Bernie should not have said that...But Clinton always brings out the ugly

[Armstead]

I am not a happy camper with either of them.

Clinton dragged out the mud buckets and started tossing it around. Alas, Bernie took the bait and started throwing back.

If this is how Clinton wants to win, well to hell with her.

God, this country drives me crazy sometimes.

[morningfog]

1. She won't win this way. Dumb move on her part.

Same mistakes as 2008.

[nc4bo]

9. I guess he's just supposed to stick to his one issue and allow opposition to say whatever dumb shit

That they can fabricate over late night coffee sessions? Right?

And when he does come out swinging, we hear how terrible awful he is? Right?

Nope. I. Don't. Think. So.

[daleanime]

26. +1

[kristopher]

40. Yesterday: ""disqualify him, defeat him and ... unify the party later" nt

[LonePirate]

2. I'm less bothered by the antics of the candidates than I am by their respective supporters.

[riderinthestorm]

34. Who the hell is so shallow to base their support on anonymous Internet?

Fuck the issues right?

[ViseGrip]

3. Didn't she lob this insult fjrst? Her 'leaked' campaign tatics to come?

Bernie's not qualified? He stated if she thinks that, then he will state why he thinks the same. Hillary is not going to continue to play dirty the way she has, and come out on top.
Hillary is running a campaign straight out of a sewer.
This will hurt Bernie? Why not the person who said it first? I'm tired of Hillary, can't imagine listening to her and her shit for another 4 years. I'm sick of her already.

[riversedge]

55. You are like Bernie-you both need to do your homework. In your case try reading up

on what she actually said--or did not say-- before you do your vile comments.

[woolldog]

4. This is going to hurt Sanders.

HRC never said that Sanders is unqualified.

[Armstead]

5. It hurts America.

Clinton is NOT an innocent victim.

[Firebrand Gary]

30. This is the problem.

This was between Sander's and NY Daily News, not Hillary's campaign. This is totally on Sander's hands!

[morningfog]

36. Bullshtizz!

[Armstead]

46. No the Clinton campaign was milking a couple of small gaffes

And Clinton has been saying misleading crap all the way down the line.

I almost threw my shoe at the TV during the Florida debate, for example.

I don't blame Sanders for being angry. My problem is the way he handled that.

[basselope]

13. Nahhh...

"Scarborough: Do you think he is qualified, and do you think he is capable to deliver on the things he is promising to all these Democratic voters?

Clinton: Let me put it this way, Joe. I think that what he has been saying about the core issues in his whole campaign doesn’t seem to be rooted in an understanding of either the law or the practical ways you get something done. I will leave it to the voters to decide who of us can do the job that the country needs, who can do all aspects of the job, both on the economic domestic issues and on national security and foreign policy."

The Clintonian way... let someone else say, back them up and then claim "I didn't say it".

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. hmm yes she did

Here you go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1666180

[ThePhilosopher04]

35. No it won't.

[TM99]

61. Team Clinton

said they are going to disqualify Sanders in the eyes of the voters.

Yes, that means she is indeed saying that he is not qualified for the role of President.

Do y'all have no memories beyond last news cycle? She pulled this shit with Obama with the 3am phone call and other choice tidbits of nasty Clinton Machine smearing.

[geek tragedy]

6. This may even draw an implicit rebuke from #44.

Yeah stuff gets testy--as it did in 2008--but important to not lose perspective.

Clinton had a moment like this in 2008.

[Armstead]

7. I hope you are right. I'm all for fiesty competition about issues

But this kind of crappy personalized back and forth between candidates -- regardless of whom -- is no good for anyone.

[geek tragedy]

8. He's the party leader. Something even along the lines of

"Obviously they are both qualified."

[Armstead]

12. Maybe he ought to bring them both into his office....

and knock a couple of heads together.

But your suggestion is a good one. If he can give an evenhanded, diplomatic ""Chill Out" it would probably be helpful.

[Armstead]

22. More like Abbot and Costello with Obama as the referee

[Armstead]

56. BTW, even those we're on opposite sides of this and "get into it"......

I appreciate the fact that we can discuss things reasonably and civilly.....(sometimes )

[geek tragedy]

57. I appreciate you too.

I get the impression there's an intelligent thoughtful person on the other side. That doesn't happen much on the Internet.

[CoffeeCat]

43. Yeah, Clinton had a moment like this in 2008

it started in Iowa and ended when she conceded.

The woman knows how to direct a shit show, that's for sure.

I think the reason that she's so unhinged these days is that Bernie is squeaky clean. She's frustrated because there's no "there" there with Bernie. He's surging in NY and she's shooting Nerf darts at Bernie. Pew! Pew!

Last night we were promised a battle royale. CNN reported that the Clinton camp would "discredit" and "disqualify."

More like "drone on" and "dodge".

Tad Devine was paid too much? Bernie said something bad about JFK 40 years ago.

Srsly?

[frylock]

65. I think Obama is sitting back and laughing at Hillary's pathetic campaign.

Dood saw all this shit for himself, firsthand.

[BeyondGeography]

10. You have to literally walk through fire to win this thing

It's not for everyone. It's also why I will miss Barack Obama terribly. He is the gold standard in temperament and that's a huge part of getting and keeping this job. More people should realize it.

[Armstead]

14. It does give one an appreciation of Obama. I'm already nostalgic

I don't agree with Obama on everything, but he's a class act in many ways.

[Cheese Sandwich]

11. Doesn't destroying foreign countries and laughing about it disqualify you from being president?

I'd have thought so.

[Armstead]

15. I just think they both need to chill out on the personalized stuff

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. It's not personal. Hillary's resume disqualifies her.

She's responsible for what happened. She encouraged Obama to destroy the government in Libya. Now it's crawling with ISIS. So many people have died trying to escape. Same in Syria. Same thing when she supported Bush in Iraq.

It's not personal to say this disqualifies someone from being president.

[Armstead]

23. There are ways and there are ways

I'm for Bernie....He's smarter than to walk into the mousetrap Clinton set. He shouldn't have "gone there."

In our shitty media/political culture the personal just superseded the issues in this campaign, including the ones you mentioned.

[Cheese Sandwich]

28. There is no other way. It's the only way there is.

The media chooses what to pay attention to. They choose what to amplify and what to ignore.

A lot people died. A lot more watched their lives turn into a hell on earth. Life or death choices. There have to be consequences for these decisions or otherwise the Democratic Party is no better than the other party.

[onecaliberal]

16. She said she wanted to destroy and disqualify him this morning. Are you fucking kidding me.

[Armstead]

19. At the moment I'm pissed at both of them

Bernie should have counted to ten.

[onecaliberal]

24. He should blast her like he did

[Agschmid]

31. Nobody should "blast" anybody if we want to win the GE.

[beedle]

20. I think Bernie is just calling her "bluff"

Hillary is the one that started playing tough.

Sanders is just letting her know that if she wants to play 'hard ball' in NY then let's do it and see where this goes.

Will this kind of campaign win her NY? Maybe, but at a serious cost,losing any chance at all of having any Bernie supporters left around for the GE.

I'm betting within a day or two Hillary will be back to stealing planks from Sanders platform and hoping her delegate lead holds out on its own.

[morningfog]

39. She knows that he has so much to work with.

He has gone to great lengths not to take serious hits on her. She knows there is a long list loaded and ready. In a way, Bernie has set it up well. He hadn't spent months going after Hillary directly, so all that material is still fresh.

[beedle]

48. Yes, and

If the media wants to make a big thing out of it, then it's going to be a lot harder to talk about Bernie making controversial statements while refusing to interview him about them.

Their instincts are going to be "oh, good, another Trump sideshow", except this time they will be giving Bernie the free media time so he can make rational, well framed arguments.

[karynnj]

25. Agree completely - and wish I could write like you did here

Not happy with anything in this year's election race - the worse I have ever seen.

[seabeyond]

27. Sanders just couldn't help himself? And this is a man you want as president?

[Armstead]

32. Yes I much prefer him. But he made a mistake on this one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. When you watch politics for a living

and one pol has been a gentleman and the other vows to destroy you and say you are not qualified, you have to expect this.

In the real world of politics, if he did not do this, aka bring the big Mo out of retirement and aim guns. he would be done. Why? He is weak. That was a miscalculation from team Hillary. She did the same exact shit in 2008, and Obama responded... and she tried the victim card. The fact they decided to go there, tells me their NY internals are not good.

For the record, watch what was done to Dukakis, and Gore and Kerry. Which will explain to you why he had to do this.

I hate these kinds of politics, but when you play with fire... this is what sometimes happens. And for the record, this is ready made for NY politics. The HRC supporters miss this, but New Yorkers love a scrapper. In a more perfect political system... this would not be happening.

I hope this makes some sense to you, But what the HRC was trying was this...



And she was not expecting the weak independent from VT to hit back. Because quite frankly, the way I read the HRC campaign, they thought they could ignore Bernie and he would go away... months later he is actually threatening her nomination and it is her turn damn it! By the way, the root canal is looking far more tempting by the minute.

[Armstead]

37. In this case, I think Bernie should have taken a lesson from Obama

This is how you do it

[nadinbrzezinski]

41. Actually Obama hit her harder

than this

And it successfully painted Bill Clinton as a racist

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=5506458

We might disagree on how to respond, but he absolutely had to. Myself, as I said, I hate these dirty politics... I really do... the root canal is better sounding. But I fully get it. Also you are missing something else. Obama had to keep his cool because in this country you cannot ever, afford to be portrayed as the angry one. Never, ever.

That dynamic is not present here.

For the record, since we do run photos of African Americans, we are damn careful not to activate the angry black man in the readers minds. This means I shoot a lot of pictures. We also almost never run photos of people in county blues.

[Marr]

33. No, this rush to play the victim yet again is going to hurt *Hillary*. Just watch.

You can't argue that your opponent is unqualified and announce your intention to 'destroy him' in the morning, then cry foul when they do the same. I've no doubt the media will make all the hay out of this that they can, but in a couple of days, the disgust will be pointed at Clinton.

[ecstatic]

38. Frankly, Clinton showed enormous restraint in her interview with Jo

Let's be clear, the NY Daily news interview confirmed that Sanders is about the same as Trump when it comes to demonstrating that he knows wtf he's talking about.

So after all that restraint, for Bernie to make the nasty / preposterous comment that he made tonight, based on a false premise--is he confused or a liar? Does camp Sanders ever take time to verify shit before spouting off?

[Armstead]

42. No she was being sneaky and passive aggressive

and she was letting her surrogates to the dirty work and spreading shit about Bernie.

I don't blame Bernie for getting angry. I just think he shouldn't have taken the bait.

[ecstatic]

44. The interview was devastating. Period. You can't fault anyone for

doubting Bernie after reading that interview.

[Joe the Revelator]

45. Bernie should have been saying this months ago. nt

[Armstead]

50. Not as a Democratic candidate

He should have stuck to his long-held principles about not personalizing politics. He's been getting traction because he's a mensch. He should stay with that.

[Joe the Revelator]

51. If somebody chooses you, you stand up for yourself.

Hillary has been red baiting and poking at Bernie since February. Enough is enough. Being a mensch doesn't mean turning the other cheek.

[Armstead]

53. There are ways and there are ways.

I'm 100 percent for Bernie.

But in this case he let her mousetrap him.

He has been successful for many years by not lowering himself to that level of personalized attacks. He should have stayed with that. Doesn't mean he can't be pointed, but pointed in the way he has been.

I said "as a Democrat" because one of the things he has to do is get over the mistrust of Dems. This was not helpful to that.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

47. no. they've been playing dirty, but this morning they declared open war

He had to hit back hard or be labeled weak. She can't call him weak now.

[Armstead]

49. Weak is not one of Bernie's liabilities. Nobody doubts that he's tough.

He should have stuck to his mensch side and not stooped, IMO.

[riversedge]

52. Sanders is very weak if Hillary can do such miracles with Bernie. whow

[Armstead]

54. Sanders is anything but weak. /nt

[riversedge]

58. Your OP makes it seem like he is.

[Armstead]

66. Whatever

[EffieBlack]

59. He's acting like a jerk, but you seem to think he's a punk, too

Poor Bernie. He couldn't help himself. Hillary made him do it.

[Armstead]

67. Have you ever heard of intellectual honesty?

I was expressing an honest opinion about the candidate I support.

I suppose I could be a blind partisan and call Clinton a jerk and say "Go Get Her Bernie."

But I won't...at least not tonight.

[riderinthestorm]

60. What happened? ! nt

[ibegurpard]

62. sure he should have

She is not qualified. She has sided against the working and middle classes over and over again. She is not fit to represent the majority of the people in this country.

[Kalidurga]

63. Yeah he shouldn't have said that.

He should have said she is unfit to be President. But, I am pretty sure he said unqualified to mirror the words her campaign "leaked" about what she was going to attempt to do.

[Lizzie Poppet]

64. "Unfit" would have been better...but I have no problem with Bernie's statement.

He's right, and she had it coming.

[Armstead]

68. I'm kind of torn

Viscerally, I feel like saying much stronger things about Clinton are merited by her shameless behavior. Like $%^%&*^&%#$

But politically and tactically, i think Bernie should find a way to fight back but keep his cool.

I'd hate to see the Dem race devolve into what the GOP is doing to each otehr.