So Bernie Just Earned Three Pinnochios--Amateur Hour at the Campaign

[msanthrope]

Let's see if I can break this down....

Hilary Clinton goes on Morning Joe. He tried to bait her into saying that Bernie Sanders is unqualified. She refuses to take the bait, but does discuss the reservations she has with him over policy.

Someone in the BS camp then reads a headline, somewhere. Not the full article, nor, apparently do they watch the interview. They tell Sanders that Clinton called him unqualified.

Sanders then starts a rant in his campaign speech. He doesn't call any of the clown car unqualified. Just the Democratic frontrunner.

This morning, his campaign handlers double down. Never mind how sexist and tone deaf this sounds.

This gets fact-checked---and Bernie gets called a liar.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/07/sanderss-incorrect-claim-that-clinton-called-him-not-qualified-for-the-presidency/?postshare=2831460037158260&tid=ss_tw

Tad Devine does not win elections, people....and this is why.

[LexVegas]

1. Bernie is a liar. Soon the WaPo will call them Bernies. Bernie earned 3 Bernies. nt

[Schema Thing]

12. No one believes Bernie is a liar.

[msanthrope]

27. Sorry....but I just watched him lie. And then I watched his

campaign double down on it.

And here's the thing....every single minute he doesn't issue an apology? That's fewer and fewer Democrats who are willing to put up with him knocking the Democratic frontrunner.

[Loudestlib]

56. Hillary was the frontrunner in 2008. n/t

[msanthrope]

58. And Bernie is no Obama. BHO built a coalition. The day after HRC

conceded, I went to work at the BHO campaign and was welcomed.

[grossproffit]

49. Uh, yeah, they do.

[rock]

55. I do

As I've posted several times on DU about BS, "Liar, liar, pants on fire. Feel the bern."

[Loudestlib]

57. LOL

Good luck with that.

“Bernie Sanders is the most widely trusted presidential candidate of either party.”

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/02/17/nh-win-boosts-sanders-image-clinton-still-holds-la/

[libtodeath]

2. Or as someone said yesterday about the guns from Vermont lie

Its politics.

[msanthrope]

5. Indeed...and this shows Tad Devine learned nothing from

the Swiftboaters.....

He earned his candidate pissed off women voters and three Pinnochios.

[libtodeath]

8. Uhm,that was you I was referring to

about a sleazy and lying attack on Bernie.
Just politics.

[msanthrope]

10. Oh, I know...my point is that if Tad cant figure out

how to avoid shit like this, then he cant win the GE. He played, badly.

[libtodeath]

14. So a sleazy lie against Bernie is just politics in your world

but a reasonable conclusion drawn from ones own statements is horrible.

Says all I need to know about Hillary supporters.

[msanthrope]

21. She didn't lie. He did. And he got caught. nt

[libtodeath]

22. Keep telling yourself what ever makes you feel good.

[timlot]

3. Bernie''s handlers have been begging him to go negative...

So here go, but unfortunately she never said he wasn't qualified to be President. Sad because I actually like Bernie, but his comments were dead wrong.

[msanthrope]

7. I think his handlers fed him bullshit, that's what I think. nt

[Arkansas Granny]

4. More from the article:

Sanders is putting words in Clinton’s mouth. She never said “quote unquote” that he was not qualified to be president. In fact, she diplomatically went out of her way to avoid saying that, without at the same time saying he was qualified. The Washington Post article appropriately noted she raised questions about his qualifications, but certainly never said or suggested she said Sanders was unqualified.

Sanders would have been on safer ground if he had said Clinton is raising questions about his qualifications and now he would like to raise questions about her qualifications. But he can’t slam her for words she did not say.

[msanthrope]

13. Always read the story, not just the headline is the moral here. nt

[morningfog]

6. Missed the first step. Clinton Camp's "Destroy and disqualify" statement which preceded Joe.

[msanthrope]

9. Who in the Clinton Camp said that? HRC? No.

"She started it!" just bought him 3 Pinnochios.

[riversedge]

42. LOL-I see you are still trolling this crap.

[yodermon]

11. such a 3rd-grade mentality.

Here, Cenk will break it down for you:
https://www.facebook.com/CenkUygurOfficial/videos/529474600573216

[msanthrope]

19. Cenk? Cenk? He's still smarting from losing to Gillenbrand's campaign.

Ha...when I want the viewpoints of a former Republican campaign worker, I'll let you know.

[beedle]

41. So you disagree

that policies and records are more important than who used a 'word' and who simply implied the 'word'?

Do you have a list of 'words' the politicians can't use?

[msanthrope]

43. That's why HRC talked about policies of BS's...and he went nutz

over a word she didn't say.

[beedle]

46. No she didn't

she referenced a headline from the DN Interview.

[riversedge]

44. Cenk really has gone over to the dark side IMHO

[Sheepshank]

15. Bernie lost it on this round.

I'd bet this will come up in the next debate and if he walks it back, he'll look like a loser and manipulated (how is that Presidential), if he doesn't walk it back, he'll look like an ass. no win on this subject.

[Octafish]

16. I don't blame Bernie for being angry.

For more than a year, Team Hillary has lied about him. He got pissed and pointed out the hypocrisy.

[AgingAmerican]

17. Show us the factcheck.org link please

Hillary partisan OP EDs don't count for anything

[Nanjeanne]

18. There is nothing wrong with saying someone is not qualified based on their judgement

which is what Sanders said. Too bad political "reporters" and "journalists" leave out the whole context of his statement beginning with the word IF. And of course, tweets are the source of many people's knowledge of facts. But whatever . . .

Here's my breakdown.

Clinton campaign infers in every way that Sanders is not qualified - and uses out-of-context snippets from a slanted report based on an actual interview.

In addition, Clinton (like she didn't know if Obama was a Christian) doesn't know if Bernie is a Democrat.

Bernie responds to the questioning of his qualifications to be President by saying that Clinton isn't qualified IF she (paraphrasing) has such poor judgement to support Panama deal, disastrous trade agreements, Iraq war, billions of dollars in campaign funds via SuperPacs, etc.

Me? I agree with Bernie. That's exactly what I don't think Clinton is qualified. Does she have experience - of course. It's just the experience of someone who's policies and judgement I think are on the wrong side of history.

Clintonites? They agree with Hillary. Which is why they are voting for her.

It's called campaigning. But the ridiculous charges of sexism, taking out of context statements, whining about Sanders going negative - that crap is unseemly to me by someone who is, on the other hand, telling me she is so qualified and experienced and strong and Presidential.

So that's my breakdown!

[msanthrope]

30. He just earned him 3 Pinnochios because he allowed himself to act from anger.

Angry and wrong---not presidential.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

20. The Capehart Gazette lacks the moral standing to judge truthfulness.

[msanthrope]

25. Tad Devine lacks the standing to elect a President. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

26. It's a good thing he has us around.

[CalvinballPro]

23. Sanders' big fat failure will make Devine 0-for-5, you know.

I'm more than willing to believe that Devine conned Sanders and all the small donors. He's a consumate Democratic Party insider, a former Goldman-Sachs lobbyist who somehow gets a pass because he gives the appearance of supporting Bernie. Meanwhile, his monthly checks from the Sanders campaign are $800K and above, probably going to break $1 million for ads spent in WI and NY in April when it's reported.

Sanders supporters got duped, and duped hard.

[msanthrope]

24. Oh, I know...I watched him bungle the Swiftboaters in '04.

Tad doesn't know how to fight Republicans.

[riversedge]

35. Was that TAD??? Whow. What a slimmy man-and Sanders hired him. Whow!

[msanthrope]

38. Tad's been fucking up Presidential elections for a long time now. nt

[beedle]

28. In the bag for Clinton much?

The paper that reported "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president" give Sanders Three Pinnochios for saying the same thing?

[msanthrope]

31. So, what you're saying is no one at the BS campaign had the sense

to read past a headline?

[beedle]

45. No one in the Hillary campaign

had the sense to read past the headline of the Daily News interview.

Is that a new qualification 'they' put in yesterday just before the Sanders speech?

[riversedge]

59. No, you just said that. Not the Hillary camp

[itsrobert]

29. Tad makes money

He couldnt care less about winning. $800000 a month salary.

[msanthrope]

32. And ad buys. Let's not forget the ad buys. nt

[DemocracyDirect]

37. That doesn't make sense.

Even if I was to entertain your premise...

... the more he wins the longer he can keep his portion of the $800k ...

which goes to his whole campaign team by the way.

You guys are ridiculous.

[riversedge]

33. The Pinocchio Test__> "Sanders is putting words in Clinton’s mouth"

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Is that the WaPost that said 147 FBI agents were investigating Hillary or the WaPost that said those

Danny Lyon photos of Bernie Sanders were not Bernie Sanders? Either way it seems ironic for them to play fact checker about anything or anyone and it seems odd to me that any Democrat would wish to promote their editorial voracity considering that paper has passed on lies and rumors about both Democratic candidates this cycle for which they have taken much criticism. 'We know they are liars but if what they say today serves my side we cite them anyway' just seems reckless and shallow.
147 Special Agents. Not. But today, they are our witness!

[msanthrope]

39. Here's the thing---you have the full transcript of the interview

available.

So...if they are wrong, you can easily prove it. I'll wait.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. Here's the thing, I already spoke for myself and you did not bother to respond. Typical.

Here's a transcript of a quote from your candidate, it's all lies, ignorance and palpable bigotry:

"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."

It's not from WaPost. It's actually true.

I'm saying this paper you cite casually lies about both of our candidates at will. I'm not in the business of reading sources I then have to fact check. I do not trust them. You do. I wonder if Hillary read her AIDS history in the Washington Post, considering it is all wrong?

[msanthrope]

50. Oh, I don't know why you think you merit a response from me.

But, as I noted, you have the transcript of the interview. If the Post is wrong, I am sure that you point it out to us.

[Gothmog]

36. Sanders has an issue with telling the truth

[SidDithers]

40. Devine, Weaver and Sanders...

Not ready for prime time.

Sid

[LAS14]

47. How many Pinnochios total in the last 2 weeks?? nt

[Jackie Wilson Said]

51. Not sexist, but it was a mistake. He already has supporters who will not support Hillary

which is unimaginable, now there will be more.

[angrychair]

52. Hold. The. Phone.

I constantly see posts that the WP is a "right-wing rag" from Hillary supporters but in this case it's not?

I guess this "right-wing rag" things works as I suspected: as long as it plays to their confirmation bias it is fine. Got it.

[Madam Mossfern]

53. Somehow this is reminiscent of something in the 2004 campaign

I don't remember exactly what, but it rings a bell.

[msanthrope]

54. Tad fucked up the 2004 campaign, too. nt