2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum63 point swing to Sanders among WI black voters!
http://theamericanmirror.com/poll-hillarys-support-among-blacks-plummets-trailing-sanders-in-wi/Hillary Clintons support among black voters is collapsing like a homebrewed server under a Russian hacker attack, and Bernie Sanders seems to be surging as a result.
A recent Huffington Post analysis pointed out that Clinton led Sanders among black voters by 52 points in late February, and that lead dissolved to a mere nine points a month later. She now trails by 11 points among black voters in Wisconsin, which holds its primary on Tuesday a 63-point difference.
Its all part of a dramatic national trend that has seen Clintons support among nonwhite voters dwindle to well under a third of what it was just a month ago not nearly enough support to carry her, as it did throughout the Deep South, to future electoral victories in the Midwest and Northeast, according to the news site.
A Public Policy Polling survey of Wisconsin voters released yesterday finds Bernie Sanders as the favorite in the states Democratic primary.
Sanders leads Hillary Clinton 49-43, with 8% of voters undecided, according to a news release.
Clinton leads among actual Democratic voters in the state, 50-42. But Sanders has an overwhelming advantage with independents at 62/31, and that gives him the overall advantage in this open primary, it continues. Sanders is strong with voters under 45 (a 65/28 lead), those who identify as very liberal (59/37), and men (56/39). The only group Clinton has a substantial lead with is seniors, at 63/30.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)I also saw this before the vote, and another poll showing Bernie 10pts ahead of Hillary with the black vote. hmmmmm.....
grasswire
(50,130 posts)a 63 point swing is huge.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)Not exit polls from the election that took place on April 5. Clinton won 69% of the African American vote and 57% percent of the non-white vote, which includes anyone who identifies as other than white. Bernie got 40% of the non-white vote and 31% of the African American vote. She did not trail him by 11 points. Citing an opinion piece, which sites an even older opinion piece, makes no sense when you have actual exit polls to consult. http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/wi/Dem
I don't know what the point of this sort of thing is. Your source is obviously not current or accurate. You have actual exit polls to draw from, but seem to care far more about making yourself feel better than actually learning something about electoral trends. It is a willful effort to misrepresent, and a weak one at that since anyone can easily check exit polls themselves.
If the time comes when the majority of people of color vote for Bernie, will that means their votes can count again? Would that make them "smart" enough, unlike the inferior voters throughout the country who suffer from "Stockholm syndrome" for failing to follow the orders of Sanders supporters?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Huffington Post and PPP (Public Policy Polling).
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)You didn't cite the polls themselves. You cited an opinion piece dated five days before the election, which cited an even older opinion piece. Moreover, you chose not to consult exit polls, which are far more reliable because they surveyed people who voted on election day. You have to know that. The question then is why you instead decided to post misleading opinion pieces that have already proven to be false.
There is actual data to draw from because the election has already taken place.
http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/polls/wi/Dem
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Between February 27th and March 26th, Clintons lead among Southerners the group whose primary votes (and thus delegates) comprise the entirety of her 228-delegate lead over Bernie Sanders decreased from 15 points to just 6. Given the percentage of Southern Democrats who are African-American, even without cross-tabs available there is reason to believe Clintons declining numbers among nonwhite voters are partially responsible for this decline. Certainly, it was the strength of Clintons support among this polling demographic that assured Clinton of massive delegate hauls in nearly every Southern state: according to CNN exit polling, on March 1st black voters in Mississippi favored Clinton by 77 points, in Georgia by 71 points, in Virginia by 68 points, in Texas by 68 points, in Tennessee by 79 points, in Arkansas by 66 points, and in Alabama by a whopping 85 points.
Now that Clintons lead among black voters nationwide is fluctuating between the high single-digits and the mid-teens, it appears the sort of voting margins among nonwhite voters that made Clintons present delegate lead possible are never coming back.
Case-in-point: last week, Sanders beat Clinton in three of the ten most diverse states in America (Hawaii, Washington, and Alaska) by 39.8 points, 45.6 points, and 61.5 points, respectively.
MattP
(3,304 posts)So poll say what?
The Midway Rebel
(2,191 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)Land of Enchantment
(1,217 posts)the more they like him. All the BS with the debates was intended to squelch him and it has backfired on the DNC and the HRC campaign because they are so out of touch with the voters whom they thought they could intimidate and control. It IS a revolution of awareness and it is not going to stop. Let them throw everything slimy at him because it only reflects badly on them.
Here is an earworm song---don't read if you don't want it stuck in your head---
"I am rubber and you are glue ....it bounces off me and STICKS to you!" God, that was from the 60's....
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)They declared war...and recycled old talking points. Woo...