2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"Indeed, Clinton did not say Sanders was "unqualified" or "not qualified" during.."Morning Joe"
Three facts:
1st--Yesterday, Joe S. egged Hillary on to say that Sanders was unqualified to be POTUS. Hillary did not take the bait (3X). Today Joe proudly said "I GAVE UP"--(after 3 tries). Both Joe and Andrea Mitchel clearly said that Hillary did NOT utter the word unqualified.
2nd--Sanders is the one saying Hillary said said she was unqualified--He said it at a rally.
3rd--Sanders said twice that Hillary should apologize (about 2 different issues). Seems to me-Sanders --or his staff that told him to say that Hillary said he was unqualified-needs to offer up an apology.
Please read:
April 7
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/sanders-questions-if-clinton-is-qualified-to-be-president/ar-BBrsdFb?li=BBnb7Kz
Sanders questions if Clinton is 'qualified' to be president
By ERRIN WHACK, Associated Press
5 hrs ago
PHILADELPHIA Bernie Sanders on Wednesday questioned whether Democratic rival Hillary Clinton is "qualified" to be president after she spent much of the day criticizing his record and his preparedness for the job.
"She has been saying lately that she thinks that I am quote unquote not qualified to be president," Sanders told a crowd .......
..........Indeed, Clinton did not say Sanders was "unqualified" or "not qualified" during a much-quoted interview Wednesday morning on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
In a discussion of an interview with Sanders that appeared in the New York Daily News, Clinton was asked if "Bernie Sanders is qualified and ready to be president of the United States."
She responded, "Well, I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood, and that does raise a lot of questions."
Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Wednesday evening that Sanders was responding to reports on the CNN and Washington Post websites. A Post story was headlined, "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president.".....................
Brian Fallon @brianefallon
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#TakeItBackBernie
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Sahil Kapur ?@sahilkapur 8h8 hours ago
The article Sanders links as evidence doesn't have any quotes from Clinton saying he's not qualified to be POTUS. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/ #p2
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PS--I listened also today. Of course Joe's tone was one of being proud of his role in starting this dust-up!!
missLotus Andrys
Apr 07 · 07:25:02 AM
On Morning Joe this a.m., Joe Scarborough said exactly the same thing. He admitted he tried 4 times to get her to say Sanders was unqualified and she never would do it. The interviewer, for those who arent paying close attention, admitted he was trying to get a soundbite but Secretary Clinton never bit.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/4/6/1511708/-Timeout-Hillary-never-said-Bernie-is-not-qualified-to-be-President
*****From today--April 7^^^^
Scarborough: Do you believe this morning that Bernie Sanders is qualified and ready to be President?
When asked point-blank by host Joe Scarborough whether Sanders was ready for the Oval Office, Clinton raised the senator's recent interview with the New York Daily News.
"Well, I think the interview raised a lot of serious questions," Clinton said. "I think of it this way: The core of his campaign has been 'break up the banks,' and it it didn't seem in reading his answers that he understood exactly how that would work under Dodd-Frank."
Asked again whether Sanders is qualified, Clinton dodged. "Well, I think he hadn't done his homework, and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood, and that raises a lot of questions," she said.
Asked a third time, Clinton said she would "leave it to voters to decide who of us can do the job the country needs.".....................
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-clinton-not-qualified-to-be-president-221666
Vinca
(50,273 posts)In this case, failing to say the words made the point.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)like the tea party. she doesn't even have to say anything because she's Hillary and she's bad
I'm tired of bernie
Vinca
(50,273 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Vinca
(50,273 posts)as a politician. You hear slow and measured. Other people hear a woman who sounds like she's talking to a classroom filled with second graders.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)This parsing and denying and playing cute won't work. Her hands are dirty and now her peeps are crying about it.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)that is the what started this dust-up.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)riversedge
(70,236 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)acknowledge facts. Good luck!
LuvLoogie
(7,006 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)I certainly don't appreciate the hatred of some of his supporters
baldguy
(36,649 posts)"She started it!" is the argument of a five-yr-old.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)It is always point counter-point, thrust and parry.
The difference between our sides political back and forth and the goppers is that we aren't talking about penis size.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)when he claimed she said QUOTE/UNQUOTE that he was unqualified. LIED. You can dance around that all day but he LIED.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Yall act like a bunch of cowards afraid of your own words.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)He said SHE said quote/unquote. He's a liar and now so are you.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)She picked a fight that she now regrets.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Bernie is getting slammed all over the place FOR LYING.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)at another rally.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)riversedge
(70,236 posts)post is in gd-p. bye
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Bernie did actually lie to hundreds of his supporters about what she said and they applauded. And I bet not one of them will do any research about to find out the truth.
Native
(5,942 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)It's being reported all over the place that he lied with that "quote/unquote" nonsense.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination."
Bull Shit she is saying he is not qualified and that is a fact...just like she made sure Obama looked Muslim. And she feels sorry for Bernie supporters who don't do research...unbelievable crap!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/
morningfog
(18,115 posts)and now they are cowards about itZ
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Because Bernie said she said "quote/unquote" that he was not qualified. That is an obvious LIE. But you wont care, you'll dance around it, excuse it, deflect from it. You have your orders and will ignore it.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)That was the starting point of all of this. SOrry for you only it came back to bite them in the ass!
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for lying and you think Hillary regrets it? I swear, you Bernie supporters live in your own little world where lies are not lies and math is not math.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)...."Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination."
This was the author's editorializing-his opinion--trying to gin up his story--and you want to believe this lie-and so you do.Then you add your own smear SHAME ON YOU
Your comment
4. It started on CNN
"New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination."
Bull Shit she is saying he is not qualified and that is a fact...just like she made sure Obama looked Muslim. And she feels sorry for Bernie supporters who don't do research...unbelievable crap!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)in debates about Bernie Sanders and acts like his supporters are just dumb lil young ones. This is despicable behavior. There are many video's of her lies and you know it but can't seem to accept it.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)She was going bonkers on him and put it out there...then it backfired big time...she had the horrific ability to use lil kid's death to put further lies out there about Bernie. Twitter is going nuts over her disgusting comments. Just like when she attacked Obama she is using the same crap. She is NOT presidential. And you support her...guess you have that choice.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)to do what is right. But he did not.
While Sanders was up at his podium sounding bitter --
Hillary was shining and thoughtful on the streets of NY just now.
What a contrast for the viewers to see.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)yesterday...
morningfog
(18,115 posts)DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)That was Saturday night and we have video to prove it.
Frankly it was the most repugnant thing I've seen on TV in a long time.
You can feel the bristle coming off the reporter.
And don't say that it's not from the Clinton campaign.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Joe was trying to bait her into smearing Bernie, but she wouldn't bite. Bernie, on the other hand, is a walking smear machine.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)"Hillary Clinton is apparently getting desperate, as after seeming to exhaust all other options, shes returning to the original line of attack against Bernie Sanders: gun control.
She said that its going to be coming out in the very near future that many of the catastrophes that have taken human lives in the State of New York have been the product of guns coming over the border from Vermont, according to New York State Sen. Tim Kennedy. Thats the first I heard it, he remarked.
Thats probably because its not even close to true."
She is a pathetic liar!
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)They'll spin innuendo or deceive and stoop to then scramble for a dictionary to try to find some other obscure meaning because they haven't got the guts and integrity to stand behind their words and actions.
Unfortunately for Hillary, she's stupid enough to think that this sort of thing will work forgetting it didn't do a lot of good in the Lewinsky situation with "I did not have sexual relations with that woman". America didn't need a lawyer to look up the words in a dictionary to figure out Bill Clinton was lying. America doesn't need a dictionary nor lawyer now either.
Whether Hillary herself uttered the actual word "unqualified" or not, the media's and America's conclusion of the obvious was that she and her campaign spent the last news cycle suggesting Sanders was not qualified and they were going to disqualify him. That's irrefutable. To lower the discourse to some sort of childish "I didn't say the word 'unqualified'" isn't going to cut it. Folks are fed up with that low grade bullshit.
If candidate Clinton is dumb enough to think America is going to fall for another round of semantics after the litany of Clinton lying and word games over the last three decades, all it proves is she isn't fit to be president because she's too effin stooooopid to read what is going on around her and see reality for what it is.
You wonder why folks don't like her? Shit like this insults people's intelligence - when it's really the low intelligence of the candidate to be dumb enough to think that nonsense like this would work. This is just another sleazy attempt at deception.
I was reflecting on that. Has there been a single day since last January as we approached Iowa that the Clintons or their campaign hasn't lied, deceived, done a dirty campaign trick or something like that? It seems to have happened every day. Is it any wonder why the Clinton White House was inundated with scandals? Some suckers are foolish enough to try to blame it all on the GOP but get tongue tied when asked to explain how Obama's White House stayed clear of scandal (except Hillary's scandals of course).
The Clintons are not a whole heck of a lot better than the scum the GOP are offering up. The only one with a shred of decency and integrity is Bernie Sanders. He has more of that than the rest of them put together.
riversedge
(70,236 posts)ics.." She will not idly sit by and allow Bernie to lie abut her.
Jarqui
(10,125 posts)Maybe that's the problem with some Hillary supporters. They've been listen to Clinton deception so long, they sometimes seem to have trouble distinguishing fact from fiction.
But that has nothing to do with my post and neither do your comments really.
Hillary wasn't responding to a specific allegation when she and her campaign made their declaration that Sanders was unqualified and they intended to disqualify him with the voters and not worry about fracturing the party until after that was done. She was just venting like a sore loser after Sanders clobbered her again in Wisconsin.
Gothmog
(145,277 posts)Sanders is wrong and is losing it
mcar
(42,333 posts)Because the truth matters.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Children are given several paragraphs to read, then INFER what the writer meant in those cases where it isn't flat out stated.
Most Americans are VERY clear on was being inferred. It was NOT a subtle insult.
And neither was the smack down that followed.
She wants to scorch the earth, she is going to feel the Bern.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)He got bad info and ran with it without thinking enough about the consequences.
I hope he dials it back because his statement last night was off the tracks.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)It makes me more comfortable he can handle Trump in the General.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'm not sure what grade you learn that when you claim somebody said "quote/unquote" something, you better make damn sure they actually said it. And now, to my delight, he's doubling down on it.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)This is especially apparent with children on the autism spectrum who have difficulty with lying and manipulation.
You should be proud of your candidate - she is very socially advanced when it comes to those skills.
Tell you what - I will believe she wasn't trying to imply and/or infer Sanders was "not qualified" when I hear the words "of course he is qualified - the Democrats have two excellent candidates who have different approaches but are both QUALIFIED for the job."
It can be another "of course Obama isn't a Muslim - we've been to church together" moment.
Wait-a-minute! That last bit never happened! Didn't she imply he was a Muslim instead?
Or is that infer? Eh, it was a clear attempt at a smear.
Sort of like "I'm not even sure he's a REAL Democrat."
But that's what happens when someone so similar to the Republicans (like Hillary is) runs against someone with REAL Democrat values - they get so confused, they can't even recognize their own party's platform!
Save your faux outrage. No one cares.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that so many here mistake for actual intelligent argument. Nobody care? I guess that's why Hillary has more pledge delegates, more superdelegates and more actual votes than Bernie.
You can't even admit saying "quote/unquote" she said.....is a fucking lie. Like trump voters, youive in your little bubble - it seems to suit you well. And don't forget those emoticons!!!
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)bounces off me and sticks to you!"
Let's talk DOCUMENTED IMPORTANT lies -
"Vast right wing conspiracy" created because she couldn't admit the easier truth that her husband was screwing around on her, so she insulted half the country instead of dealing with a troubled marriage - everything was everybody else's fault!
Ooh - what about the "never got a subpoena" lie? Shall I provide a link to a copy of it?
Or what about her lie about how she handled information dealing with classified information? I can give you a link to the Inspector General's letter about that, too.
You might not like how Bernie said it, but he spoke for the majority of the country when he told the ultimate truth:
She's not qualified to be the President.
RandySF
(58,856 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...before they shot their mouths off. If they did, this is more pathetic than it appears, and that's saying something.
It's becoming clear where the arrogance and belligerence is originating in that camp. I'd put money that they'll just triple-down on this. It's been a characteristic of other overreaches and other bullshittery from them to let the lie ride and even raise money from supporters off of it.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)RandySF
(58,856 posts)He's not qualified. It's ironic, after all the logic pretzels I've seen here, to watch Sanders supporters call her out on this, especially after all the feces-throwing from their side.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's not surprising considering he gets his orders from Weaver. That is the same Weaver who contested the results in Iowa while saying he didn't know the caucus rules all in the same interview. These people are clueless to everything except for how to separate vulnerable people from their money.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I don't know what Hillary and her fans think they're going to get out of this. Even people who don't realize it was the Hillary Campaign that began it, will only see a campaign that can't get over one little owie.
frylock
(34,825 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)So they do this instead
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)running his mouth. He doesn't think through any of his proposals.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)he's a slimy liar who's henchman, Weaver isn't much different that Rove. Weaver is coaching Bernie (I'd bet a $1M) into a disgraceful pattern of justifying theft, lying and is creating some terribly damaged goods.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Although she never said that. Have I got this right?