2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf Sanders isn't a democrat
then it's because democrats haven't got their shit together. He's been working for what they claim to believe in across his entire career--even when they opposed him.
The party platform: https://www.democrats.org/party-platform
Sanders' platform: https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Right on civil rights before it was popular: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_record_on_civil_and_human_rights_partner/
Right on gay rights before it was popular: http://www.queerty.com/5-times-bernie-sanders-was-championed-our-cause-before-it-was-popular-20160131
Right on opposing the war before it was popular:
Right on TPP before it was popular:
Right on Keystone before it was popular: http://www.politicususa.com/2014/11/07/bernie-sanders-shatters-big-keystone-xl-lie-pipeline-oil-prices.html
Right on Panama before it was popular: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-panama-papers_us_5703c2d4e4b083f5c608d386
Right on drug price gouging before it was popular: http://www.albionmonitor.com/0007a/berniedrugs.html
Right on unions before it was popular: http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/15/a-socialist-in-the-senate/
Right on minimum wage, healthcare, immigration, food stamps, highways, etc.
And on and on and on.
Not to mention successfully financing a national campaign without large donors or exclusive fund raisers--showing all of us that we are needed and they are not.
Decades of video: http://www.c-span.org/search/?searchtype=People&query=bernie+sanders
Decades of public records: http://www.ontheissues.org/Bernie_Sanders.htm
If democrats are not that, then they should be.
djean111
(14,255 posts)not some empty loyalty pledge.
Nanjeanne
(4,960 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Thanks.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to Sanders?
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thank you.
HughLefty1
(231 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)But that is only because they don't understand the people.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)God I love it.
Gothmog
(145,293 posts)Sanders is not supporting down ballot candidates and shows that he is not really a member of the Democratic Party
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/clinton-sanders-differ-down-ballot-democrats
Hillary Clinton raised about $29.5 million for her primary campaign during March. That amount brings the first quarter total to nearly $75 million raised for the primary, beating the campaigns goal of $50 million by about 50 percent. [Hillary For America] begins April with nearly $29 million on hand.
Clinton raised an additional $6.1 million for the DNC and state parties during the month of March, bringing the total for the quarter to about $15 million [emphasis added].
The first part matters, of course, to the extent that Sanders fundraising juggernaut is eclipsing Clintons operation, but its the second part that stands out. How much money did Sanders raise for the DNC and state parties in March? Actually, zero. For the quarter, the total was also zero.
And while the typical voter probably doesnt know or care about candidates work on behalf of down-ballot allies, this speaks to a key difference between Sanders and Clinton: the former is positioning himself as the leader of a revolution; the latter is positioning herself as the leader of the Democratic Party. For Sanders, it means raising amazing amounts of money to advance his ambitions; for Clinton, it means also raising money to help other Democratic candidates.
As Rachel noted on the show last night, the former Secretary of State has begun emphasizing this angle while speaking to voters on the campaign trail. Here, for example, is Clinton addressing a Wisconsin audience over the weekend:
Im also a Democrat and have been a proud Democrat all my adult life. I think thats kind of important if were selecting somebody to be the Democratic nominee of the Democratic Party.
But what it also means is that I know how important to elect state legislatures, to elect Democratic governors, to elect a Democratic Senate and House of Representatives.
The message wasnt subtle: Clinton is a Democrat and Sanders isnt; Clinton is working to help Democrats up and down the ballot and Sanders isnt.
Super Delegates will be taking this difference into account in deciding which candidate is best for the party
Dem2
(8,168 posts)I do think the fact that he never called himself a Democrat until recently is an OK point to make, however. I personally don't care what he called himself and I'm also a registered independent, though nobody in their right mind would question my Democratic credentials.
HughLefty1
(231 posts)Otherwise I would've remained an Independent. The DNC mobsters at both the national and state level disgusted me to the point I couldn't remain with the party. That doesn't make us less of a Democrat.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I registered Democrat at 18, but left the party long ago, as it's slide rightwards was all-too-evident. I flipped for Oregon's primary, to vote for Bernie. Flipping back the day after the primary. The Democratic Party doesn't want progressives like me...they've made that obvious.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)this post is on FIRE ,
talk about rapid shot points.. great post hellofromreddit, thank you
MisterP
(23,730 posts)without 60% of the electorate: with two parties bellowing "drill here drill now, let them die, kick their ass and take their gas, send them back," everyone sane's just gonna get up and leave and you're left with the Dems you can do anything to and still get them driving grandma to the polls on their own dime
their trolls, psychopaths, and overgrown hall monitors are part of the strategy
HughLefty1
(231 posts)If you are not going to embrace their corporatist brand agenda the DNC mobsters couldn't care less if you walk. They couldn't care less that Bernie has brought so many new, young, independent, progressive voters into the tent. Less voters makes it easier to control elections.
The GOP feels the same way. Just look at how they are treating the independents(?) who jumped over to vote for Trump.
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)this is bullshit! THEY are not democrats. Why don't the Hillary people call them out and work on the down ticket races. I'm not voting for any repubs turned dems, supported by our party!
Example:
Grayson vs. Murphy in FLA
People are fighting the party like mad in fla cuz this shit goes on all the time! Daryl Rouson is another example.
YOU CANNOT PUT A PIECE OF PAPER BETWEEN THE PARTIES ANYMORE. BERNIE SANDERS IS STILL THERE FOR THE DEMOCRATS, EVEN THOUGH THE PARTY IN SO MANY STATES IS NOT!