So what's a girl got to do to get "qualified" to run for President, Bernie?

[msanthrope]

We New York Democratic party women, the ones who show up at the meetings, work the polls, canvas, and get-out-the-vote want to know just what a woman has to do to get qualified to run for president. Please, explain it to us.

[JackInGreen]

1. If you think this is about her being a woman

you've missed the point so completely that you might come back around and hit it eventually.

[msanthrope]

4. Perfect answer. Please, tell this Democratic woman and all the Democratic women

who perceived this as a sexist remark about qualifications that we are mistaken, and shouldn't worry our pretty little heads.

[JackInGreen]

20. you shouldn't worry

though I doubt you'll find comfort in that reassurance.
The prettyness or not of your collective heads isn't a factor.

[msanthrope]

26. Perfect answer. nt

[tex-wyo-dem]

165. It's not the gender, it's the corruption eom

[Yurovsky]

87. Try not breaking the law, for starters...

to this day, no reasonable explanation has been offered for her private email server (used to conduct classified, government business). It was the only email server she used, so either she didn't deal with any classified material via email for 4 years (already proven false) or she broke the law.

It's no more complicated than that. Lying one top of that to the American people further disqualifies her for office of any kind.

Having said that, I would have supported Elizabeth Warren if she would have run for POTUS, so your desire to paint Sanders supporters as misogynist imisguied and uninformed.

Nice try though... 😏

[msanthrope]

112. Charles Pierce is my answer...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511664937

[CorporatistNation]

182. Or Fibbing So Much... Hillary Was Asked When Was The Last Time She Rode The Subway & She Responded..

Hillary: "Oh... about a year ago.." Was that Dukakis in the tank or what?

Really Hillary... I would guess that if you rode the subway it would be a major news event? Just like it was yesterday! UNBELIEVABLE! Does ANYONE believe this crap... I mean can she just be honest about ANYTHING? I cannot believe that people accept / overlook the prevarication which is clinically pathological... And involves everything small , big and in between. It is astounding!

[seattleite]

123. Claiming everything you don't like is sexist

Is dishonest and disgusting.

[Armstead]

162. Can you list the three words that are left in the English language that are now acceptable?

[imagine2015]

171. Why do you insist on using sexist terms like "our pretty little heads?

[seabeyond]

80. It certainly is not about her life long credential from a man that didn't work for 2 decades as an

adult.

[polly7]

82. Again??

Bernie Sanders graduated from the University of Chicago in the early 60s and worked a variety of jobs (and collected paychecks) throughout the 60s and 70s. He was elected the mayor of Burlington, Vermont, in 1981.

Before that, Sanders worked as an aid at a psychiatric hospital, as a pre-school teacher for Head Start, as a property tax researcher for the Vermont Department of Taxes, and for a non-profit called the Bread and Law Task Force.

[seabeyond]

86. Ya, earn a couple paychecks and move on, sleeping on someone couch or plugging into someone else's

electricity.

I got that Polly.

[polly7]

88. Ya. You re-posted that lie. I get that, seabeyond. nt.

[Jim Lane]

170. Instead, Bernie should have had the foresight to marry someone who became President

Breaking the glass ceiling is a good cause, but Hillary Clinton isn't exactly the perfect standard-bearer for it. A lawyer whose previous career highlight was being on the Board of Directors of Wal-Mart, who then moved to New York for the first time in her life and immediately ran for the Senate, would, to put it mildly, not have been elected. There are women like Elizabeth Warren (and, to be even-handed, Michele Bachmann) who made it to Congress and gained national prominence entirely on their own merits. Hillary is not one of those women.

Of course, national prominence is only one part of the equation. There are many people, men and women, whom you and I have never heard of but who are very well qualified to be President. Conversely, if Hillary, with her automatic national prominence as First Lady, had turned out on the campaign trail to be a dimwit, she wouldn't have been elected.

I don't know how much time Bernie Sanders actually spent sleeping on someone else's couch, but unlike you I see no basis for sneering at his having worked at various jobs.

[pinebox]

95. No it's about a woman who voted to send thousands to their deaths

in Iraq.

[seabeyond]

113. Sanders is as pro military as the rest. Only a gradual withdrawal with Republicans, what is that.

Kosovo War, Afghanistan, Sanders supported only a gradual withdrawal from Iraq

Sanders supported the resolution that gave support to George W. Bush in both Iraq and in the larger war against terrorism. Sanders has supported Israel’s aggressive Middle East policies against Palestinian statehood. Sanders supported HR 282, the Iran Freedom Support Act, which was similar to the resolutions leading to the Iraq War. And Sanders has stated that he too would use drones.

I am so tired of people talking about voting Sanders or we cheer dead babies.

[JackInGreen]

114. Links links links links

oh wait, you don't have any, and you decline to provide them, so..lies lies lies lies then?

[seabeyond]

124. "so..lies lies lies lies" Bah ha ha. Much easier to ignore truth and calls lies, ... Ya, right.

[JackInGreen]

128. So no links

about the way I thought it would go, but I was hoping. Come on SeaB, peel the scales off my eyes with something OTHER than your less than charming words.

[seabeyond]

133. Dude, you can take any one of those facts, google and see for yourself.

[msanthrope]

140. What....you aren't google? nt

[seabeyond]

143. I find often this need for someone to hold hands to the documentation when they are quite capable

to arrive there all by themselves.

I put a stop with my kids when they were relatively young. Lol.

[msanthrope]

146. "GO LOOK IT UP!"

I must say that phrase about a hundred times to my daughter everyday

[seabeyond]

151. Lol lol. My boys immediately go to google to challenge me.

Saves tons in arguing. They learned long ago they had better be fortified with facts if they are gonna challenge. So it makes conversation a little easier.

[pinebox]

131. What are you smoking?

Can you show us please how many are dead as a result of Sanders? We'll wait.

Honduras. Syria. Libya. Egypt. Iraq.

This is Hillary's legacy.

And yet you cite Israel. I find that laughable considering wasn't Hillary just speaking at AIPAC rather recently? Where are Bernie's comments about using nukes in Iran?

I'm so sick of Hillary supporters defending her "We can, he died" bullshit. She is a Neocon Warhawk. Period. Why do you think she's doing arms deals to Saudi Arabia? Wake up!

You want pro-Israel? Here's Hillary's speech from AIPAC a few weeks ago.

[seabeyond]

134. Stating facts about Sanders voting record is "smoking" something?

[Silver_Witch]

136. Trying answering the question!

What about Hillary's pro- Israel stance.....

[seabeyond]

137. Ha... Lol. It is almost like you are demanding something from me. Lol, lol.

[pinebox]

139. When you try to spin it with Israel

and ignore things like this? http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/hillary-clinton-palestinians/
Yeah you're smoking something.

You bitch about drones yet Hillary went even farther with the Patriot Act & voted for it, twice.
Do you REALLY want to do this? We can.

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/337864/bernie-sanders-warns-israel-to-curb-occupation-and-stop-indiscriminate-atta/






http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

[msanthrope]

141. I'll tell you sea....lots of Democratic women upset over this. Sanders stepped in it.nt

[Fawke Em]

144. More of us who aren't, though.

There is NOTHING sexist about his comment. He was mimicking what her campaign had decided to scortch the Earth with regarding him: "disqualify and defeat."

It was rhetorical and smart women, whether their heads are pretty or not, know this.

[msanthrope]

150. Nope....WaPo fact checker says Bernie lied. nt

[seabeyond]

145. A reactionary. W was a reactionary. I do not want another reactionary in the WH. Measured works

for me.

Sanders has been patting women on the head for months. And now? He simply threw another fit.

[msanthrope]

148. Precisely.....he got pissed....and now the WaPo fact checker is calling him a liar. nt

[seabeyond]

158. How many Pinocchio's for this one? It is fun having the honest candidate. Nt

[msanthrope]

159. 3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/07/sanderss-incorrect-claim-that-clinton-called-him-not-qualified-for-the-presidency/?postshare=2831460037158260&tid=ss_tw

[seabeyond]

161. Up to ten.

[TheBlackAdder]

89. No, she doesn't think that. No sane person does. She's trying to spin the topic, quite poorly.

[rjsquirrel]

92. Of course it is

but whatevs.

Former BS supporter and NY primary voter pulling the lever for Hillary here. It's about the misogyny for me.

If you don't see it, I suggest that's because you don't want to.

[CrowCityDem]

107. It is, in a way

Notice that Bernie didn't say that President Obama, who also has SuperPacs and is a 'corporate' Democrat isn't qualified to be President. He obviously feels it, since he wanted to run a primary against him, but Bernie won't say it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

138. She doesn't. It's just the most convenient, prominent and well-used lever to pull. n/t

[earthside]

156. For the Hillarians, that is ALL it is about.

No matter what they say.

Clinton is a very flawed candidate who would make a terrible President.

So, whenever challenged, it becomes only about HER.

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[Beowulf]

2. Try reading the speech. He goes into quite a bit of detail.

Way beyond the misleading headlines.

[msanthrope]

6. I read it. nt

[Beowulf]

23. Good for you!

[Kittycat]

62. Then from this woman to you. You missed it. Read again.

Be careful you don't step on any of the bodies she left laying around when you backtrack to the article. Most here don't see them, since they're mostly brown.

[hereforthevoting]

3. I think

It involves not taking money from the very industries you are being asked by the public to put to heel.

[msanthrope]

8. he could have questioned her judgment about certain donations....

But he didn't. He said she wasn't qualified. As in the Democratic senator that millions of New Yorkers voted for isn't qualified according to him.

[hereforthevoting]

11. i get the distinct impression you did not watch/read this verbatim.

Because that is basically what he did.

[msanthrope]

13. I did. nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

56. If so,

You would not go around publicizing your obvious ignorance.

Or, perhaps his concepts were too complex for you. Like taking millions in her SuperPac, or supporting Panama.

[Thinkingabout]

55. Sanders has been fund raising with these same corporations so if fund raising

With the corporations is a problem then Sanders has this problem.

[Joob]

5. If Hillary were a man, it'd be the same. It's this election were many issues were brought up

that Hillary, happened to be apart of. With respect, the morality his campaign and the election is about money in politics.

[msanthrope]

7. But she isn't a man. nt

[Joob]

9. It doesn't make it okay and I truly feel that it delegitimizes any real concerns for sexism

When you make claims like this.

[msanthrope]

19. Yes...tell me I have no "real concerns." That played well for

Bernie in the Southern States, didn't it?

Telling New Yorkers the woman they sent to the Senate isn't qualified to run for president is going to go over so well here. Telling Democratic women who actually show up and do the work that their concerns about sexism are misplaced is going to go over even better.

[Joob]

54. So because she's a woman it's sexist. None of the things she did matter? What's your opinion of

Superpacs? Voting for the war in Iraq? Supporting disastrous* trade agreements, and her
position on the Panama Free Trade Agreement?

Do these things not matter?
Are they lies?
Are they bad, but she's done more good?

Tell me why he wouldn't say that to a man in your opinion at least. Right?
Wouldn't it make a better case for you if you say why it's sexist regarding those remarks?

[Press Virginia]

79. Bingo

you can't treat a woman like a man or its mean

[timmymoff]

90. Yes she points that out constantly

and then her and her supporters make up cries of sexism. It happened on the gun issue. it happens anytime Hillary gets a sad. They want to pretend they are tough and then whine whenever her record is called out. Cries of sexism are extremely tiring.

[EffieBlack]

183. Yes - let's not point out sexism this time so we can be ready to point it out when it REALLY happens

But funny thing ... the people who insist on instructing us on when, where and how we should be allowed to point out sexism (or racism) never seem to think it exists THIS time.

"Don't get me wrong," they tell us. "I KNOW that sexism and racism exist and are a problem. But they aren't involved THIS time. I'll tell you when they do come into play. So, in the meantime, just sit down, be quiet and stop making me uncomfortable."

[Ken Burch]

12. And that has nothing to do with anything.

Bernie isn't running because he's against the idea of a woman becoming president. And those of us who support him aren;t doing so because we don't want to see a woman in the Oval Office.

If that was the issue, Bernie wouldn't have the support of millions of women across this country.

[msanthrope]

15. Funny....he only said HRC wasn't qualified. Name the man he said that about. nt

[Ken Burch]

21. She's the only other candidate in the Democratic race.

And she started this by saying he wasn't qualified.

None of the men he ever ran against had questioned his qualifications.

If any of the other candidates was still in the race and had said that about him, he'd have said that about them.

It had nothing to do with gender.

[msanthrope]

24. Excuse me....she never said he wasn't qualified. And have you not noticed the clown car?

He can find himself the courage to attack Hillary Rodham Clinton.... but not the men on the other side.

[Ken Burch]

47. He has attacked Trump and Cruz over and over again.

He's not running against them in the primaries.

HRC's gender has never been the issue. If it was, he would never have been trying to get Elizabeth Warren to run. Once shje dropped out, Bernie had to run or there would have been no progressive candidates(with corporate money it's impossible for HRC to be anything but a centrist)at all.

[msanthrope]

50. Ok, Ken. nt

[Ken Burch]

78. And she ditched the LGBTQ community, too.

She only endorsed ssm in 2013, when it no longer meant anything for her to do so. That's sort of like protesting against the Vietnam War in 1977.

She was never in your corner(other than on trivialities like a few sub-Cabinet appointments, positions that were powerless and irrelevant) in the Nineties, when it mattered.

[another]

164. I believe on Morning Joe

What she refused to say, three times, was that Sanders was qualified. Tricky, but the same as saying he is unqualified. I'd have so much more respect if she would have just have answered "Of course he's qualified, but..."

[Herman4747]

102. To be qualified, you have to show the capacity...

...to choose wise and moral advisors who give wise & moral advice.

Hillary, alas, shows she does not have such a capacity:


But they do make a lovely couple, don't they?

[Bonobo]

10. OMG!!!! You called her a "girl"!!!!

Sexist!!!

[JackInGreen]

17. +1

That Mt.Dew sacrificed to your humor, good job!

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Sounds like it starts with "not voting for the biggest foreign policy clusterfuck in 50 years"

[hereforthevoting]

16. clap, clap, clap

[msanthrope]

22. This means you didn't vote for Kerry or Biden, right? nt

[Beowulf]

28. I don't see either of them on the ballot.

And I didn't support them when they did run.

Nice try.

[joshcryer]

31. Biden was on Obama's ticket. Twice.

[msanthrope]

34. So you didn't vote the Democratic nominee for 04, 08, and 12? nt

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Your silly questions to me have very little to do linearly, with the original one in your OP.

Of course I voted for the nominee. But I felt strongly by 2008 that we needed to nominate someone without that particular albatross of a turd vote hanging around their neck. We did, and we won. Perhaps there's even a connection.

But, surprise! This thread isn't about me! (You can start one, if you want, though)

It's about the question you asked regarding Sanders' statement, and I answered it, again, in the context of Sanders's statement.

[jfern]

42. Obama opposed the Iraq war, and Hillary ridiculed him for it

[Beowulf]

48. The disingenuousness is strong in your response.

[Warren DeMontague]

29. We had this conversation. Repeatedly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1133731

[msanthrope]

30. You didn't answer the question. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

32. And here is your answer.

I supported Kerry in 2004 because I bought the exact same lame beltway conventional wisdom "electability" arguments which are being used to support Hillary.

In retrospect, I should and would have supported Dean.

By 2008 I wasn't going to support anyone who had voted for that thing. Like I said, the posts are there, i can find them if you want.

I know, I'm fascinating and so are my words.

And no, I never supported Biden for anything, in part because he's been an even more enthusiastic proponent of putting drug users in prison, than Hillary has.

[msanthrope]

36. So you didn't vote the Democratic nominee for 04, 08, and 12? nt

[Ed Suspicious]

57. Try to stay on topic.

[JTFrog]

155. I bet you didn't take part in Kerry's swiftboating.

Unlike the majority of Bernie supporters on this site who are doing their best to swiftboat Hillary.

Edwards and Kerry were defended and given many passes. No such luxury will ever be afforded to the woman running. You can stick your head in a bubble or make all the excuses in the world for it, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... it just might be a freaking duck.

[joshcryer]

35. Sanders, in June of 2015, wouldn't even go there:

Still, Sanders avoided attacking Clinton too harshly. Unlike fellow Democratic presidential hopeful former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee, he said her vote for the Iraq War was not disqualifying — “everybody makes bad votes.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-2016-president-momentum-hype-polls-118877

[Warren DeMontague]

38. She asked a question in her OP, and I answered it.

I happen to think the IWR is a perfectly legitimate topic to discuss judgment of a presidential candidate.

I realize one side would much rather talk about shit like "berniebros" all day long, but the actual legislative voting record of the candidate seems a bit more pertinent.

[joshcryer]

39. And we're talking about judgement and qualification here.

In June of 2015 Sanders did not think Clinton's vote disqualified her for the Presidency. This is going to get so much play today. And Sanders is going to walk back his statements. I know it will be disappointing. But he's a man of character.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. It may come as a surprise to you, but I disagree with the statement, too, at least as it is being

presented.

I don't think HRC is "not qualified" to be POTUS, although I do think the IWR was a shitty vote and she should have - as many Senators did - known and done better.

But I think Sanders said that in the context of being attacked as "not qualified". I'm not gonna defend the statement, but I don't think it's the "gotcha" some folks do.

[joshcryer]

49. I think Sanders got bad info and went overboard.

WaPo headline was all it'd take. I'd go off script too if I was told before a speech my opponent said I was disqualified, explicitly. And by the time the news cycle hits Sanders will clarify.

[EffieBlack]

184. I hope that, if he becomes President, he learns to show a little more discernment and self-control

We can't afford to have a President who goes off all half-cocked because someone told him that somebody was quoted in a newspaper saying something mean about him...

[joshcryer]

185. In a campaign you have to fire back quick.

So I really don't see that as initiative of how any candidate would govern.

I think he was fed bad info and that headline was very misleading and he finally after two days turned it around and said she was qualified. Much to the disdain of faux Sanders supporters who actually want him to be this completely off kilter candidate.

[EffieBlack]

190. No, you don't always - sometimes it's better not to say anything

And when you DO fire back, you'd better make sure you have your ammunition and aim straight so you wound your target rather than shooting your own self in the foot and having to spend the next couple of news cycles walking it back.

Regardless what anybody wants, Sanders WAS completely off-kilter on this one.

It's really interesting to me that, no matter WHAT Sanders does, his supporters always blame everyone but him and, even when trying to defend him, always find a way to drag in and try to smear people who have nothing to do with what he did. This isn't about "faux" supporters. It's not about being "fed bad info" or a "misleading" headline. Sanders is responsible for what he says and does and he screwed up. Period.

[Lizzie Poppet]

116. I trust you see the enormous difference:

Neither of them had a Democratic challenger who consistently opposed that travesty of a foreign policy. This time, we have that choice.

[Bonobo]

25. Ahem! Men have been killing innocent civilians for the sake of their egos for thousands of years!

The OP makes the point, quite correctly, that it is time we elect a woman that will do the same!

Are you so opposed to equality that you have a problem with that?

[uponit7771]

163. Or voting to give corporations immunity?!

[shawn703]

27. If you really need a man to explain things to you

You probably belong to the wrong political party.

[Firebrand Gary]

37. Let me refer you to your own candidate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/madeleine-m-kunin/when-bernie-sanders-ran-a_b_9170140.html

[jfern]

46. > 80% of Vermont women voted for Bernie, so who cares?

[morningfog]

33. Fail.

[polly7]

41. Not cause death and horror for millions and see their ruin as a business opportunity? nt.

[JonathanRackham]

44. I've never cast a vote based upon race, gender or religon.

I look for strength of leadership, integrity and national issues. Those should be the primary talking points. Voting based as a singular self interest tends to be selfish. What do I get out of an election vs the needs of the nation as a whole.

I miss the Democrats of the Kennedy days.

[hobbit709]

45. same requirements as for a man as spelled out in the Constitution. 35 and native born.

Those are the ONLY requirements listed.

[nc4bo]

51. Ok is she tough or a delicate flower? Politics is tough whether male or female.

Either you can deal with or you can't but you can not have it both ways.

Don't lob manure, hurry to put on your Sunday best then turn around and complain someone soiled it.

You chose to play in poo, whatcha expect?!

p.s. Hillary doesn't strike me as a delicate flower-type. She has 2 choices. Change her clothes or quit flinging bullcrap. See? Easy!

[msanthrope]

53. She's tough as nails. Someday, Bernie's going to get the courage to call Trump unqualified. ntb

[Ed Suspicious]

61. You're ridiculous. Bernie has called Trump a pathological liar.

So far he's spared your candidate despite the thirteen minutes lying video.

:Bosnian sniper-fire:

[geek tragedy]

67. Never called him unqualified.

His preference is pretty clear now.

[Press Virginia]

85. Her honestly issues certainly disqualify her

making unqualified

[Android3.14]

52. Leading comes to mind.

Ms. Warren seems to have the leadership part down pretty good.
How about honesty and integrity? That would help.
Some people think consistently supporting democratic values and civil rights would be a positive move.
How about NOT voting for the Iraq War that she knew was based on lies that resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead people? Heck, she might show a little real regret and sadness over helping to kill those people.

Knee-jerk support for an unfit candidate because of the candidate's gender is a lousy way to run a democracy.

[LexVegas]

58. More sexist bullshit from Sanders and Bros. nt

[Chan790]

59. The problem isn't getting qualified.

it's that Hillary's positions, platform and actions have disqualified her. A person is known by their actions and Hillary's actions are ones that make up a person that is unfit to be a Democratic President.

So...not be Hillary Clinton?

That's the only way Hillary is ever going to be qualified to be President. Become someone else that doesn't hold her history, values and positions. A political record is like a painting...you can't ever un-paint a single stroke, every action is a permanent part of the final work...and hers will always be filled with I'm really a stealth Republican "unhappy little trees" (to put a twist on a Bob Ross quote.)

There's just no way Hillary will ever be an acceptable Democratic candidate for the Presidency...just like when Ralph Reed tried to sue (a political stunt, I sincerely doubt he was interested in the job) claiming he was being discriminated against because his application for a job with Planned Parenthood was rejected because he was "unqualified." (By which they meant he's misogynistic bigot.)

That's the kind of "unqualified" Hillary is...the kind where you're not fit to be considered a Democrat if you've spent your entire career trying to destroy and undermine the Democratic party and its values. I daresay that stink is starting to rub off on her supporters.

[whatchamacallit]

60. Women have brains. They know when they're being played.

You insult them.

[geek tragedy]

68. Are you a woman? nt

[whatchamacallit]

69. No. Do I need to be to comment?

[geek tragedy]

72. So you mansplained to a woman how women feel.

Brilliant.

[whatchamacallit]

73. Wow, what a bizzare, twisted projection

You ought to consider taking a break.

[mainer]

64. Not make mistake after mistake

That's what a girl's gotta do.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. Not turning countries like Libya into failed states would be an EXCELLENT start.

[HughLefty1]

76. Yes, SoS record is strike one against her..

Strike 2: Iraq War vote while in Senate
Strike 3: Clinton Foundation/Corporate special interests

Folks can spin it how they want. This has nothing to do with her being a woman.

[polly7]

81. Libya. Arms sales. Suffering. nt.

[Vinca]

66. Please . . . I beg of you . . . don't play the sexism card.

It diminishes not only your candidate, but all women.

[DebDoo]

70. Short answer: The same thing a boy's got to do

And Hillary isn't doing it

[baldguy]

74. 1) Not be a girl.

[whatchamacallit]

77. Yes, Bernie's a raging sexist

says devoted feminist, baldguy.

[baldguy]

94. Democrats know that men can be feminists.

That reproductive rights are human rights. That one's gender isn't an indication of one's intelligence, abilities, or qualifications. And a woman expressing herself shouldn't be characterized as a shrill, uppity harpy merely for doing so.

The negative caricature of Clinton is a lie which entirely the creation of Republicans and the VRWC, and is entirely a reflection of their raging sexism and blatant misogyny. When the Sanders campaign and their minions pick up that caricature and run with it, then yes, they expose themselves as raging sexists.

[whatchamacallit]

96. Uh...

bullshit

[baldguy]

99. Wonderful answer ... that doesn't address any of the points made in the previous post.

[whatchamacallit]

101. The "point" being made

is an utterly false profiling of Sanders supporters, including women, as sexists.

[baldguy]

109. Using sexist GOP attacks against Clinton isn't sexist itself. Got it.

What is it then - sexism once removed?

[msanthrope]

142. It's sexism's second cousin. nt

[whatchamacallit]

167. Not sure where Bernie, or I for that matter, did that

but don't let it stop you from making moronic blanket statements about the nature of Bernie and his supporters.

[Scuba]

75. A: Not disqualify herself through horrible judgement and questionable (at best) ethics.

[LadyHawkAZ]

83. Have a track record of being right on important issues?

That'd be favorite.

[jmg257]

84. She is highly qualified. Especially vs the group now campaining.

You agree with her positions, or not. You trust her, or not. You like her, or not.

But one thing for sure, she has a shitload of experience.

[think]

91. Clinton is a pro at gaming the law. Hillary more than qualifies for the title of politician...

[bigbrother05]

93. Less about "qualifications", more about "disqualifications"

He listed several things that should be balanced against HRC's resume that could bring her suitability into question.

Sec'y Clinton has continually pointed out areas that she feels Bernie doesn't measure up in her eyes, he is doing the same. Both are ratcheting up the rhetoric as the race tightens in the final contests.

It is interesting to hear her question his late movement to the Dem party when she herself shopped around before choosing NY's lax residency requirements as a basis for her Senate run. She had no obvious ties to the state prior to leaving the WH, but she seems to have done a credible job anyway.

[pinebox]

97. Go ask Elizabeth Warren XD

[morningfog]

98. How about not picking fights she's unwilling to fight?

[baldguy]

100. Like not taking Joe Scar's bait?

Hillary passed that test. Bernie failed. Spectacularly.

[morningfog]

103. And what made Joe bring it up? Hillary camp brought it up.

I love this instant revisionism and feigned amnesia. No one is falling for it. We were all here in real time.

There were posts on Hillary camps "disqualify" strategy before the Joe interview and before Bernie responded.

Don't be a coward. Own it.

[hopeforchange2008]

104. Another feeble attempt to claim Hillary's lack of appeal is due to gender.

Trump, Cruz et al. aren't qualified either, but it also has nothing to do with gender.

[Peace Patriot]

105. You are giving feminism a bad name, msanthrope.

70 year old woman here; 50+ years as a loyal Democratic voter, supporter and activist. Been through some feminist struggles in my life. Been through agony as our party has deteriorated over the decades into the party of Goldman Sachs and war profiteers.

That's Clinton to me--the Goldman Sachs/war profiteer candidate. I've wanted to see a woman as president a lot longer than you have, I'm sure. But not Hillary Clinton. She's a fraudulent feminist, who is even now starting "triangulation" on abortion, and who has caused untold death and horror to the women of Honduras and the women of Libya, Syria and Iraq, as well as causing poverty, imprisonment and other griefs to millions women here in the U.S. When she said, "We came, we saw, he died!" and laughed, at having gotten Gaddaffi murdered, she showed not one tiny bit of feeling for the chaos, murder and rape, and vast displacement, that was about to occur to millions of women.

She has no judgement--or, rather, her judgement favors death and suffering for others, and the enrichment of billionaires.

To parade "feminism" as you do, in this insinuating way, to try to trap men into saying something that YOU can slime them as "sexist" for, is an insult to me, to the struggles I've been through as a woman, to the struggles my mother went through, and my grandmothers, and my aunts and grand-aunts, and my sisters, and the struggles many men in my family have been through to shed sexism and to be fair and honest in their dealings with women, and to the struggles of all working class women, now and in the past.

An insult. Feminism is not toy! It is not a teasing game! It is not a "gotcha." It is not a word game. It is not a little girl game. It is not a game at all. It is mode of being that serious women undertake, against millennia of cultural conditioning, to learn to be fair to ourselves, to other women, to men, and to all human beings.

Women can be shits. You know that that is true! In private life and in public life. We have no immunity whatever to being wrong, even to being very, very wrong. To accuse someone of sexism for criticizing a woman who has been very, very wrong, is an insult to all feminists, now and in past times.

Hillary Clinton has been very, very wrong on way too many critically important matters to be allowed to pull a cloak of "feminism" over her corruption and warmongering.

That is what you are trying to do. And that is wrong. "Feminism" is getting a bad name in this election for the very reason that idiots and fools are voting for Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman. They are projecting their own legitimate ambition onto her illegitimate goal of using public office merely for its vast power over others and vast amounts of money into her pockets and the pockets of her uber-rich friends. And some of them are being USED, by the likes of David Brock--who destroyed the reputation of an African American lawyer named Anita Hill, and now runs one of Clinton's superpacs!--to smear Bernie Sanders, of all people, as a sexist. This stinks to high heaven. It is a lie! And it is a smear of feminism itself. It degrades feminism. And, believe me, it will cause losses to the feminist cause.

Clinton being a woman does not elevate feminism at all. It associates feminism with corruption and scandals and war. And this kind of kneejerk 'feminism' and little girl games 'feminism' that you are playing in this thread just adds to the disrepute that "feminism" is suffering in this election.

[msanthrope]

111. What a pantload. What he said was sexist, plain and simple, and it has been

perceived as such by many women. He didn't criticize her.....he negated her.

Like I've pointed out before..... Bernies campaign refused to address racism telling people instead that Bernie simply wasn't a racist..... and you saw how well that worked in the closed primaries in the southern states. That's where he lost his delegates.

And now he's telling the people of New York that the woman who we sent to the Senate isn't qualified. Yeah it's damned sexist but you go ahead and pretend that it doesn't exist.

[Lizzie Poppet]

118. What a steaming load of ratfucking shit.

There was nothing remotely sexist about Sanders' statement, and I suspect you fucking well know it. Desperately lying to shore up your shitty, corporate candidate's plummeting campaign is despicable.

Oh, and since you seem determined to play the sexism card, please know that like you and Hillary, I also happen to be in the possession of a vagina. And my honesty. Consider relocating your version the latter.

[Silver_Witch]

147. Ohh howni wish I could write as beautifully!!!!!

Standing ovation from this proud 60+ woman who was right there with through every work! Thank you very much!!!

[notadmblnd]

106. No one said she wasn't qualified to run

She's not qualified to be President IF. is what was said. It has nothing to do with the fact she is female. So cut the man hating woman's club bullshit. And no, this mornings meme is not going to turn Democratic women against Sanders.

Either Hillary is a victim or she is tough. You folks need to decide because no one wants an eternal victim to run their country.

[Lizzie Poppet]

120. Precisely. Legally qualified. Not qualified in any other way.

[Peace Patriot]

127. You are right. This victimhood stance is absurd when it comes to...

...running the most powerful military in the history of the world, and controlling an arsenal of nuclear weapons that could destroy the world, and managing the richest country the world has ever seen.

Victim won't do. Nor will queen. Nor will 'inherited' right to 'the throne.' Nor will mere ambition for power unaccompanied by judgement, wisdom and compassion. Hillary the victim? Right. I think we women have a lot of work to do to help our sisters shed the utterly false illusion--that some of us have-- that Hillary Clinton is a victim. This is a highly contrived and orchestrated brainwashing targeting Bernie Sanders because he threatens increasingly to stand in the way of Clinton's service to her transglobal corporate donors.

This contrived and orchestrated brainwashing has been going on for some time, and I am goddamned sick of it. It is ludicrous. It is Stalinist in its mind-boggling "Big Brother" repetitiveness. And it is wrong. It treats women like children! We are so impressionable. We are so emotional. We identify with all of Clinton's troubles as a woman. We should put her in charge of the nukes because we feel for her as a woman. What rot!

Give me an honest man ANY DAY compared to this shuckin jive! OR woman. Give me an honest SOMEBODY who doesn't hide behind all these masks, meanwhile plotting her vengeance against leftists, and how she's going to finally gift Wall Street with the Social Security fund.

Enough! No more masks! I want an honest PERSON in the White House! And one who will start immediately to save our dying planet. And that person is NOT Hillary Clinton!

[Octafish]

108. Be a person of integrity.

How many people do you know who've turned $1000 into $100,000 on a stock tip?

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940330&slug=1902853

[Jester Messiah]

110. Not being a corporate-shilling chickenhawk warmonger would be a good first step.

You know, just sayin'.

[randr]

115. She has to share and express the ideals and values of the people who would elect her

That should be the only qualification for winning office.

[IdaBriggs]

117. Stop stupidly thinking Hillary's gender has anything to do with her competence.

Or lack there of.

Corruption and incompetence are not determined by chromosome arrangement.

Your post is one of the stupidest I've read in a long time.

GIRLS are children. WOMEN are adults. Your implying people who do not want Hillary back in the White House because she is a GIRL misses every legitimate issue raised, and shows why her supporters are seen as tone deaf to real world problems.

Which is why no one want her in the first place.

[Kelvin Mace]

119. I am confused

Elizabeth Warren is perfectly qualified to to be president, sadly she doesn't want to run. I can think of a number of women who would have been qualified over the years, so I don't see the sexism you seem to be implying (though I do not deny some people have sexist objections to HRC and women in general, and I condemn such people without reservation).

My criteria, however, is the same for men and women:

1) Don't take money from skeevy people, then pretend (nay INSIST) "It ain't no thing".

2) Be consistent. Nothing wrong with "evolving" on an issue, as long as you admit you were wrong and/or don't pretend you were always a champion of people you didn't champion.

3) Do NOT, and I cannot emphasize this enough, do NOT associate with war criminals and/or brag about the association.

4) Never triangulate.

5) Oppose the death penalty.

6) Never believe anything a Republican tells you, especially when you do, and then try to blame them for the consequences of your decision to believe them.

That's just a start. I can come up with quite a few more when I have more time.

[treestar]

121. He should not have said that given

That she is clearly more qualified than he is. Having been Secretary of State she has more varied experience

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

122. Her disaster after disaster as an elected official disqualifies her

Experience is more than just being something

[treestar]

129. Even if your. Exaggerations were true

Experience happens when you learn from your mistakes. And these are opinions too Having a different opinion on a vote in congress does not make anyone less qualified. I was against the Iraq war. So I am more qualified than Hillary? Absurd.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

130. She has not learned...

She wants to get involved in Syria, she destabilized Libya

[2pooped2pop]

125. Have a history of working for the people

Rather than for big business and filling your own coffers. Not selling favors for donations to yourself. Not being untrustworthy Way too late for Hillary.

[icecreamfan]

126. Supporting the Iraq war, using a super pac, and supporting the Panama trade deal

aren't things I think that most democrats in the electorate support.

Sen. Sanders remarks don't offend me at all, and seem pretty fair considering what the Clinton campaign was saying about him.

[Silver_Witch]

132. You might try calling yourself women first!

Calling full grown woman girls is denigrating. Anyone woman over 18 is not a girl! A girl is a child not someone capable of doing all the hard work you state.

And how about you stop being a sexist and accept that a WOMAN can be President if she is has the support of the people who will vote for president in a national election!!

Lastly, instead of posting silly question to "Bernie" why don't you tell us why the candidate you support should be President!

[msanthrope]

135. Girl, chill. nt

[Silver_Witch]

154. No idea what NT means!

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And I young lady am NOT a girl. I have worked hard my whole life for women's right, organized Peace marches and protested the attempt to overturn Roe v Wade. In addition I have suffered real sexism at work and in public so save your attempt to "put me in my place" with your four word response!

[msanthrope]

160. Two words. nt

[Silver_Witch]

175. Still no idea what NT means!

Use real words that people can understand.

[ms liberty]

180. No text

Meaning, not text below the title line. Also can be n/t. Another is eom, end of message.

[Silver_Witch]

181. Thank you Ms. Liberty....

Now I won't be so silly. I thought maybe Not True, or No Time...

Now I can use it when I just have a Title Line - Thank you!!

[ms liberty]

189. You are very welcome, Silver_Witch!

We used to have a glossary, but this, the newest version of DU doesn't have it. Welcome to DU!

[NorthCarolina]

149. Refund her $Million$ in graft money for starters. nt

[revbones]

152. Stop lying for one. Get a choice right for once is another.... nt

[ViseGrip]

153. You have to have a record that the decisions you made were the right ones.

After that, you talk about your campaign and what you'll do for the country. You do not continue to smear your opponents record with untruths, like Chelsea did out there....there is just a laundry list now, to answer this question. It's truly sad. Her behavior was much the same in the WH, much was written about her reactionary behavior, and no control of her temper.

[John Poet]

157. Quit being a NeoCon warmonger, for one thing.

But that's the same for men.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

166. He as talking about "being" president, not running for it.

Though, I do think, that "unfit" would have been a more apt word.

[sadoldgirl]

168. Well, well: I predicted the next step

would be victimhood.

How nice to find I did not misjudge the

character of her campaign/ers, but

then it was just too obvious.

[Bohemianwriter]

169. A few suggestions*:

How about not making bad political decisions, and then try to embrace a president she used the same smear tactics against 8 years ago?

Hillary being disqualified to be president is not sexist.
Elisabeth Warren is far better as candidate.
Unless you would rather choose Sarah Palin over Bernie Sanders.

One could ask the same on behalf of Bernei Sanders:

"What's a Jewish agnostic whose parents surviced Holocaust have to do to get 'qualified' as president?"

Playind identity politics is a bad choice in the long run. It might work in the short run if ones access to information is limited, but not in the long run.

[imagine2015]

172. So if any female or male opposes her policies and Wall Street payoffs that's sexist. Got it!

I sure wish the great feminist Hillary would stop moving to the right on abortion rights.

[imagine2015]

173. Be a feminist and fighter like Elizabeth Warren would do it.

Is Warren to liberal for your moderate tastes?

[frylock]

174. ..

[Logical]

176. Lol, so simple, pick Warren! A real dem! Nt

[JPnoodleman]

177. I had no Idea women were uniquely untouchable and sinless, beyond vetting.

Are women even mortal?

The reasons have been laid bare, and it has zero to do with being a woman, and a lot to do with being the high priestess of Goldman Sachs.

[Bjornsdotter]

178. It has nothing to do with gender

...but you already knew that.

[iwannaknow]

179. I am a woman who will not play the gender card

She is disqualified for taking so much special interest money, not because she is female.

[TheBlackAdder]

186. For starters, drop 'girl' from the lexicon. You're not doing research on child gender rolling.

.


Then, head over to Rutgers-Eagleton's Center for American Women and Politics and do some research. The only university research center that specializes in women and politics.

http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/



Hint, your OP damages a female candidate by up to 5% at the polls. If you do research above, you'll find the answer why.


Also, just because Sheryl Sandberg uses it, her "Lean In" premise is skewed towards white upper-class. You must temper it with the critique by Bell Hooks. http://www.thefeministwire.com/2013/10/17973/


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[Luminous Animal]

187. First. You have to stop calling a woman a girl.

[slipslidingaway]

188. This is repulsive, please do not assume that every criticism boils down to gender or race...

yes there are disparities and I remember when the pay was .69 cents back in the early 80's and proudly wore that button and advocated for equal pay.