2016 Postmortem
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brooklynite
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)Juan Gonzalez of DemocracyNow! was there:
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Yeah, well, I certainly didn’t get that impression, tell you the truth. The editorial board is notorious, especially our editorial page editor, Arthur Browne, for his laser-like one question after another, and he bombarded, as several others of us also asked questions. I, overall, thought that Bernie Sanders handled the exchange very well. And I think that there were a few places where he stumbled, and—but I was amazed at his ability to parry the questions that were thrown at him and to, basically, for instance, bluntly say, when he was asked about the Israeli-Palestinian situation, that Israel needed to withdraw from the illegal settlements in Palestinian territory, which I was astounded that he was quite frank and clear on his position, while at the same time saying he would do everything possible as president to negotiate peace and security for Israel in an overall settlement. And I think there—he did stumble a little bit when he was pressed on how he would break up some of the too-big-to-fail banks. He clearly did not have that down pat.
AMY GOODMAN: Who would have the jurisdiction.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Oh, right, who would have the jurisdiction, and—but, overall, I thought his performance was excellent.
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/6/juan_gonzalez_was_at_bernie_sanders
That's a lot different from what the witless Christopher Hayes and Team Hillary said.
Beacool
(30,249 posts)Too much tin foil thinking on this board.
Triana
(22,666 posts)certain parts of his very detailed answers to fit a particular narrative though.
#Propaganda
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Is there anything that he is responsible for? Dear lord, no one made him go to the interview. No one made him answer the questions the way he did. The complete transcript in there for everyone to view...no cherry-picking. I think my head is going to explode.
beedle
(1,235 posts)you have any specific questions & answers that you can point to where he flubbed things?
Specifics now, not opinion with no references to the specific issue.
Of course you don't, because you never bothered to read the Interview, otherwise you'd know which side was out of their debt in that Interview, and it wasn't Bernie.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)Why so rude?
beedle
(1,235 posts)as your evidence?
and stop it with the 'tone policing'.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)beedle
(1,235 posts)that shows Sanders didn't know what he was talking about?
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I was just saying no one made him do it, and you can read the transcripts...no cherry-picking.
beedle
(1,235 posts)cherry pick the question and answer(s) you believe Sanders failed on.
I want to know if anyone can actually provide one of these questions/answers, instead of just saying things like "No one made him answer the questions the way he did." implying that he answered them in 'classical soviet Russian' or started belting out show tunes.
Stop 'implying shit' and give examples ... specific examples.
If you can't, or are unwilling then just say so and I'll go away and leave you to your bubble.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Daily News: ....in your speech you mention the financial industry and you focused on corporate America, the greed of Wall Street and corporate America. So I wanted to get a sense of corporate America, as the agent of American destruction.
Sanders: General Electric, good example. General Electric was created in this country by American workers and American consumers. What we have seen over the many years is shutting down of many major plants in this country. Sending jobs to low-wage countries. And General Electric, doing a very good job avoiding the taxes. In fact, in a given year, they pay nothing in taxes. That's greed.
That is greed and that’s selfishness. That is lack of respect for the people of this country.
Daily News: And so how does that destroy the fabric of America?
Sanders: I'll tell you how it does. If you are a corporation and the only damn thing you are concerned about is your profits. Let's just give an example of a corporation that's making money in America, today, but desiring to move to China or to Mexico to make even more money. That is destroying the moral fabric of this country. That is saying that I don't care that the workers, here have worked for decades. It doesn't matter to me. The only thing that matters is that I can make a little bit more money. That the dollar is all that is almighty. And I think that is the moral fabric.
To me, what moral is, I've got to be concerned about you. You've got to be concerned about my wife. That's moral to me. That's what I believe in. And if the only thing that matters to you is making an extra buck, you don't care about my family, I think that's immoral. And I think what corporate America has shown us in the last number of years, what Wall Street has shown us, the only thing that matters is their profits and their money. And the hell with the rest of the people of this country.
Daily News: Okay. Do you weigh in the balance at all, the fact that a company that's moving jobs overseas, that the competitive climate may be such that they feel that they must, to compete in the United States?
Sanders: No. I think, firstly, we have to appreciate these guys wrote the rules in the first place. So they wrote the trade agreements. And then, yes, I do understand you can make more profits by paying people in Mexico, or China, or Vietnam pennies an hour, I do understand that. But I believe that people have...and, by the way, I'm not anti-trade. We live in a global economy, we need trade. But the trade policies that we have allowed to occur, that were written by corporate America have been disastrous for American workers.
So I think we need trade. But I think it should be based on fair trade policies. No, I don't think it is appropriate for trade policies to say that you can move to a country where wages are abysmal, where there are no environmental regulations, where workers can't form unions. That's not the kind of trade agreement that I will support.
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Daily News: At what point in history, in the recent history of the United States, do you think the balance began to tip against the American worker?
Sanders: In the early '70s. I think it was in the late '60s/early '70s. I think Lyndon Johnson's, maybe even earlier than that, the victory over Goldwater, in '64 got the ruling class in this country very nervous.
And I think there became a very organized effort, on the part of corporate America, and very powerful forces, to say, "Look, we are in trouble. And we're going to have to fight back." And I think what you have seen in a number of ways, trade being one way, attacks on trade unions being another way, to really reestablish and strengthen the power of the few against the many.
Daily News: And do you trace all of that, do you ascribe, are those the forces in your mind that have led to wage stagnation since then?
Sanders: I think there's been a very concerted effort to take on trade unions. No question about that. You're seeing that every day, or in the last few years, in Wisconsin, what the governor there, Scott Walker, is about. That is a perfect metaphor for what I think corporate America...much, I'm not going to say all of, but much of corporate America has wanted to privatize everything that can be privatized. To destroy trade unions. To make it harder for people to get health care. To give tax breaks to the very wealthiest people in this country. Yeah, I think that has been a very concerted effort.
beedle
(1,235 posts)... Never ever try to tell the truth to an Establishment Media outlet ... they don't really care, and if they do it's only enough to get them to bother to twist your words.
Wonder what Hillary thinks about her donors -- opps, I mean tax avoiding, job exporting, corporate blood suckers.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)"Okay, while we were sitting here, I double-checked the facts. It's the miracle of the iPhone. My recollection was correct. It was about 2,300, I believe, killed, and 10,000 wounded. President Obama has taken the authority for drone attacks away from the CIA and given it to the U.S. military. Some say that that has caused difficulties in zeroing in on terrorists, their ISIS leaders. Do you believe that he's got the right policy there?"
That is what is called a bullshit question. Most of them are like that. Why do you ask if that is bullshit question? Because it is asking Sanders a question about something Obama never did. And of coarse Sanders being honest said I can't answer that question. Because you would assume a New editor would not be lying to you with questions.
and they conflated the FED with the Treasury Department. Asking:
Daily News: But do you think that the Fed, now, has that authority?
Sanders: Well, I don’t know if the Fed has it. But I think the administration can have it.
of course, Bernie was correct in saying he doesn't know about the Fed having it, since that was the DN assertion from out of the blue, and turns out they were the ones confused, not Bernie.
Do you have an example of these things that came out of his mouth that have you so flustered?
merrily
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Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Hard to believe she got this far....or was it some of the 'machines'???
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)
polly7
(20,582 posts)It's really a huge web, isn't it? Much more involved than I realized.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)
lostnfound
(16,179 posts)It was a strength of the American workforce, that we have so much insecurity... Health care not tied to a job, or expansion of the social safety net, would reduce our competitive position.
It was a column a long time ago. Looking for it.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)conservative or liberal, friend or foe. She know how to respond with what SHE wants to say. She doesn't respond from fear, anger, or means. Bernie should learn from her.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)and for good reason... The more she talks, the lower her numbers go.
She's just not likeable. But at least she's got all that money to fall back on, so I don't feel sorry for her. Neither should you.
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)
beedle
(1,235 posts)Bluff called.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)like that time in Bosnia when she had to dodge machine gun fire, cruise missiles, mortars, a-bombs and piles of dog poop running from her plane to the podium for her press appearance.
She's spent a lifetime avoiding answering tough questions. Avoid, evade, redirect, ramble incoherently, and when all else fails, fall back on your strong suit... lying.
whatchamacallit
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firebrand80
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