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drokhole

(1,230 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:57 PM Apr 2016

Why didn't Hillary just unequivocally say "yes"?

Scarborough pressed Clinton three times if she believed Bernie was "qualified" to be president, and each instance was meant with insinuation, aspersion, manufactured doubt, deflection, and innuendo. Just like Fox News, they lead you up to the point of what they want you to think/believe, and then 'let' the "viewer/voter decide." In addition, she stated flatly she's "not sure he even is" a Democrat, which would, in fact, suggest that he isn't qualified to run on the Democratic ticket (and would disqualify him from doing so). Where's the (manufactured) outrage from the Hillary camp there?

Here, how simple the exchange could've been:

"Secretary Clinton, do you believe this morning that Bernie Sanders is qualified and ready to be President?"

"Yes."

If she wanted to boost her own bona fides (as any candidate is wont to do), could've went with "Yes...but I'm the better option, and here's why..." Instead, we get a shiny new distraction featuring a fresh set of talking points for the day, ever so predictable righteous indignation, and after-the-fact high road-ing...all which will be forgotten in a week's (if not few days) time. So, congrats to the Clinton camp for getting the ball rolling and having something new to latch on to...squeeze as much juice out of it as you can and enjoy it while it lasts.

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Why didn't Hillary just unequivocally say "yes"? (Original Post) drokhole Apr 2016 OP
Blaming the victim? Wow, that sucks. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Victim-in-chief... daleanime Apr 2016 #9
Meanwhile, somebody is extending his lease back in Vermont. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #12
My favorite Hillary clip of all time Prism Apr 2016 #47
Quelle surprise nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #49
The victim? CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #53
She certainly is the target of an unprovoked attack in this instance. That FACT is undeniable. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #60
Clinton fired the first set of shots CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #62
What I think is really interesting - Mother Of Four Apr 2016 #64
Man you fucking crack me up! TM99 Apr 2016 #56
Glad you are enjoying yourself, but I'm dead fucking serious. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #59
Sorry son. TM99 Apr 2016 #66
"The cult of personality is the Clinton camp alone." Delusion. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #67
Why do you think Hillary is a victim all the time? Avalux Apr 2016 #63
Hillary Clinton is her own worst enemy. Most of the time, she is the victim of her own decisions. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #68
Is she really that weak? I thought she was a fighter? Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #70
Holy crapoli. Another ridiculous non sequitur. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #71
I want the most honest candidate, the most progressive candidate. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #72
What? Without running it past a few focus groups? Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #2
Maybe... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #26
Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #33
Exactly. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #37
So she picks bad advisers and she's still qualified to be president? JimDandy Apr 2016 #50
That was my point. nt. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #51
Good you made that clear. JimDandy Apr 2016 #52
Please tell the last time Clinton said anything "unequivocally" except nichomachus Apr 2016 #3
+1 daleanime Apr 2016 #10
No one's asked her yet whether puppies are cute. bvf Apr 2016 #73
This is the truth. Her hypocrisy and sleaziness is jaw-dropping. Vattel Apr 2016 #4
Perfect example of what is going wrong in this campaign. GOP is going to have a field day. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #45
-1 Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #61
Context BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #5
the interview was clearly stage managed to bbgrunt Apr 2016 #6
Oh please. You think Joe S was in any way part of helping Hillary? Lucinda Apr 2016 #18
no, it's not. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #20
Except... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #27
You think media moguls want Clinton over the GOP? Lucinda Apr 2016 #29
Supposedly MSNBC's moguls do. n/t. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #31
Comcast not MSNBC nt Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #36
No... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #35
How does Hillary help them when even seated GOP members have said they would vote for her Lucinda Apr 2016 #38
Simply put... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #39
They hedge their bets by investing in both sides. But that doesn't mean they are Lucinda Apr 2016 #42
Except... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #46
I remember hearing that the donor class would have been happy with Rubio, Jeb, or HRC. eom DookDook Apr 2016 #43
Why the fuck is the female candidate held to a higher standard than the male? Jesus.nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #7
She isn't. No matter how hard you try to make it so. morningfog Apr 2016 #13
I dont think that is it, to be honest. But this road they are on is not good. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #15
A male candidate who did what she did to Bernie there would have got the exact same treatment. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #32
Victim??? Indeed. Absurd. libdem4life Apr 2016 #57
Because she didn't know what the polls suggested she would say. Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #8
Lies of omission whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #11
She didn't have to...if a thinking person examines Bernie's experience, it's obvious that he's not anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #14
"I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House... Fumesucker Apr 2016 #28
I was pro-Obama, but she raised a fair point. ecstatic Apr 2016 #41
Seriously. Especially when he has said that 'either one of us is 1000x better than the GOP' Myrina Apr 2016 #16
She has said they both are worlds better qualified than the GOP MANY times. Lucinda Apr 2016 #19
I'm being disingenuous? That's funny. Myrina Apr 2016 #65
obviously to do the dirty deed with an iota of deniability stupidicus Apr 2016 #17
There is not a clear dividing line between "qualified" and "unqualified" Martin Eden Apr 2016 #21
Neither Clinton can acknowledge anybody other than themselves is qualified to be President BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #22
She always give qualified answers. Presidential. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #23
But Bill Clinton did say Romney was qualified to be President in 2012 BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #24
I see Sanders fan have a new meme for the day. riversedge Apr 2016 #25
This meme thing that both sides use is hilarious Dem2 Apr 2016 #30
Because politics can be stupid mythology Apr 2016 #34
More little cutsie, inside the beltway, gotcha games that they think are so clever. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #40
Hillary did the same thing in 2008 when asked if Obama was a Muslim. bvar22 Apr 2016 #44
"As far as I know he's not a Muslim" kiva Apr 2016 #48
Because Hillary can't unequivocally say anything. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #54
she wasn't sure if by saying 'yes' she would be lying...or if by saying 'no' she would be lying... islandmkl Apr 2016 #55
Podium bird says you're right !!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #58
That would have been the truth, Hillary doesn't do truth. Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #69

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
53. The victim?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

Is that how you see her?

Well, I guess that explains everything.

Oh lordy...how much longer is the Clinton campaign going to be in full bullshit mode?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
60. She certainly is the target of an unprovoked attack in this instance. That FACT is undeniable.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

Spin it however makes you feel better.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
62. Clinton fired the first set of shots
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

The Clinton camp leaked to CNN on Tuesday night that "Defeat him and disqualify him" would be their new push against Sanders.

So, yesterday--as they said they would--the Clinton camp made the rounds.

Hillary spent a great deal of time suggesting that Bernie wasn't a Democrat and that his plans to break up the big banks were inadequate.

Her surrogates were on a roll as well.

The Clinton camp certainly provoked all of this. That is fact.

Bernie was simply responding to non-stop attacks and mud slinging during Monday from the Clinton camp.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
64. What I think is really interesting -
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:29 PM
Apr 2016

Is she didn't have a problem with his qualifications until he started winning primaries back to back.

Now all of a sudden this crap happens.

Prediction: This is going to blow up in her face big time because it once again has the appearance of waffling and flipping opinions with how well she's polling/winning.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
56. Man you fucking crack me up!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

It is like performance art with you.

Yes, poor little old Clinton is the victim.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
59. Glad you are enjoying yourself, but I'm dead fucking serious.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders launched this unprovoked attack, and the OP suggests that it's HRC's fault for not caving into Scarbrough's ridiculous question. Bullshit.

You guys have elevated Sanders to some bizarre sainthood level, but, now that his flaws are glaring, the only way to maintain the saintly aura is to throw as much shit on Clinton as possible. We see it for what it is. Give up the charade.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
66. Sorry son.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

The cult of personality is the Clinton camp alone.

Hey the media is just vetting her, right?

She questioned Obama's qualifications in 2008 as well. We remember. We don't forget. We are dead serious as well so that is why we fight this bullshit tooth and nail.

No charade here, keep up the bullshit, and we will push right back at ya!

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
67. "The cult of personality is the Clinton camp alone." Delusion.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

Look around you. Maybe this place is so thick in Sanders insanity that you've lost track of what sanity is.

Have the last word.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
68. Hillary Clinton is her own worst enemy. Most of the time, she is the victim of her own decisions.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:40 PM
Apr 2016

Not in this case. Sanders shot off his mouth in anger, and now he gets to live with it.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
70. Is she really that weak? I thought she was a fighter?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

How will she stand up to ISIS, or Putin... or girl scouts selling cookies???


 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
71. Holy crapoli. Another ridiculous non sequitur.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

You people are spending a bazillion calories defending this foul temepered, mouthy, pedestrian career politician.

You want him as your hero? He's all yours.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
72. I want the most honest candidate, the most progressive candidate.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:49 PM
Apr 2016

That sure as hell isn't Hillary.

Bernie isn't my hero, he is just the one who has earned my vote.




Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
26. Maybe...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary would do better without her focus grouped advice. They give her some really awful advice lately...

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
33. Agreed.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

I have a sense of not really knowing who Hillary Clinton actually is. Not exactly confidence-inspiring...

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
50. So she picks bad advisers and she's still qualified to be president?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

Wow. What other bad advisers will she pick, if she becomes president?

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
3. Please tell the last time Clinton said anything "unequivocally" except
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

Her demands for her speeches to Wall Street banksters.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
73. No one's asked her yet whether puppies are cute.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 05:57 PM
Apr 2016

On second thought, she'd waffle on that, so as not to risk losing the puppy-hating demographic.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
45. Perfect example of what is going wrong in this campaign. GOP is going to have a field day.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

It is really sad.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
5. Context
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

The question was posed in the context of his painfully inept Daily News interview. She can be excused for not stepping on that story by saying he's qualified. It was well done; she made her points without saying, quote/unquote, that he is unqualified.

It's not her job to prop him up in hard times.

bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
6. the interview was clearly stage managed to
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:00 PM
Apr 2016

repeatedly ask that question and let H "artfully dodge" responsibility.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
18. Oh please. You think Joe S was in any way part of helping Hillary?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:15 PM
Apr 2016

That is just too crazy for words.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
27. Except...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

The people that cut Joe's extremely large paychecks have donated millions over the years to the Clintons and are, therefore, invested in having her elected. If you think the higher ups wouldn't use Joe to boost the Clintons & that Joe wouldn't do it, you haven't been paying attention to MSNBC lately.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
35. No...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

They want Hillary over Sanders because he is a threat to their profits. Hillary is a corporatist and will help them in the long run. They know that any Democrat will defeat the GOP in the GE. If they didn't think so, why have the executives of Comcast donated so much to her campaign as individuals and her PACs as a corporation, if they weren't backing her?

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
38. How does Hillary help them when even seated GOP members have said they would vote for her
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

before letting Trump become the POTUS?

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
39. Simply put...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

Why would Comcast and that corporation's executives have invested so much money if they didn't think they would get a return on their investment. Sure, you can say that the executives, as individuals, may just support Clinton. But Comcast, has a fiduciary duty to earn money for its shareholders -- which makes it hard to explain why Comcast would donate to her PACs if it wouldn't earn the Corp money.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
42. They hedge their bets by investing in both sides. But that doesn't mean they are
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

going to go out of their way to assist someone who could beat their preferred candidate.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
46. Except...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

If you look at MSNBC's history of firing the talking heads that don't stick with the company lines indicates to me otherwise. See, e.g., Phil Donahue (for speaking against the Iraq War), Ed Shultz (for speaking out against TPP), etc.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
32. A male candidate who did what she did to Bernie there would have got the exact same treatment.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

The Sanders campaign has never been about opposition to the idea of a female president.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
57. Victim??? Indeed. Absurd.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:33 PM
Apr 2016

Yet, she artfully plays either card. Strong Feminist or Female Victim. Both seem to somehow fit into her repertoire as needef.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
8. Because she didn't know what the polls suggested she would say.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016

Being that she lacks foresight and courage to act without seeing them.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
14. She didn't have to...if a thinking person examines Bernie's experience, it's obvious that he's not
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

qualified. She was just trying to point people in that direction.

Being a long-time relatively unproductive member of congress, who can not clearly articulate the nuts and bolts behind his talking points...and running in a party that he just recently joined are all big red flags.

She has not attacked Bernie at all, and since so many people are willing to buy into his sound bites without doing the legwork required to validate them, he was doing better than expected. Any smart politician would change their approach at this point.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
28. "I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.."



There's a history here of this sort of equivocation from Clinton.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
41. I was pro-Obama, but she raised a fair point.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

At the time, senator Obama's resume was pretty thin compared to hers, but unlike Bernie, candidate Obama was brilliant, thoughtful, and demonstrated intellectual curiosity and competence in almost all areas.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
16. Seriously. Especially when he has said that 'either one of us is 1000x better than the GOP'
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

.... she can't acknowledge that as well? No, in her little 'it's MY turn' mind, she can't.

SMDH.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
19. She has said they both are worlds better qualified than the GOP MANY times.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

Sad to see you being soo disingenuous.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
17. obviously to do the dirty deed with an iota of deniability
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

so that she could play the victim when anything like reciprocation occurred, for the attention you noted

That's better than dealing with NYDN shit story falling apart, or her hosting the moneyboys at a big fundraiser

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
21. There is not a clear dividing line between "qualified" and "unqualified"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

There are varying degrees of qualifications, and one candidate may be more qualified in one area while another is more qualified in a different area.

On the other hand, certain things should disqualify a candidate -- like any number of things that have come out of the mouth of Donald Trump or Ted Cruz.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
22. Neither Clinton can acknowledge anybody other than themselves is qualified to be President
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

Here's Hillary Clinton refusing to say that Obama or Edwards was qualified in 2008, in the first 30 seconds of this video:



Bill Clinton couldn't bring himself to say that Obama was qualified in 2008 even after he won the Democratic nomination.



BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
24. But Bill Clinton did say Romney was qualified to be President in 2012
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

So I need to correct the comment I made in my previous post, it's only other Democrats that the Clintons refuse to acknowledge are qualified to be President.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-campaign-clinton-idUSBRE85003R20120601

<Former President Bill Clinton believes a candidate with Republican Mitt Romney's business success and political background is qualified for the White House, but he said Democratic President Barack Obama would be a better choice for the country.

"There is no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold," Clinton said of Romney in an interview with CNN on Thursday.>

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
30. This meme thing that both sides use is hilarious
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

Since the human animal is imitative by nature, saying that someone is repeating a meme it's the same as describing somebody as a 'human being.' I don't know if you were simply repeating language that a Bernie supporter used, because I've seen it several times today by both sides, but I do think my point stands and this 'meme' accusation is kind of entertaining, don't you think?

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
34. Because politics can be stupid
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

She should have said he is. You can argue about his policies or temperament, but he clearly meets the constitutional requirements.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
40. More little cutsie, inside the beltway, gotcha games that they think are so clever.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think American workers, working 2 jobs just to make ends meet, are really going to care whether or not she actually said the word or not.
They know which candidate is known for being a liar and which one is known for telling the truth. It's in all those "trustworthiness" polls. Hillary is down at the bottom and Bernie is at the top.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
44. Hillary did the same thing in 2008 when asked if Obama was a Muslim.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:58 PM
Apr 2016

Her answer, "He is not a Muslim as far as I know."

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
54. Because Hillary can't unequivocally say anything.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

I can though. Hillary is unqualified to be President of the United States. I don't have to couch that in weasel words.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
55. she wasn't sure if by saying 'yes' she would be lying...or if by saying 'no' she would be lying...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:25 PM
Apr 2016

OR if she should tell the truth...whatever it was...

because after the third question, time was up....

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