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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:21 AM Apr 2016

Oops! Bill Clinton Says He Accidentally Took $500,000 From Algeria During Key Arms Negotiations

This is a little unfair. If you have to play strictly by the rules, what's the point of having a slush fund?

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/oops-bill-clinton-says-he-accidentally-took-500000-from-algeria-during-key-arms-negotiation-with-state-department

OOPS! BILL CLINTON SAYS HE ACCIDENTALLY TOOK $500,000 FROM ALGERIA DURING KEY ARMS NEGOTIATION WITH STATE DEPARTMENT
APRIL 5, 2016| BY ROBERT GEHL

Bill Clinton is claiming his foundation “accidentally” accepted money from foreign governments who were negotiating with his wife while she was Secretary of State – a definite no-no.

The Clinton Foundation received $500,000 from Algeria in 2010 while the country was lobbying the State Department for an increase in weapons export authorization.

The International Business Times says that “some of those export authorizations were for weapons classified as “toxicological agents, including chemical agents [and] biological agents.”

“[Critics] said, ‘Oh you got $500,000 from Algeria at very same time they were lobbying the State Department,’” Clinton said. “Those two facts are accurate but if you put them back-to-back they are incredibly misleading. Here’s why: I never considered that the Algerians gave me the money.”

Huh?

Clinton said that at the time of the donation, “We put out the word that if anyone wanted to send me money I would forward it on quickly to Haiti where it would do most good and would take zero overhead.” The sequence of the money and the lobbying, he asserted, “was just an accident. To me it was like a pass-through. I didn’t even think about it.”

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Oops! Bill Clinton Says He Accidentally Took $500,000 From Algeria During Key Arms Negotiations (Original Post) Karmadillo Apr 2016 OP
Aw c'mon jberryhill Apr 2016 #1
That's like a rounding error in Clinton's accounts Fumesucker Apr 2016 #7
it happens to me all the time SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #101
Me too Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #108
Seriously! EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #28
I also accidentally accept ten million dollars and then accidentally report them to the IRS as zero merrily Apr 2016 #77
Amazing what you can find between the sofa cushions sometimes. jberryhill Apr 2016 #85
A little too much pass through is a real big part of the problem, Bill hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #2
I'm shocked! Xipe Totec Apr 2016 #3
LOLOLOL Bob41213 Apr 2016 #37
I'm sure if she wraps up the nomination the GOP will reveal many more "accidents." Vinca Apr 2016 #4
So how did it go for Algeria during the negotiations. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #5
Boy where they ever dupped, good going Bill. bahrbearian Apr 2016 #21
Not really Gwhittey Apr 2016 #38
How many more of these are there? Motown_Johnny Apr 2016 #6
Exactly --- esp. re Panama Papers Autumn Colors Apr 2016 #33
Exactly Exactly ! Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #75
What is truly worrisome... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #80
I know Autumn Colors Apr 2016 #82
I would guess there is overlap... Kensan Apr 2016 #100
exactly ! Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #73
That's one hell of a slush fund DetroitSocialist83 Apr 2016 #8
Just half a million. That's easy enough to overlook! nt Bonobo Apr 2016 #9
Nothing but walking around money for the Clintons. Just a couple of speeches worth of cash. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #11
Perhaps a "computer virus", like in the movie "She Devil," where Bob Patchett took from Mary Fisher? TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #10
someone standing behind him on wall street roguevalley Apr 2016 #102
and Willie Sutton just "accidentally" robbed banks. He didn't know there was that much money there. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #12
Bill Clinton Sought State Department OK For Paid Speeches Related to North Korea, Congo, New E-mails PatV Apr 2016 #13
there some trolls in this house asuhornets Apr 2016 #43
Why? Did he not do that? Does it not show a pattern of bad judgement at best, PatV Apr 2016 #48
Of course not. To dare to mention inconvenient facts libdem4life Apr 2016 #59
What happened to the March 15 puufff? frylock Apr 2016 #69
Amazing how often right-wing sourcing is used to attack Democrats at DU... SidDithers Apr 2016 #14
Something inaccurate about the OP? Or are you just deflecting? Karmadillo Apr 2016 #15
Big fan of downtrend.com, are you?...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #18
No substance. Just an insult. Quelle surprise. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #20
You're the one linking to the right-wing shitbag website, not me... SidDithers Apr 2016 #23
Smear, smear, smear. The best you can do? If it makes you happy, Karmadillo Apr 2016 #25
More from downtrend.com... SidDithers Apr 2016 #30
Smears would seem to matter more. Karmadillo Apr 2016 #35
Quoting the source that you chose is smearing?... SidDithers Apr 2016 #36
The "fringe" left that just handed Bernie 7 straight victories? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #62
lol SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #109
Is it true or not. That is the only question that counts. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #16
I'm sure there is a tabloid rag around you can read that you would consider unassailable /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #19
And another defender of downtrend.com checks in... SidDithers Apr 2016 #22
You are also a ventriloquist as well as a colonic hydrotherapist, enjoy your enima and Dragonfli Apr 2016 #31
Amazing how you didn't quite get around to responding when Stormfront was used as a source. jeff47 Apr 2016 #60
When was Stormfront used?... SidDithers Apr 2016 #61
Here ya go. jeff47 Apr 2016 #63
Linking to stormfront as evidence is one thing... SidDithers Apr 2016 #66
Holee fucking shit. frylock Apr 2016 #76
You got a problem with attribution?... SidDithers Apr 2016 #87
No sir. Not at all, sir. frylock Apr 2016 #95
Integrity is for other people! bettyellen Apr 2016 #94
Wa Post. LA Times. MSNBC. Denver Post. etc. progressoid Apr 2016 #98
And yet the OP chose to go with downtrend... SidDithers Apr 2016 #99
derailed the topic this far. go for the wall. it beats talking about how bill is for sale roguevalley Apr 2016 #103
Squirrel passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #114
I can see how this could happen very easily Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #17
Every President's spouse should have an International Slush Fund FreakinDJ Apr 2016 #24
"Dag nabbit! Where'd all this money come from!? Shucks!" Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #26
Could happen to anybody! CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #27
And the Haitians so DID NOT appreciate the Clintons -- IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #29
Seriously... CherokeeDem Apr 2016 #32
Here are some facts on Bill and Haiti Karmadillo Apr 2016 #45
and now people there work for 31 cents an hour roguevalley Apr 2016 #104
Money just shows up without strings randr Apr 2016 #34
Ka ching Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #112
"I didn't even think about it" 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #39
More from downtrend.com... SidDithers Apr 2016 #40
You can't understand why someone would link to downtrend.com.. frylock Apr 2016 #78
But they're not... SidDithers Apr 2016 #88
There criticizing the shady actions of the Democrat. frylock Apr 2016 #96
OOOPS! Well hells bells.....their entire career is corrupt manipulation. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #41
To the Clintons, $500,000 is chump change. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #42
It's so hard to keep up who is trying to buy a favor, which despot needs new armaments FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #44
I watched Senator Clay Davis give this EXACT speech on The Wire last night. Anyone remember that? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #46
Clay Davis? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #49
I see you definitely remember the man. This speech he gave was from the stand DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #52
I think is the speech you're talking about BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #56
"My world is strictly cash and carry" BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #57
It totally is! Kentonio Apr 2016 #70
Many people agree. frylock Apr 2016 #79
Very funny - I hadn't seen that bit from Family Guy BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #90
That's the one. Thank you! DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #58
+1 firebrand80 Apr 2016 #53
Just one more mere coincidence in a LOOOOOOOOONG line of coincidences. Hiding behind Haiti? Opening Skwmom Apr 2016 #47
Here's a basic question BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #50
Multiple Berniefans linking to the same RW shithole. Codeine Apr 2016 #51
is the charge wrong? Please tell us Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #65
Sincerely, The People's Blue Nation Daily News Bin. frylock Apr 2016 #81
Can you believe this shit?... SidDithers Apr 2016 #89
debunk the statement roguevalley Apr 2016 #105
This is why the Clintons are absolutely Progressives! Seeinghope Apr 2016 #54
I slipped on a banana peel once and ended up with 5,000 rubles in my pocket n/t arcane1 Apr 2016 #55
Pocket change, Hillary can earn that in two hours at Goldman. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #64
Clintons saw how the public was duped re:global warming, etc... Same playbook: denial=truth. JudyM Apr 2016 #67
Oopsie! frylock Apr 2016 #68
Same thing happend with the Saudi Arabian arms deal and the Clinton Foundation Zira Apr 2016 #71
Kick Zira Apr 2016 #72
"I did not have financial relations with that government!" TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #74
right wing horseshit I can read anywhere greenman3610 Apr 2016 #83
You realize... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #86
HOW DARE THEY CRITICIZE HER MAJESTY! TheSarcastinator Apr 2016 #91
Suddenly he and Hillary are politically naive notadmblnd Apr 2016 #84
oh my what a timely coincidence Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #92
More from downtrend.com... SidDithers Apr 2016 #93
headlines don't debunk anything. debunk it. you can't roguevalley Apr 2016 #106
Perhaps someone should list all the SidDithers apologetic posts sniping at good DUers and Democrats? PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #117
Hate it when that happens... AzDar Apr 2016 #97
They have achieved corruption zen Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #110
This is just one Oops of hundreds.... Avalon Sparks Apr 2016 #107
It's a pattern: Contribute to Foundation. Get to do Business. Octafish Apr 2016 #111
"the word was out....one of the best ways to gain access and influence....give to this foundation" amborin Apr 2016 #113
More from downtrend.com... SidDithers Apr 2016 #115
If we had single payer down here we might be able to get help with our mental issues Fumesucker Apr 2016 #116
Why don't you address the issue or the OP? PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #118

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. That's like a rounding error in Clinton's accounts
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

Do you expect them to keep track of every freaking decimal point?

Jeez...

hereforthevoting

(241 posts)
2. A little too much pass through is a real big part of the problem, Bill
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

And I was singing your praises not that long ago.




Good find.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
37. LOLOLOL
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

I don't know if it's the topic or the meme, but I let out a good laugh there.

I think it's both actually. The meme of Tyrion in context is too funny.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
5. So how did it go for Algeria during the negotiations.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016


If Algeria didn't get what they wanted it pretty much disproves it.
 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
38. Not really
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

Because Sec of State is not final say on it. They still have to convince someone else. But influence is influence and it is funny how much some people in this Country have come to except it.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
6. How many more of these are there?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

The truly funny thing being the assertion that we know everything there is to know about the Clintons and that Hillary has been thoroughly vetted.

I don't understand how anyone can support her to be our nominee.


 

Autumn Colors

(2,379 posts)
33. Exactly --- esp. re Panama Papers
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

If the Panama Papers have shocked the world, then we can assume what these documents leaked was previously UNKNOWN information.

Therefore, if there's this much previously unknown information out there, absolutely NO ONE can say with 100% certainty that Hillary has been completely vetted. The leak of these documents indicates there may be much, much more that has never come to light about her, Bill, the Clinton Foundation, and who knows how many of their associates.

At this point, until names are named, a person can only make an educated guess based on our two candidates' track record of actions/behavior.

My own personal guess (based solely on my gut feeling based on what I've read so far and my impression of the candidates and their history of ACTIONS, not rhetoric), which I know has zero value beyond my own mind -- they may each end up having acquaintances/colleagues who are mixed up in this, but I seriously doubt Bernie will be directly implicated. I think the Clintons and their Foundation will be linked, though. I only hope enough comes to light before the convention to show what a damaged candidate she would be in the GE.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
75. Exactly Exactly !
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511672077

Why the Panama Papers Should Be a US Election Issue


Whether US politicians are named or not, the kind of arrangements that allow the global super-rich to hide their wealth only exist with our leaders’ consent


-----------------
FB - The word is that they are going to start releasing the names of Americans involved Can't Wait!

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
80. What is truly worrisome...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:43 PM
Apr 2016

Is that the documents were stolen from only the 4th largest she'll company firm. Those that are truly adept financially and politically would use a much more secure and discreet firm to hide their money. For every person that goes down in this scandal, rest assured that those not named are doubling down and further burying their finances. And, the Clintons and their foundation are too intertwined in that mileu to not be heavily involved.

Those of consequence were probably told to get the eff out before the leak was released.

Kensan

(180 posts)
100. I would guess there is overlap...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

People with this much wealth wouldn't trust their entire empire to one law firm. I'm sure the super-rich clientele used the services of multiple firms. This allows them to "diversify" and spread their risk, and it also helps provide a small measure of additional secrecy about their true financial situation. No one is allowed to see the full picture, except for a very small circle of advisors.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
102. someone standing behind him on wall street
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:50 PM
Apr 2016

Some place at an atm say his balance and it was a million dollars

 

PatV

(71 posts)
13. Bill Clinton Sought State Department OK For Paid Speeches Related to North Korea, Congo, New E-mails
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

New E-mails Show

ABC News has obtained State Department e-mails that shed light on Bill Clinton’s lucrative speaking engagements and show he and the Clinton Foundation tried to get approval for invitations related to two of the most repressive countries in the world -- North Korea and the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

While Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State, Bill Clinton earned speaking fees around the globe totaling more than $48 million -- speeches that had to be vetted by the State Department to ensure there were no conflicts of interest with his wife's work as America's top diplomat. These newly revealed emails show speech requests that the State Department refused to approve.

The emails -- which have come to light because of a public records request by the conservative group Citizens United, which sued the State Department to get the documents -- show just how far Bill Clinton was willing to go to earn those lucrative fees -- seeking approval for appearances with ties to two of the most brutal countries in the world.






http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bill-clinton-sought-state-department-paid-speeches-related/story?id=33369277

***

I betcha if Hillary Clinton wasn't running for her husband's former job they'd be even richer right now thanks to North Korea and the DRC.

 

PatV

(71 posts)
48. Why? Did he not do that? Does it not show a pattern of bad judgement at best,
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

out-of-control greed at worst? Can't we not talk about stuff like this? And what do you mean by troll?

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
59. Of course not. To dare to mention inconvenient facts
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

is to be a troll or a hater or not a Real Democrat.

Let bygones be bygones as only day forward counts. Not.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
69. What happened to the March 15 puufff?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

Or the March 1 puufff? How many more Friedmans until we're all puufff'd?

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
14. Amazing how often right-wing sourcing is used to attack Democrats at DU...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

any port in a storm, eh?

Edit: more from downtrend.com

Bernie Sanders Praised Communist Bread Lines: Here’s Proof (VIDEO)
This Planned Parenthood Skank’s Face Is The FACE OF EVIL
‘F*ck This Flag’: Black Lives Matter Thugtivists SPIT ON Flag in Front of Veterans (VIDEOS)
No Queers Served Here: Mississippi Governor Signs Religious Freedom Bill as Liberals Howl
You Won’t Believe What This Norwegian Politician Did After He Got POPPED IN THE ASS By A Rapefugee
Harvard Fruitcake Compares Restroom Laws to Jim Crow, Calls for National Pee-In
Blacktivists Stymied by Princeton as Woodrow Wilson’s Name Stays
Cop-Hating Black Thug Kills White Police Officer In Virginia

etc....

But this is where alleged progressives go to get their anti-Democratic news these days, I guess.

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
23. You're the one linking to the right-wing shitbag website, not me...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

Are you defending your use of that source? Or just ignoring the fact that it's full of racist, homophobic, anti-liberal content?

But hey, they hate the Clintons, so they're OK with you, right?



The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary.

And it's getting pretty fucking difficult to tell them apart, anymore.

Sid

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
25. Smear, smear, smear. The best you can do? If it makes you happy,
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

I got the link from Naked Captialism, a good liberal site. If you'd like to substitute a more mainstream source, I googled and the story I posted is all over the place. And then once you post a more mainstream source, try dealing with the substance, not the smear. If you can.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
30. More from downtrend.com...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

The Libtardation of American Ed is Complete: College Kids Can’t Identify Ronald Reagan (VIDEO)
This is How Libtard Michael Moore Thinks America Should Coddle Killers (VIDEO)
Gay NC Child Molester Hellbent On Forcing Girls Bathrooms To Admit Men
Joe Biden’s ONE-DAY Trip to Mexico Cost More Than A Half-Million
Leftist Brings His Kids Along to Assault Pro-Lifers With Tomato Juice (VIDEO)
Hillary’s Support Getting Shaky Among Trashy Rapists
Liberal Degenerates Use Supply Drive to Send Dildos to Ammon Bundy Led Oregon Group
NYC To Start Fining People $250,000 If They “Misgender” A Tranny

and on and on and on.


That's the source you chose to bring to DU.

You didn't post a link to Naked Capitalism. You linked to downtrend.

Sources matter. Well, to some of us they do.

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
36. Quoting the source that you chose is smearing?...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:38 AM
Apr 2016

More "smears", otherwise known as headlines from downtrend.com:

White House Now Battling “Gender Specific Toys”!
Confirmed: Micky Mouse Is An Effin Commi!
College Cancels “Vagina Monologues” Because There Are Too Many White Vaginas
Lib Writer Goes FULL INSANE: Compares Ted Cruz Kissing His Daughter To RAPE
Liberal Media Gets All Teary-Eyed for Vegas Strip Killer’s Sad Past (VIDEO)
The Media is Having a Libgasm Over Amazon’s New Transgender, LGBT Show (VIDEO)
Lefty Academics Are Turning Our College Kids into Constitutionally-Illiterate Morons: Here’s Proof (VIDEO)
Michael Brown’s Family Can’t Be Troubled To Buy Him A Headstone
New York Libs Have Their Own Little Kingdom, Don’t They?


So, were you just lazy, and didn't vet your source before posting? Or do you actually agree with this shit?

Sid

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
16. Is it true or not. That is the only question that counts.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016

Is a lie from a left-wing source more or less credible than a lie from a right-wing source or vice versa.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
22. And another defender of downtrend.com checks in...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

So, tell us which are your favourite downtrend.com pieces.

Is it the one calling the Planned Parent executive a "skank"?

Or the one calling the Harvard professor who defends trans rights a "fruitcake"

Maybe the one describing BLM protestors as "Thugtivists"


We see it time and time again at DU. As long as a source is anti-Hillary, it's OK with a certain crowd here. It doesn't matter that the source is also anti-liberal, or anti-Democratic, or anti-progressive. That shit is ignored, as long as someone can post yet another anti-Hillary (or in this case, anti-Clinton) screed.

Frankly, DU used to be better than that.

Sid

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
31. You are also a ventriloquist as well as a colonic hydrotherapist, enjoy your enima and
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:21 AM
Apr 2016

Your hobby of throwing your words in my mouth.

I never mentioned downtrend, but you are a ventriloquist so I guess you get to put any words in my mouth you wish (but can you do it while drinking the colon water with your typing hand that would be true talent.)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
60. Amazing how you didn't quite get around to responding when Stormfront was used as a source.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with who it was being used against.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
61. When was Stormfront used?...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

Link?

And now, I'm sure you'll join me in criticizing the use of this right-wing shit site.

Right?

Sid

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
63. Here ya go.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=486255

And now, I'm sure you'll join me in criticizing the use of this right-wing shit site.

Right?

I've never claimed to be the link police.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
66. Linking to stormfront as evidence is one thing...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:41 PM
Apr 2016

It's not something i would do, but I can understand why someone would do it, to provide proof, or to reference a claim.

Linking to a right-wing shitsite like the OP did, because they agree with and are promoting their content, is a whole different story.

I've linked to odious sites over the years, because I think its important to provide attribution for content or opinions that I'm criticizing.

The OP is promoting right-wing content from an odious site, not criticizing it.

That said, i don't think a link to stormfront should have been posted. And the jury obviously agreed.


Sid

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
103. derailed the topic this far. go for the wall. it beats talking about how bill is for sale
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

Even to dictators.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
17. I can see how this could happen very easily
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

I accidentally got a $5 bill in my change at the grocery store instead of a $1 bill. That's the same, right?

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
26. "Dag nabbit! Where'd all this money come from!? Shucks!"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

Christ on a pogo stick, how much are we expected to put up with?

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
29. And the Haitians so DID NOT appreciate the Clintons --
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks to the fact they didn't actually do squat and created a corruption scandal.


The Clinton Foundation and Haiti Contracts, The Wall Street Journal, March 8, 2015 http://www.wsj.com/articles/mary-anastasia-ogrady-the-clinton-foundation-and-haiti-contracts-1425855083

Development banks are the butt of jokes among economists because while they claim to fight poverty they are mostly good at empire building. The same might be said of the Clintons in Haiti. A few months after Hillary Clinton became secretary of state in 2009, Bill Clinton was named the U.N. special envoy to Haiti. That gave the Clintons a lot of power over U.S. foreign-aid decisions in the small country.

They accumulated more influence after the 2010 earthquake, when Bill was named co-chair of the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission. The State Department began directing parties interested in competing for Haiti contracts to the Clinton Foundation. Being on the right side of Bill matters if you want to benefit from U.S. foreign aid destined for Haiti.

(snip)

The IDB’s gifts are perhaps easier to understand since the State Department plays a key role in approving the bank’s U.S. funding. The IDB told me in an email it made a 2014 donation to the Clinton Foundation of $150,000 for “The Future of the Americas Meeting.” Between 2009 and 2013 it donated another $925,000 to “finance expenses and activities” for the planning and design of “7 public policy forums . . . in which leaders on key topics relevant to the work of the Bank were able to exchange ideas, enhance their understanding and forge new and stronger partnerships.”

The problem with the Clintons in Haiti is that everywhere you go, they are there with the appearance of a conflict of interest. Haiti is unlikely to triumph over its long struggle against corruption when the U.S. government grants a former U.S. president wide power, with little oversight, to dispense hundreds of millions in the midst of such destitution.


The article discusses the arrest of people who donated to the Clinton Get Rich scheme in Brazil who also work in Haiti, and how the same problems occurred there because Bill was in charge.

Hundreds of millions of dollars wasted, people there still destitute and children starving.

Well, Haiti is now perfect, right? Thanks, Clintons!

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
32. Seriously...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

Does everything Bill and Hillary Clinton do have to be questioned? Bill Clinton led the way in help for Haiti after the horrendous earthquake. For that alone, he deserves respect.

If you can show me where he or his Foundation kept this money for nefarious reasons, then I'd say go for it. However, I imagine you will find it went where it was intended to go. Not everything is quid pro quo... except in the minds of the anti-Clintons. Was it in this cas? I don't know and neither does anyone who is jumping on this story.

Either get the facts or be quiet until you know.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
45. Here are some facts on Bill and Haiti
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:43 AM
Apr 2016

I assume they're facts. I don't know much about this issue, but they're from the comments from Naked Capitalism. Author cites "Clinton Cash."

<edit>

So, we should all place this bribery in “context.” How clintonian.

Here’s some “context” for ya.

Cheryl Mills was the “point person” for USAID’s response to the Haiti earthquake, Politico reported in 2013.

Bill Clinton was named co-chair of the Interim Haiti Recovery Commission, the organization formed to help the Haitian government coordinate the international donations that were then pouring into the country.

“In 2011, the Cinton Foundation reportedly brokered a $45 million deal with Digicel, a cell phone service provider, to open a hotel for aid workers in Port-au-Prince.

Owned by Denis O’Brien, a close friend of Bill Clinton’s, Digicel raked in millions after it set up a mobile system for transferring money via text message — an idea both Clintons reportedly endorsed.

O’Brien helped Bill Clinton secure three speaking engagements in his native Ireland and even covered some of the event costs himself, according to the Irish Times.

Digicel was one of the first recipients of funds from the Haiti Mobile Money Initiative, launched by USAID in June 2010.

By 2012, Digicel had taken over more than three-quarters of the mobile market in Haiti, according to Peter Schweizer’s book Clinton Cash.”


Plenty more in the article in the “context” of warren buffet/clayton homes and the swindling of land from “smallholder farmers” for an industrial park which produced neither the promised jobs nor the promised housing. In fact, in 2013 “nearly 95% of that land remains unused.” Perhaps bill is still “negotiating” with united fruit company.

It would appear that “context” is one of the famously fungible clinton constructs.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/clinton-foundation-travels-to-haiti-amid-criticisms/article/2569235

randr

(12,412 posts)
34. Money just shows up without strings
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:28 AM
Apr 2016

and it is just "passed along"? See no evil, hear no evil, etc..
What the Clintons do with their influence and leverage is not so important as how they think about it.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
39. "I didn't even think about it"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:43 AM
Apr 2016

Clintons apparently don't think many things through, but I'm sure this is just another of the too many to count lies.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
40. More from downtrend.com...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

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Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
88. But they're not...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

they're promoting the right-wing thinking at downtrend.

They're not criticizing downtrend, and providing a link to the material they're disputing.

They're using the downtrend horseshit to criticize the Democrat. They're fucking agreeing with the right-wing smears.

Sid

FlatBaroque

(3,160 posts)
44. It's so hard to keep up who is trying to buy a favor, which despot needs new armaments
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

If only the Clinton's had some staff, some helpful advisor who could assist them in navigating these right wing traps.







Corrupt and evil people. Rotten to their pathetic core.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
46. I watched Senator Clay Davis give this EXACT speech on The Wire last night. Anyone remember that?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

If you do happen to remember that particular scene from The Wire, it's striking how similar Clinton's statement is.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
52. I see you definitely remember the man. This speech he gave was from the stand
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:57 AM
Apr 2016

during his corruption trial. He said (loosely, but as close as I can recall) something like, "Yes, I took the money from so-and-so for new baseball uniforms, but you can only buy so many uniforms, so I gave the rest to my constituents--for dental work, interview clothes, bail money for Mrs Johnson's son, etc. And if that makes me wrong, I don't want to be right"...this character is slicker than whale shit on an ice floe.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
57. "My world is strictly cash and carry"
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:01 PM - Edit history (1)

The Wire is the greatest TV show of all time.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
79. Many people agree.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016


All kidding aside, yes, The Wire is the greatest TV show of all time, closely followed by Deadwood.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
90. Very funny - I hadn't seen that bit from Family Guy
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:59 PM
Apr 2016

I never saw Breaking Bad on its original run. So many people recommended it, and many said it was as good or better than The Wire. I bought the DVD set of it and am currently in the middle of season 4. While it is a very good show, I don't think it is even in the same league as The Wire. And I am in agreement with you on Deadwood as #2, perhaps with Season 2 of the FX series Fargo alongside it and season 1 of Fargo just behind, but ahead of Breaking Bad. I binge watched Deadwood a few years ago when I had HBO on Demand. I bought the DVD set of it along with Breaking Bad so I can watch it again every few years. It is about time to watch The Wire again from beginning to end again. It has been several years and with the themes of Bernie's campaign (the war on drugs, breakdown of education, mass incarceration, money in politics) I am sure I will see it with fresh eyes next time.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
47. Just one more mere coincidence in a LOOOOOOOOONG line of coincidences. Hiding behind Haiti? Opening
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

that can of worms? The protests over what happened to donation money and the 61 cents an hour in Haiti her state dept helped defeat....

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
50. Here's a basic question
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

If somebody wants to give money to Haiti without having any overhead skimmed off, why the fuck does it need to pass through the Clinton Foundation?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
51. Multiple Berniefans linking to the same RW shithole.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

Unsurprising. Disgusting, but unsurprising. In a decent universe you'd be PPRed for that sort of bullshit.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
89. Can you believe this shit?...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:57 PM
Apr 2016

and people defending the use of right-wing smears from right-wing sources.

"In a decent universe you'd be PPRed for that sort of bullshit."



Sid

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
54. This is why the Clintons are absolutely Progressives!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

They are always busy progressing their wealth!!!!!!!

 

Zira

(1,054 posts)
71. Same thing happend with the Saudi Arabian arms deal and the Clinton Foundation
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

Indict them both.

They're skimming off arms sales. Hillary was in the state department pushing through the sales (she had to give them US approval) and the countries donated the payoff money for the approval to the Clinton Foundation.

This is also PROOF that the Clinton Foundation is a MONEY LAUNDERING foundation which everyone already knows.

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
83. right wing horseshit I can read anywhere
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016

I don't expect in on DU.
I've had posts "moderated", and I don't post bald faced
nonsense.
Mods, where the eff are you?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
84. Suddenly he and Hillary are politically naive
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Now that he's caught, he's gonna play ignorant. I don't buy it. They're experts of walking that thin line of legal/illegality.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
93. More from downtrend.com...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

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Black Power Students Eject White People from ‘Whiteness’ Event (VIDEO)

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Muslim Family Kicked Off Plane For PERFECTLY GOOD REASON Demands An Apology

Thank You Liberals For Reminding Me Why I Voted For Trump!



Sid

PufPuf23

(8,776 posts)
117. Perhaps someone should list all the SidDithers apologetic posts sniping at good DUers and Democrats?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

I've never heard of downtrend.com until today.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

I know SidDithers goes out of the way to make DU an unpleasant place for many DUers and good Democrats.

Avalon Sparks

(2,565 posts)
107. This is just one Oops of hundreds....
Sat Apr 9, 2016, 03:48 PM
Apr 2016

To the tune of 150 million.

Revolving door of bribery..... Shameless.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
111. It's a pattern: Contribute to Foundation. Get to do Business.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016
The cash donations Hillary simply has no answer for

The Clinton Foundation's business relationship with 20 foreign governments raises real questions about her judgment


by DAVID SIROTA
Salon.com, SUNDAY, MAY 31, 2015

Among all the rivers of money that have flowed to the Clinton family, one seems to raise the biggest national security questions of all: the stream of cash that came from 20 foreign governments who relied on weapons export approvals from Hillary Clinton’s State Department.

Federal law designates the secretary of state as “responsible for the continuous supervision and general direction of sales” of arms, military hardware and services to foreign countries. In practice, that meant that Clinton was charged with rejecting or approving weapons deals — and when it came to Clinton Foundation donors, Hillary Clinton’s State Department did a whole lot of approving.

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors. That figure from Clinton’s three full fiscal years in office is almost double the value of arms sales to those countries during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

The Clinton-led State Department also authorized $151 billion of separate Pentagon-brokered deals for 16 of the countries that gave to the Clinton Foundation. That was a 143 percent increase in completed sales to those nations over the same time frame during the Bush administration. The 143 percent increase in U.S. arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors compares to an 80 percent increase in such sales to all countries over the same time period.

American military contractors and their affiliates that donated to the Clinton Foundation — and in some cases, helped finance speaking fees to Bill Clinton — also got in on the action. Those firms and their subsidiaries were listed as contractors in $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/31/the_cash_donations_hillary_simply_has_no_answer_for_partner/



The alternative: (IN BIG DOG ALL-HURT VOICE) 'Algeria?! I thought the check said 'Albania!'

amborin

(16,631 posts)
113. "the word was out....one of the best ways to gain access and influence....give to this foundation"
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 01:19 AM
Apr 2016
Under federal law, foreign governments seeking State Department clearance to buy American-made arms are barred from making campaign contributions -- a prohibition aimed at preventing foreign interests from using cash to influence national security policy.

snip

Just before Hillary Clinton became Secretary of State, the Clinton Foundation signed an agreement generally obligating it to disclose to the State Department increases in contributions from its existing foreign government donors and any new foreign government donors....

snip

“Foreign governments and entities may perceive the Clinton Foundation as a means to gain favor with the secretary of state,”

snip

“The word was out to these groups that one of the best ways to gain access and influence with the Clintons was to give to this foundation,” said Meredith McGehee, policy director at the Campaign Legal Center, an advocacy group that seeks to tighten campaign finance disclosure rules.

snip

Hillary Clinton’s willingness to allow those with business before the State Department to finance her foundation heightens concerns about how she would manage such relationships as president, said Lawrence Lessig, the director of Harvard University’s Safra Center for Ethics.

snip

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
115. More from downtrend.com...
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

since the thread has been kicked back up:

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That's the site that the OP chose to bring to DU.

Sid

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
116. If we had single payer down here we might be able to get help with our mental issues
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:30 AM
Apr 2016

It's the best explanation for BernieBros, you have single payer up there in Canada and not a BernieBro or a Teabagger either for that matter to be found.

A feedback loop of sorts, no mental health care leads to lots of crazy people leads to no mental health care.

PufPuf23

(8,776 posts)
118. Why don't you address the issue or the OP?
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

Try to disregard the source as the same info can be found at neutral or left leaning sites rather than smear the messenger.

The actions of the Clinton Foundation and how the Clinton's have enriched themselves post Bill Clinton's time as POTUS bears concern.

No ex-POTUS has been enriched post service as had Bill (and Hillary) Clinton.

No POTUS has had a non-profit foundation of size and scope as The Clinton Foundation by orders of magnitude.

No SOS has had a direct interest in such a foundation with obvious conflicts of interest.

Address the issue(s).

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