like Chelsea...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

She loves money. She loves the rockstar lifestyle that comes from having mountains of it. She doesn't really care where it comes from or who suffers as a result.

She's a Rockefeller Republican in all but name, IMHO.

She certainly isn't a progressive, at least by my standards.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
9. Morality is a personal judgement...as is competence
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

Just as some people agree with your point, others think that a candidate who campaigns on certain issues should be able to articulate details about them when asked. I have always liked Bernie, but I would think that even his supporters would recognize that he really dropped the ball with that interview.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
10. Like someone else said, nonsense.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

He could have used different terminology, but he didn't. He said "unqualified" and it has been reported by all media. Nice way to give more fodder to the GOP. It was hitting bellow the belt, particularly since she's far more qualified than he is to be president.

Whatever happened to the claim that his campaign wasn't going to go negative?

Rebkeh

(2,450 posts)
11. I couldn't agree more
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

We hate the "reality" of politics, we agree so why do we keep supporting it? Rewarding it? Encouraging it?

And, yes, voting for it?

I'm with Bernie. There's nothing more to say.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. So is Barack Obama then.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

We'll see if Bernie will own his words at the debate when she's standing next to him.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
16. Critiquing HRC on foreign policy is not the same thing as attacking Obama.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:15 PM
Apr 2016

Clearly, HRC was given control of foreign policy in this administration, given how much more hawkish and right-of-center it has been compared to Obama's foreign policy rhetoric.

HRC was not just doing what Obama told her to do.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
23. Fact. Sanders is up to what? 14 Pinocchios? He is still going strong. Who knows what tomorrow brings
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:02 PM
Apr 2016

lostnfound

(16,179 posts)
22. "In my vision of democracy, accepting millions from special interests should be disqualified..."
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

In many jobs, you have to sign statements that you don't have any conflicts of interest.

"In my view, anyone who voted for the disastrous war in Iraq lacks the judgment or wisdom required to be president."

I don't think changing it to "morally qualified" has the right tone either. Sounds too much like judging a person rather than fitness for the job.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
29. When will the morality police finally get here?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

Using moral/morally in this regard is just as dangerous and stupid.

It's like saying there's one set of morals that are the RIGHT ones and everyone else is wrong.

Just more absolutism from the Sanders side.

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