2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis is why Bernie will not be president.
When voters ask honest questions they deserve answers not snark.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511666143
Who pays for Bernie's programs is an honest question. It is not right wing to want a complete understanding of what we would be getting into if Bernie wins.
The same thing happened when the press asked Bernie how he would go about breaking up the big banks and how big is too big.
Bernie doesn't have an answer and nor do his supporters.
I would not vote for someone who is telling only half of the story as other thinking Americans would not.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)hereforthevoting
(241 posts)Oh, want me to tone it down?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)proposals. Not that I expect you to actually do the research you feign interest in. Furthermore, your snark uncovers the fact that you did not read the full New York News interview. Besides, it is actually Hillary who is vague and not forthcoming in how she pays for her programs, let alone provide the details of her proposals. But that is the nature of projection, isn't it?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)As Nancy Pelosi said, "we are not going to run on a program of raising taxes."
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)However, in every speech, Bernie talks about breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks for which he consistently receives Yuuuuge ovations from his Yuuuuge crowds that attend his speeches. BTW, Nancy Pelosi is not running for president (thought you would like to know).
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)and all the things it could pay for.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)inchhigh
(384 posts)I don't think he has ever denied that his plans involve raising some existing taxes and creating a few new ones.
He has answers and they are good ones.
We break up the big banks exactly the way we broke up Ma Bell, a proven success story. AT&T created the Baby Bells themselves because the Justice Department told them to, exactly the way we will tell JP Morgan to do it.
Everyone will pay a little more tax on income and EVERYBODY will be guaranteed healthcare.
These are great answers.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)fourcents
(107 posts)MIC = Military Industrial Congress
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)So HRC supporters are going full on right wingy with the specter of taxation as it concerns policy issues now?
Does this society have the longest war EVER in this nation's history that's being 'paid for' without any push back by ANY candidate EXCEPT ONE that mentions that fact?
Imagine if we swapped out the 'war' for 'infrastructure' in this context without any push back, would that help explain "who's paying for it"?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Sanders supporters really need to do their homework, learn about more issues than income gap, Iraq war voting, Wall Street money. The really crucial parts of the political arena are not important to them even within their own state. As a result, a really nasty judge now will sit on the WI Court for a decade.
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Bradley won the election, a surprise to Democrats. This morning, some progressives picked a culprit: voters who cast ballots for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and left the rest of their ballots blank. According to exit polling conducted by the independent group DecisionDesk and BenchMark Politics, perhaps 15 percent of Sanders voters skipped the Bradley-Kloppenburg race; just 4 percent of Hillary Clinton voters did the same
Democrats, with no victories to show from Tuesday, are hardly taking solace in the turnout. The defeat of Kloppenburg and of a Working Families Party-backed candidate for Milwaukee County executive are creating tension with supporters of Clinton, who argue that she is investing in the Democratic Party's success -- and that Sanders, far from a revolution, has built a personal following but little else.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/why-a-race-further-down-the-wisconsin-ballot-rattled-democrats/
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Do I qualify for being president?
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Nate Silver produced a great series of estimates based on the demographic composition of each state. The result was not a likely scenario in which Sanders caught Clinton, but rather the most plausible one he could think of. It gave Sanders a target of securing 50 of Wisconsin's 86 delegates by scoring a 16 percentage point margin of victory. Ambitious, but doable.
He came close, but he didn't do it. And that means he'll have another delegate or two he needs to add in future races.
Next up comes Wyoming, which will make it eight out of nine. But then comes New York, which happens to allocate more delegates than Wyoming, Wisconsin, Washington, Hawaii, Alaska, Utah, and Idaho combined.
New York is 17.6 percent African-American (versus 6.6 percent for Wisconsin) and 18.6 percent Hispanic (versus 6.5 percent for Wisconsin). Relative to that much more diverse electorate, it's not good enough for Sanders to narrowly edge out Clinton. According to Silver's math, he needs to beat her by 4 points to net enough delegates to stay on track and that's even before he fell a delegate or two short in Wisconsin. Right now he's down 10 points.
The truth is exactly the opposite. The media has a systematic self-interested bias toward exaggerating how close the race is. Sanders supporters are a minority of Democrats, but they are still a large number of people, and they avidly read and share content about Sanders's big fundraising hauls and his wins in low-population states.
Television networks want people to tune in to their debates and town halls, which they are much more likely to do if they think something is at stake. And Sanders's big fundraising has been transformed into big advertising dollars, which is literally money in the pockets of media companies.
The media loves Bernie Sanders!
Hillary had her great run.. just like predicted early on, and (with some exceptions like Alaska and Hawaii) did best in the more diverse states. Sanders has now had his run, and with Wyoming will have another.
From my own predictions, Sanders did better in Oklahoma than I thought he would, but not as well in Arizona than I thought he would. I also thought his margin of victory in Washington state was going to be even bigger than it was.
This will go all the way to the convention, and he will end up losing though. The numbers aren't there.
My only hope is that Clinton's win is in Pledged delegates. Even if come the convention she has the most voters, and the most pledged delegates, but not enough to clinch the nomination it will aggravate the already large rift between her supporters and Sanders supporters. Nobody wins from that.
At the end of the day Hillary WILL need at least a decent portion of the support Sanders got to win the GE. Likewise, if Bernie does actually manage to pull it out he WILL need a large portion of the support Hillary has had to win the GE.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)Sanders had, it would have been over for him. And rightfully so. The daily news interview simply confirmed what I've suspected all along: Sanders doesn't have a clue! He is not qualified by any metric (my conclusion, not necessarily Clinton's). Meanwhile, Clinton is qualified based on multiple metrics, including background experience, personal and professional connections, and education.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)The Clinton's are not even in the room!
WhenTheLeveeBreaks
(55 posts)that when Hillary is asked honest questions she gives honest and complete answers?
IMHO, I would not be using this approach to discredit Bernie.