2016 Postmortem
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Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 11m11 minutes agoWaPo - which @BernieSanders cites to claim Hillary called him unqualified - says he's lying. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/07/sanderss-incorrect-claim-that-clinton-called-him-not-qualified-for-the-presidency/?postshare=2831460037158260&tid=ss_tw
read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/07/sanderss-incorrect-claim-that-clinton-called-him-not-qualified-for-the-presidency
Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 13m13 minutes ago
@washingtonpost fact-checker: "he cant slam her for words she did not say"
Josh Schwerin ?@JoshSchwerin 4m4 minutes ago
Its not fighting back if you made up the thing youre fighting back against
inchhigh
(384 posts)Our deceptive headline suckers more unsuspecting readers.
If she didn't say it, you shouldn't have reported it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)She packs it in an "artful smear"....
For then taking the victim role when the backfire eventually comes.
She's been doing this for months already. And Bernie has shown restraint until now, and has come under fire for doing the same thing, but doing it with substance. Something Hillary lacks. She's nothing but an empty suit programmed with talking points, deflections and incorrections.
This is the bullshit line about not being qualified.
"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood."
Her reasoning?
Bernie's failiure to play the "journalist" game and give any indication on whether the FEDS have police authority to break up banks. Bernie did mention Dodd-Frank as a tool, did he not?
What she and her minions fail to realize is that he has already given plans to break up the banks. People should watch more C-Span and less propagandists like Chris Matthews and WaPo.
The talking points inside the Hillary bubble is now "Bernie doesn't know what he is talking about", ignoring the tons of debunction junction served up readily available and for free.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)That has trickled down in the ranks the last months:
"Asked whether Sanders is a "real Democrat," Clinton first hedged, but then made clear she has doubts.
Well, I cant answer that, she said in the Politico interview conducted last week. Hes a relatively new Democrat, and, in fact, Im not even sure he is one. Hes running as one. So I dont know quite how to characterize him.
Or her little chuckles on where Bernie was during the healthcare battles in the 90's....
That's another doozy...
Got another comment?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)...the legacy of FDR..
Hillary doesn't. Wonder how she will police the corrupt bankers who donates to her dirty campaign. And this is the "artful smear" she is so good at using, projecting those over to Bernie.
.I see that Bernie caucusing with the democratic caucus all these years doesn't matter at all. At least he has never campaigned against a democrat in favor of a republican like DWS has done.
There has been one candidate between those two who have gone dirty - it's Hillary.
She embodies the world view of a corporatist and neocon. Not an FDR democrat.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Her artful smear has backfired.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)JudyM
(29,250 posts)riversedge
(70,223 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Most are let go simply because they happen so often.
One example that is exactly the opposite of what is true, yet went almost unnoticed:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/10/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-says-bernie-sanders-wants-delay-cl/
^snip^
"The Clean Power Plan is something that Sen. Sanders has said he would delay implementing, which makes absolutely no sense," Clinton said.
But Sanders himself did not say he would delay implementation. In reality, he wants a more ambitious plan (and has released one) and has supported Obamas plan from the get-go.
A day before it was unveiled, Sanders said in a press release, "It sounds to me like a step forward in ending our dependence on fossil fuel, and I support that effort."
He also tweeted that day, "Pres Obama knows climate change is the great planetary crisis facing us & we must move boldly to transform our energy system #CleanPowerPlan."
Double standards, used by those who need them.
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)given Bernie fair coverage?`
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm going to be a bit pissed if Clinton doesn't fire back hard and constantly.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)what got St Bernard so rabid. (A good "vetting" can cure a rabid dog, fwiw.)
He's being backstabbed by his own campaign staff, a really bad sign.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)But he doubled down anyway, confirming his true character.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)inchhigh
(384 posts)Is this really so hard to understand? She thinks he isn't qualified and has said it in small groups and to her campaign staff. That's how stories like these get reported.
She's saying one thing in private and another thing in public.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I should hope politicians don't share every thought in private publicly, that would be political suicide.
In this case there's just a "aide" who supposedly leaked this to a political commentator on CNN. We'll see if this story is backed up by more from this commentator today. Only quote from Jeff so far today:
https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/718068505757818880
riversedge
(70,223 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Sanders would have been on safer ground if he had said Clinton is raising questions about his qualifications and now he would like to raise questions about her qualifications. But he cant slam her for words she did not say.
Three Pinocchios
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Can we at least agree on these facts? I keep posting on this topic because people continue to respond with unfounded rumors. Just admit to the facts so we can move on.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)I really really hope he dials this back, it's not a good look for him...
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)This truth here needs to be understood and accepted. The truth. It's simple.
Sanders ego says no, though.
That's the way it looks to me.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Go away Bernie.
LexVegas
(6,066 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)mainer
(12,022 posts)The Post's headline was the source of "Clinton calls Sanders unqualified." Did the Post just make that up out of thin air, or did the journalist actually capture the gist of what Clinton said?
riversedge
(70,223 posts)wise of him at all. He had the opportunity. But chose to continue the lie. Shame on him.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)You guys are giving it a spirited go--these accusations about Sanders being a liar. But the thing is, everyone, and I mean Democrats, Republicans, Independents, non-political people--everyone knows who the honest candidate is and who the liar is. So I'm not even going to attempt to argue with you people, not when you're looking so buffoonish all on your own. Have fun with it.
Gothmog
(145,252 posts)Sunsky
(1,737 posts)I can't watch Sanders anymore. He's my bathroom/ channel surfing break at the moment. He is a liar and a selfish one-liner. He has one main issue and he can't even get it together, he cannot even explain how he plans to implement his one plan.
Now he's feeling the math and realizes he can't win the nomination, so he plans to take not only Hillary but the whole party (which he so conveniently used for his presidential ambition) down with him. I can't wait until Johnny-Come-Lately Democrat exits and go back to being Mr. Independent- minus one fan. I can't believe how silly I was to admire this man for all these years. My blinders are off. Hillary has shown such class in this situation.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Bernie seems to have trouble telling the truth.
Sid
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Pinocchio has to be up to at least 14. Just in the last handful of days.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Bernie accurately represented Hillary's statements and you call that a lie.
Why then is your misquote OK while his is a lie?
chascarrillo
(3,897 posts)Seems the Washington Post might want to read what the Washington Post writes. And a bunch of people here may want to read what they wrote as well.