Months ago we said this primary is about pragmatism vs idealism

[upaloopa]

The pragmatists support Hillary and the idealists support Bernie.

It is a fundamental difference in seeing problems and solutions.

Bernie says that people have to rise up and demand solutions and that is what will bring about change. He can't say how he will break up big banks or what size they should be. He speaks in the language of ideals.

Hillary is wonkish. She studies a problem and develops a solution given the current state of affairs.
She contrasted her way with Bernie's and said he doesn't do his homework.


I think the next debate will highlight the idealism vs pragmatism fight.

The next primaries wins will depend on who makes up the largest voting block, idealists or pragmatists.

[ibegurpard]

1. Yes she is wankish

You said it not me.

Edit: OP modified typo I was referring to to wonkish. I thought the original version was rather appropriate.

[jfern]

2. The amendment champion must be the pragmatist

So you're saying that Hillary is a 3rd way ideologue?

[upaloopa]

6. When you say "so" you are speaking for yourself not the person you are repying to.

[dchill]

3. Pragmatism in liberal politics is for losers.

[Press Virginia]

4. If by solution you mean whatever polls higher at a given time

then yeah

[highprincipleswork]

5. Is it pragmatic to lose things we have fought hard for, or to bargain from a weak position?

This is what I see New Dems doing, because they really don't care for or take care of the working class or middle class. As has been substantiated in recent articles and books, the real "base" of the New Dems are the corporations and the professional elite that lead them.

If only all those who are somewhere in the working class or middle class could see that voting for Hillary is just accepting a poor bargaining position for what we want and what we need, and that she and the mass media and Democratic Establishment will do ANYTHING to try to maintain this bad status quo, that would be a great day of waking up.

[upaloopa]

7. This is exactly like the discussions we had months ago. There is no agreement to be had because we

see things through different paradigms.

If pragmatism wins idealists will have to deal with it. If idealism wins then the opposite is true. The future will tell how things turn out.

[highprincipleswork]

10. Well, you know, I'm extremely pragmatic, & I think Hillary Clinton is the sucker punch from nowhere.

[revbones]

8. No, Hillary followers said that crapola

Bernie speaks in the language of truth.

Hillary can't even say she won't lie.

[bobbobbins01]

9. Its Corruption vs Honesty.

A corrupt pragmatist is about as useful to me as a 3rd nipple.

[Skwmom]

11. Pragmatism is code for selling out, maintaining the status quo. Why can't you be more pragmatic,

aka a sell-out like me.