Bernie Sanders: Clinton not qualified to be President

[geek tragedy]

Sanders in Philly: "She thinks I'm not quote un quote qualified to be pres. Let me just say in response, I don't believe she is qualified."

Just now in Philadelphia.


Note that Hillary Clinton never said that about him.

Oh well. He can watch the convention from Vermont.

Never. Was. A. Democrat.

[CentralCoaster]

1. He's an honest man. And, he's correct. Clinton is clearly not qualified.

.
First and foremost, a candidate for this office must be honest, there's no grey areas here.

And, this person should represent at least most of the traditions of the Democratic Party.

I think she's had a good run, got to hold a high office, and now it's time for the people to get a real Democrat in the white house.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. Did Hillary ever say he's not qualified to be president? nt

[imagine2015]

14. Did Bernie ever say she's not qualified? Hillary has Wall Streets seal of approval so she must be!

[JTFrog]

113. Did you even read the OP? n/t

[imagine2015]

188. They failed to post a link. Was it in the Wall Street Journal?

[JTFrog]

197. Here is a video for you.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-qualified/

And she never said what he said in his "quote unquote" lie.

Real classy guy.

[riversedge]

152. Sanders said to his rally crowd tonight. Played over and over now.

[Nanjeanne]

22. Yes.

[Firebrand Gary]

31. WRONG!

[kristopher]

213. .

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Wednesday questioned whether her rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), is qualified to be president.

"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood," Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," just one day after losing the Wisconsin primary to Sanders, "and that does raise a lot of questions."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/

[Jitter65]

50. I never heard her say that. She only said let the voters decide if he is a Democrat or not.

She said he hadn't done his homework for that bad interview he just had. But if he said that, that should piss off a lot of her supporters to get out and work harder...and contribute more.

[Jitter65]

58. Is Bernie just outright lying again? When did Hillary say that?

She needs to get out and refute this immediately.

[kristopher]

165. HRC campaign yesterday: "disqualify him, defeat him and then they can unify the party later"

This is a coordinated attack on Bernie:

Hillary Clinton herself just unleashed the first part of the new "disqualify him, defeat him and then they can unify the party later" strategy we told you about. Look at this new headline:

Washington Post: "Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president"

Polls in Wisconsin haven't even been closed for 24 hours, and we're already seeing the start of the Clinton campaign's full-on attack before the New York primary. We knew they were getting nervous, but candidly, we didn't think they would go this negative so quickly. We have to be ready for what comes next.

The media is going to go wild, but he is right - anyone who helped create, engages in, and seeks to strengthen a system of complete corruption based on legalized bribery is not qualified to be the People's leader.

This is the result of massive legalized corruption:

APRIL 18, 2014
Is America an Oligarchy?

...a new study concluding that rich people and organizations representing business interests have a powerful grip on U.S. government policy. After examining differences in public opinion across income groups on a wide variety of issues, the political scientists Martin Gilens, of Princeton, and Benjamin Page, of Northwestern, found that the preferences of rich people had a much bigger impact on subsequent policy decisions than the views of middle-income and poor Americans. Indeed, the opinions of lower-income groups, and the interest groups that represent them, appear to have little or no independent impact on policy....
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/is-america-an-oligarchy


The original study:

Sept 2014 journal "Perspectives on Politics"

Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page

ABSTRACT
Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.
A great deal of empirical research speaks to the policy influence of one or another set of actors, but until recently it has not been possible to test these contrasting theoretical predictions against each other within a single statistical model. We report on an effort to do so, using a unique data set that includes measures of the key variables for 1,779 policy issues.
Multivariate analysis indicates that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while average citizens and mass-based interest groups have little or no independent influence. The results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

The last paragraph of their findings:

Despite the seemingly strong empirical support in previous studies for theories of majoritarian democracy, our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts. Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association, and a wide-spread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organizations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

"...America’s claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened."

[oasis]

195. That's no justification for lying. Bernie of all people.

What a disapointment it must be for his supporters.

[kristopher]

208. His statements were true - engaging in legalized corruption is a disqualifier.

That's why he doesn't do it and why he is in this campaign.

Do you approve of a system that passes no legislation - zero - that isn't approved by special interests?

Do you approve of a system where rich donors control the levers of government?

[oasis]

286. "dishonest" negative attacks were never associated with Bernie's persona.

Now he will have to explain to a shocked voter base why he is not just like any other "politician".

[GreatGazoo]

81. CNN

“They’re [Clinton’s campaign] running out of patience. So they’re going to begin deploying a new strategy. It’s going to be called: ‘Disqualify Him, Defeat Him’ … I’m told, beginning here in the New York primary in two weeks on his gun record, on other things.”

http://www.inquisitr.com/2968811/clintons-new-strategy-for-sanders-disqualify-him-defeat-him-unify-party-later/

[Dem2]

110. Did she say that?

Who presented this as the word of Hillary, the link certainly doesn't claim that - it quotes a WINGNUT source "newbusters" - that's a very poor source for reliable information.

[GreatGazoo]

121. Four more reports

Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/6/1511446/-Clinton-s-Next-Strategy-Slash-and-Burn-Then-Worry-About-Party-Unity-Later

WHOTV-NBC 13
http://whotv.com/2016/04/06/clinton-plan-defeat-sanders-then-unify-democratic-party/

inquistr
http://www.inquisitr.com/2968811/clintons-new-strategy-for-sanders-disqualify-him-defeat-him-unify-party-later/

reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4dnnjg/new_low_email_from_the_campaign/

[Dem2]

135. All just essentially link-spam

Nothing new there, please help me a find the para where Hillary clams she plans to "disqualify" Bernie. The articles provide 2nd hand information initiated by that same newbusters troll.

[DFab420]

128. Yes. This morning she did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Wednesday questioned whether her rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), is qualified to be president.

"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood," Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," just one day after losing the Wisconsin primary to Sanders, "and that does raise a lot of questions."

[Dem2]

137. I read that quote over and over again at several links

She's not claiming that she's attempting to "disqualify" him, it's just normal criticism one expects on a daily basis.

[DFab420]

142. Disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

As Sanders took a victory lap following a 14-point triumph in Wisconsin, Clinton took fresh aim at the Vermont senator as part of a three-part strategy before the New York primary on April 19: Disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.

"Some of his ideas just won't work because the numbers don't add up," Clinton told a labor union audience Wednesday in Philadelphia. "In a number of important areas, he doesn't have a plan at all."
It's the latest chapter in Clinton's approach to Sanders. She's tried ignoring him, brushing him aside, gently dismissing his policies. The Clinton campaign has refrained from going nuclear on Sanders, aides say, in large part to keep at least some good will alive in hopes of unifying the party at the end of the primary fight.

[Dem2]

144. Where is the quote?

I just want to see where she said that.

[Agschmid]

161. There isn't one.

Apparently know we are pretending the editorial words WAPO wrote Clinton said.

More made up shit.

[CoffeeCat]

180. She completely disparaged him

And his judgment; and she questioned that his ability to understand his own policy ideas.

He responded in kind.

She suggested quite a lot about his judgment and character.

He blasted her back. This is a heated political cat fight and you're hung up on semantics?

Weird.

[Dem2]

189. This is pretty mild stuff

His direct statement about her being qualified might be considered by some to be excessive, though I could care less what either candidate says - the Democrats are ultra-mild compared to the insanity of the Republicans; it's the voters who can decide if they think either candidate has gone too far.

[George II]

281. And yet, no one can come up with the quote. Why? IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!

[CoffeeCat]

282. She trashed him

and her surrogates trashed him all day long. Hillary even said that he wasn't a Democrat.

Who cares what she did or didn't say? His main point was that SHE is unqualified. And he laid out two very good reasons--her Iraq War vote and her corrupt corporate campaign funds from Wall Street and other powerful interests.

Hillary mouthpieces are desperate to take the focus off of Bernie's very accurate words.

Let's keep it going Bernie! We've got about 2,000 more reasons to go!

[George II]

283. "Who cares what she did or didn't say?" ?? Because if she "trashed him" it would....

....be helpful to know exactly HOW she trashed him.

Just saying it happened doesn't do that.

Until someone can come up with what she said the only conclusion people can draw is that it didn't happen.

And that's precisely it - IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

[CoffeeCat]

284. I think people understand that Clinton and her campaign

spent the entire day trashing Bernie

Bernie responded.

The only people who are sooooo concerned about semantics, are the Hillary people who are making much ado about nothing.

No one is impressed. You guys and your faux outrage are hilarious.

Bernie responded by saying that Clinton is unqualified. He gave to very appropriate reasons. I hope he gives more.

[George II]

285. Fine. We can all see that it didn't happen, no one is fooled with this false claim by Sanders.

Bye bye.

[George II]

288. You may want to check this out.

http://bluenationreview.com/morning-joe-defends-hillary-on-bernies-unqualified-attack/

[kristopher]

215. Washington posts actually understands english

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Wednesday questioned whether her rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), is qualified to be president.

"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood," Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," just one day after losing the Wisconsin primary to Sanders, "and that does raise a lot of questions."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/

[Dem2]

217. Still looking for the quote

You can interpret any way you want, but she never said the word "disqualify".

[kristopher]

226. It doesn't matter what you are looking for.

Communication occurs at many levels where words and they way they are used have very real meanings.

If you haven't yet achieved the breadth of knowledge, experience and understanding in English of a typical 8 year old you might want to investigate either an English-as-a-second-language course or perhaps a course in applied linguistics.

[Dem2]

230. Yes, Jeff Zeleny made this statement without a source

Jeff Zeleny: “they're running out of patience. So they're going to begin deploying a new strategy. It's going to be called: "Disqualify Him, Defeat Him" … I'm told, beginning here in the New York primary in two weeks on his gun record, on other things.”

and:

The quote quickly made its way to Reddit and to the Sanders campaign, which sent out an email warning of the coming storm.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2968811/clintons-new-strategy-for-sanders-disqualify-him-defeat-him-unify-party-later/#EkC18dsyicSmiSKG.99

So Bernie's campaign ran with an unsourced statement by Jeff Zeleny on CNN.


Oh, and thanks for the ad hominem attack. I assume you're mad because you can't find a quote from Hillary, I don't think it exists. Sorry.

[fun n serious]

150. Don't double down on his LIE. She did not say that. nt

[riversedge]

153. As you know she has not. But Sanders did not today in Philly

[kristopher]

210. Yes.

Less than 12 hours before this interview the goal to "disqualify" him was articulated by her campaign.

The Washington Post:

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Wednesday questioned whether her rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), is qualified to be president.

"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood," Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," just one day after losing the Wisconsin primary to Sanders, "and that does raise a lot of questions."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/

[ThePhilosopher04]

254. Yes she did. Her campaign speaks for her.

[monmouth4]

6. He is correct. She is definitely not qualified..n/t

[Dem2]

66. Backup information?

He said she's not qualified since she raised money the traditional way.

Is this how a candidate is now "qualified" to run?

[monmouth4]

79. Her corruption, her lying, her votes....NOT PRESIDENTIAL!..n/t

[Dem2]

91. Are those Democratic party rules or opinion?

There's a difference between thinking she should raise money as he (Bernie) has, but that doesn't disqualify her from running, does it?

[riversedge]

166. LOL the RW uses those terms all the time.

[mythology]

78. Here are the requirements to be president

The Constitution gives three eligibility requirements to be president: one must be 35 years of age, a resident "within the United States" for 14 years, and a "natural born Citizen," a term not defined in the Constitution

Let me know which one of those Clinton doesn't meet.

[amborin]

93. +100000 She's both unqualified and unfit to be president; she's seriously compromised, for starters

[seabeyond]

120. How many Pinocchio's does he get for this one. Clinton beats Sanders in honest. ;)

[CorporatistNation]

159. America Needs A Direction For The Future... Hillary Is Mired In The Past!

Bernie certainly is qualified by virtue of his near flawless history in public office coupled with honesty and demonstrated quality objective judgement.

[synergie]

262. For an "honest" man, he sure lies a lot. And he's not correct,

his resume against hers proves she's far more qualified than he is. There are no gray areas here, he's just proved just how clearly dishonest, incorrect and clueless he truly is. All that negativity and the clear lies show he's doesn't represent the party he just joined and seems gleefully determined to destroy.

Yes, he's had a run, got to experience some cash and someone finally paying attention to him so, yes, the people are vociferously supporting the REAL Democrat for the White House, it's why he's not pretending not to violate his "principles" and going full on negative here and real Dems and real Progressives are not impressed.

[CentralCoaster]

270. Only one candidate is going "full on negative" and it's not Sanders.

You're too funny with "got to experience some cash" comment.

Look, a person can have years and years as, say, a teacher and principal and thus be said to be very qualified by their resume.

But if they've been naughty in the neighborhood but never quite caught and most of the parents think that the person is dishonest, then that person really isn't qualified to be the next school superintendent.

In our opinion, Hillary is disqualified in these ways, dishonesty and shady dealings.

Toast.

[whatchamacallit]

2. What, like that's going to send home?

Oh man what a weird planet you live on...

[geek tragedy]

13. no speaking slot for him. Democrats only. nt

[whatchamacallit]

20. Uh huh

[geek tragedy]

40. We Democrats in New York are gonna send him back to

Vermont where he belongs.

[Firebrand Gary]

33. I agree, Sander's needs to be banned from the convention!

[timmymoff]

76. Her supporters are as blind as the candidate

[fun n serious]

151. Yep. Democrats UNITE against Bernie nt

[BeyondGeography]

4. ScarJoe tried to bait her with that this morning and she didn't bite

Tried three different ways to get that very headline out of her in fact and the only thing she said was he didn't do his homework. Pretty dumb move by a thin-skinned Bernie. This is how your negatives go up.

[hrmjustin]

5. Sanders just lost NY.

NY Democrats will not like this at all.

[geek tragedy]

17. i wonder how much experience a woman needs? nt

[whatchamacallit]

24. Nice... Cup-O-Sexism

Just add hot water bullshit.

[geek tragedy]

29. Bullshit is flowing from the Independent not from the Democrat

[whatchamacallit]

36. Sorry, this will have as much traction as TokenGate

[hrmjustin]

30. Clearly the Daily News thing has rattled Sanders.

This really will not go over well here. Other states I can't speak to but Democrats don't like Democrat on Democrat violence. He might not be a dem but he is running in the party and this will not go over well.

[geek tragedy]

34. I imagine all kinds of Democrats will tee off on him on this. nt

[hrmjustin]

65. He lied during that speech. He said Hillary called him unqualified.

She did not.

[ThePhilosopher04]

83. Of course they will. Bernie will take New York.

[hrmjustin]

94. From my canvasding work here I think not.

[ThePhilosopher04]

183. You must not get out much.

[hrmjustin]

187. I canvass everyfay in Brooklyn, do you?

[DesertRat]

90. Absolutely right

[imagine2015]

7. Let the desperate mud slinging and swiftboating of Bernie begin!

If Hillary's Super Pac's and mouthpieces throw enough mud at Bernie some of it will stick .... so they hope.

[Andy823]

95. You mean

Let the desperate mud slinging and swiftboating by Bernie begin!

Seems like his is making things up as he goes. Guess he is taking the low road now instead of the high road. Devine and Weaver must be so proud of him now!

[Agschmid]

8. This was a foolish comment in my opinion.

This primary is really making me unmotivated... Both candidates have done things I'm not happy with.

[imagine2015]

19. What alleged comment?

[Agschmid]

57. I replied to an OP.

I'd check that.

[AgingAmerican]

9. You didn't listen to the speech, did you?

Context is everything.

Oh and love the new found-purity of Hillary supporters!

[MrMickeysMom]

10. Seems to be a case of the unqualified trying to disqualify

NO one in their right mind would say that Bernie Sanders was never a Democrat. Of course, he is. What makes this laughable is how silly you must think we all are.

Get a grip.

[asuhornets]

11. I hope he doesn't get to speak at the convention..n/t

[redstateblues]

12. Bernie is losing it. Not ready for prime time

[JanetLovesObama]

28. I am honestly concerned about Sanders'

mental health this past month. I think the stress of this campaign has gotten to him. I cannot begin to fathom him as POTUS.

[JRLeft]

39. I've been concerned about Hillary's.

[dinkytron]

200. You mean when she fainted a few years back.

[frylock]

92. Get back when Bernie loses his shit on camera.

You want to see someone who is stressed out?

[ibegurpard]

185. sure you are

[JanetLovesObama]

15. Hillary never said Sanders was not

qualified to be President. She said he is not a Democrat. He isn't. He jumped on the Democratic bandwagon just to run for President. He refuses to even donate a dime of his "big" cash haul to the Dem down ticket. Pitiful.

[DesertFlower]

21. the fact that he hasn't contributed

bothers me. seems like he only cares about himself.

[babylonsister]

86. She said this-same thing.

“He’s been talking for more than a year about doing things he, obviously, hadn’t really studied or understood, and that does raise a lot of questions," Clinton said.

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politics-news/hillary-clinton-questions-whether-bernie-sanders-is-a-democr.html

[DebDoo]

127. Why would he? If we wanted our money to go to the DNC we would've given to the DNC

This is a weak attempt at criticism of Sanders.

[DesertFlower]

16. he shouldn't have said that. she

is the most qualified candidate of all.

[imagine2015]

27. Qualified to do what? Get us involved in more wars? She certainly has the credentials for that!

[DesertFlower]

37. couldn't resist, could you?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

204. Did you think we weren't serious about this stuff?

Did you believe it was a game? For my part, I'm dead serious when I call her a corrupt liar, a criminal, and a world wrecker. My stance toward her candidacy is commensurate with how I feel. And no, I won't even try to resist saying that when I have a mind to.

So why would you assume that the proper impulse is to "resist"?

[Seeinghope]

55. He is more qualified on his worse day than Hillary Clinton.

He isn't a flip flopper. He didn't vote to go onto Iraq. He voted against the Patriot act.

Sanders did something particularly original, which was that he passed amendments that were exclusively progressive, advancing goals such as reducing poverty and helping the environment, and he was able to get bipartisan coalitions of Republicans who wanted to shrink government or hold it accountable and progressives who wanted to use it to empower Americans.



Corporate Crime Accountability (February 1995): A Sanders amendment to the Victims Justice Act of 1995 required “offenders who are convicted of fraud and other white-collar crimes to give notice to victims and other persons in cases where there are multiple victims eligible to receive restitution.”



Saving Money, for Colleges and Taxpayers (April 1998): In an amendment to H.R. 6, the Higher Education Amendments of 1998, Sanders made a change to the law that allowed the Fund for the Improvement of Postsecondary Education to make competitive grants available to colleges and universities that cooperated to reduce costs through joint purchases of goods and services.



Greening the U.S. Government (June 2007): A Sanders amendment made a change to the law so at least 30 percent of the hot water demand in newer federal buildings is provided through solar water heaters.

Protecting Our Troops (October 2007): Sanders used an amendment to win $10 million for operation and maintenance of the Army National Guard, which had been stretched thin and overextended by the war in Iraq.

Restricting the Bailout to Protect U.S. Workers (Feburary 2009): A Sanders amendment required the banking bailout to utilize stricter H-1B hiring standards to ensure bailout funds weren't used to displace American workers.

Helping Veterans' Kids (July 2009): A Sanders amendment required the Comptroller General to put together comprehensive reporting on financial assistance for child care available to parents in the Armed Forces.

Exposing Corruption in the Military-Industrial Complex (November 2012): A Sanders amendment required “public availability of the database of senior Department officials seeking employment with defense contractors” – an important step toward transparency that revealed the corruption of the revolving door in action.


Support for Treating Autism in Military Health Care: Sanders worked with Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) to pass an amendment by a vote of 66-29 ensuring that the military's TRICARE system would be able to treat autism.

As Senator

While Sanders was an amendment king who was able to bring bipartisan coalitions together to make serious changes to laws, he also knew how to be a thorn in the side of the establishment until it offered up something in return. Sanders was able to get the first-ever audit of funds given out by the Federal Reserve, which made transparent over $2 trillion of funds handed out by the secretive organization. This was a cause that Republican congressman Ron Paul (TX) had been pursuing for decades, but Sanders was able to get the votes to do it by forging a compromise that required an audit for the bailout period alone.

When the Affordable Care Act was in danger of not having the votes to pass, Sanders used his leverage to win enough funding for free health treatment for 10 million Americans through Community Health Centers. This gutsy move—holding out until the funds were put into the bill—has even Republican members of Congress requesting the funds, which have helped millions of Americans who otherwise would not have access.

Another moment came when Sanders, who was then chair of the Veterans committee, worked with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), to overhaul the Veterans Administration. McCain praised Sanders' work on the bill in an interview with National Journal. Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) even went so far as to say the bill would never have passed without Sanders' ability to bring the parties to a

But Sanders has a theory of change, in order to be an executive who can pass progressive policy even in the face of a recalcitrant Congress. He frequently talks about a “political revolution” that means vastly increasing voter turnout and participation in political activities so conservative lawmakers and Big Money are unable to overwhelm public opinion. During the Democratic debate, this line had its doubters, from former Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA) to a skeptical Anderson Cooper.

Sanders is probably not so unsure of himself. After all, he's done it before. When Sanders was mayor of Burlington, Vermont, one of his big accomplishments was to increase civic life in the city. During the course of his terms, voter turnout doubled. In his eight years as mayor, he rejuvenated a city that was considered by many to be dying, laying out progressive policies that cities around the country later adopted, and he did all this without particularly alienating Republicans. As one former GOP Alderman noted, he implemented ideas from the Republican party that he felt were not particularly harmful to working people, such as more efficient accounting practices.

It's easy for the establishment media and politicians to make the assumption that Bernie Sanders is not an effective lawmaker or executive. He has strong convictions and he stands by them, and we're often told that makes one a gadfly—someone who is out to make a point rather than make an actual change. But with Sanders we have the fusion of strong principles and the ability to forge odd bedfellow coalitions that accomplish historic things, like the audit of the Federal Reserve or the rejuvenation of Burlington that has served as a model for cities around the country. “Don't underestimate me,” Sanders said at the beginning of the race, words that anyone who knows his political and policy history take to heart.

[frylock]

99. She is the most groomed candidate of all.

FIFY

[KingFlorez]

18. Judging from that disastrous interview, he isn't qualified

It's not even a matter of who you like in this race, Sanders comes off as extremely unprepared.

[amborin]

103. Top economists praise Bernie's statements; NYDN = Daily Mail; you parrot HRC's lies

[KingFlorez]

126. Calm down, no need to get agitated

I based my opinion on what I read with my own eyes and that was what came out of Bernie Sanders own damn mouth. Clinton couldn't make him screw up in that interview.

[TheBlackAdder]

23. I'd like to see this in its full context, instead of in some elementary school parent gossip blurb!

.


Reading some of the posts, it looks like the children have taken over the school.


.

[Nanjeanne]

44. I'm sure his Philly speech will be on YouTube. It was great watching it live. And yes

Context is everything.

[choie]

26. I don't care if he's running under the black alligator party.

he is THE Democrat in this race. His policies are Democratic. No matter how many times and how loudly you say he "never was a Democrat" the truth remains - he's more of a Democrat than Clinton ever was or ever will be.

[geek tragedy]

32. No, he's not. He never was. Not a team player.

He's a party of one.

[choie]

47. that is bullshit..

the policies that he's promoting will help US - he has US in mind and you're right, Clinton is a team player - as long as the team is a corporation.

[geek tragedy]

64. He will not be the nominee. He does not even belong in this party. nt

[choie]

97. You're repeating yourself, because you have no response...

[dflprincess]

63. The Clintons have never been Democrats

and the only team they've played for is their own because they care more about their own ambitions than anything else.

[geek tragedy]

71. They have raised money for and campaigned for dozens

if not hundreds of Democrats. Bernie never lifted a finger to get a single progressive elected.

Vanity candidate. Just like his buddy Nader.

[timmymoff]

96. The team of what

regime change? Fracking? Tar sands? bankruptcy bills? free trade agreements? lobbying to keep minimum wage lower in other nations? Failure to fight for our minimum wage increases. If that's the team you so highly adore, you don't have a democratic team you have a conservative team. Not interested in being part of a team like that.

[frylock]

105. #I'mWithHer

[redstateblues]

140. Bernie only added Democratic to soften Socialist

When he thought about running for POTUS. He's a fraud

[Jackilope]

269. Classic projection.

HRC is a weather vane and will say or do anything to get to nomination. If elected, we will have plenty of war, we can kiss the hope of single payer Medicare for all goodbye, TPP will get ushered in at our peril, Wall St. and big banks will have less regulation and continue to put all of us at risk over another tragic economic meltdown.

[Nanjeanne]

38. This is more tweeting reporting than actually the whole context.

Which anyone could have listened to like I did. He said (and I'm paraphrasing because I was listening and not typing) I don't think she is qualified based on ... Then he listed things like support of disastrous trade agreements, supporting Panama trade agreement, voting for the Iraq War, taking millions of dollars from special interests, etc.

Went over really well with the more than 10,000 people in the audience.

[geek tragedy]

46. Of course, Hillary Hate goes over well with his people.

Maybe he can ask her to get some coffee for him.

[Nanjeanne]

98. You really need a tranquilizer. It's not Hillary hate. It's people who,prefer

someone else.

She is not a victim. She is a candidate. So is Sanders. The people in that audience preferred Sanders and believe he is more qualified. End of story.

How about you just support your candidate?

[geek tragedy]

107. He said she is not qualified. That is not disagreement.

That is what Birthers said about Obama.

He is going to pay for those remarks here.

[Nanjeanne]

118. Okey dokey. I'm sure he reads here. Make him pay.

[JRLeft]

48. The sound bite tabloid media rears its ugly head again.

[Nanjeanne]

102. Always. It's so tiring. But they got nothing else.

[NowSam]

41. Her new tactic was stated as "Disqualify him"

So I'd say she is saying so.

[geek tragedy]

49. That is not the same thing. Or even close. nt

[NowSam]

82. Really?

What is the definition of disqualify?

dis·qual·i·fy
disˈkwäləˌfī/Submit
verb
pronounce (someone) ineligible for an office or activity because of an offense or infringement.
"he was disqualified from driving for six months"
synonyms: banned, barred, debarred; ineligible
"the disqualified entrants included a girl who had lied about her age"
eliminate (someone) from a competition because of an infringement of the rules.
"he was disqualified after failing a drug test"
(of a feature or characteristic) make (someone) unsuitable for an office or activity.
"a heart murmur disqualified him for military service"

To have as a campaign strategy the goal to disqualify your opponent in the minds of the voters is to attempt to render the candidate unqualified which means not qualified.

[Thinkingabout]

43. His swift boating of Hillary does not change the fact she is the most qualified candidate running.

Did someone advise him Hillary had said he was not qualified because if he was advised incorrectly and an apology is needed for false information.

[CharlotteVale]

45. He's so right. She's a corrupt, incompetent fraud.

[geek tragedy]

53. No, she's qualified. nt

[Karmadillo]

106. Yow! Three cites. No wonder Hillary's hornets are ignoring your post.

[Karmadillo]

52. Washington Post: Clinton questions whether Sanders is qualified to be president

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/

Former secretary of state Hillary Clinton on Wednesday questioned whether her rival in the Democratic presidential primary, Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), is qualified to be president.

"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood," Clinton said in an interview on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," just one day after losing the Wisconsin primary to Sanders, "and that does raise a lot of questions."

Clinton's comments follow a New York Daily News interview with Sanders that critics say revealed his inability to explain specifically how he would accomplish goals such as breaking up the biggest banks.

<Sanders details process for breaking up banks following criticism over New York Daily News interview>

more...

[geek tragedy]

56. Where did she say "he's not qualified?" nt

[Karmadillo]

67. Sad, isn't it, when one of your side's chief propaganda outlets undercuts your argument.

[geek tragedy]

172. No, the headline is false. She never said it.

To say she said it is blatantly false.

Your candidate just committed career suicide tonight.

[Agschmid]

68. She didn't, and she won't.

[amborin]

109. but, she did

[Agschmid]

119. Post a link.

[nadinbrzezinski]

136. You mean the link posted in Karmadillo's post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/06/clinton-questions-whether-sanders-is-qualified-to-be-president/

[Agschmid]

160. But the headline clearly doesn't match the story.

And there is no quote of her saying it.

There is video of him saying it, and that video isn't going to help with any unity of the party.

[nadinbrzezinski]

163. but the story does

and CNN's sound yesterday does as well

She started this fight. You guys are reacting as I expected... I just expected it later. But this is 2008 all over again.

I hate root canals, but it is what it is...

And myself actually smiling at reading how this was going to go, albeit I expected it later.



She is betting all and working on burning the party to save it... so be it. When you play with fire in politics, the return fire might be just as hot.

[Agschmid]

167. Who is "you guys"... Because it certainly isn't me.

I'm ready to support the candidate whomever that is, I'm not holding my vote "hostage".

Can you say the same?

The important election is the GE.

Bernie said it, Hillary has not, FWIW she won't say it. They are both qualified candidates, now how about we just let the people vote. His comment was out of line.

[nadinbrzezinski]

173. My vote is my business

as an independent voter I really do not care who your party nominates. And I have told you this a few times, But you guys... I mean HRC supporters, I said I could not wait for the GE... well it seems I get to see this earlier.



For the record, I cover this shit... and this year somebody promised me a boring primary... turns out it is nothing of the sort.

[Agschmid]

177. Yah sure...

I really do not care who your party nominates

I believe that...

[nadinbrzezinski]

179. I really could care less what you believe

but her campaign declared war on the weak old guy last night, and they got a response they were not expecting and now we will see (like 2008) the victim card.

[R B Garr]

178. I find it pretty funny that people who have been posting here for 13 years

are all of a sudden "independents" because it sounds cool. It looks very disingenuous.

[Agschmid]

181. Yup.

[Agschmid]

243. Check out the hide below, not my alert.

I actually didn't even see the reply... But wow.

That escalated quickly.

[R B Garr]

261. Wow, she's called me that before and other names.

This started immediately after the BLM protests when they interrupted Bernie twice. She has a much different story about BLM now that they have targeted other politicians, as well. Can't say too much more because of alerts.

And there's her tedious vendetta about 2008. It gets really old to see a phony narrative prolonged as if there's some big story there instead of just beating a dead horse. So that looks like why it escalates. I usually try to avoid her, but I like geeks threads. Thanks for your post. You always add a lot to the threads.

[Cha]

289. Aloha RB Garr...

All they have are insults and they think they're clever.. all it does is show what they're like and nothing about their target.

They really need to stop projecting all the time.

Mahalo for bringing substance to any thread.

[Cary]

273. Emotional progressives

I have heard it both ways. Some say the release of KKKarl Rove talking points by alleged liberals will be good for the Party, bringing in new voters. Others say that the radicals are taking us on the same path that radical "conservatives" are taking the Republicans, thus negating the huge advantage that we should have as a result.

I would think the prospect of any "conservative" let alone an ego maniac like Trump being president would scare the living bajeezers out of emotional progressives.

[demtenjeep]

290. i would think that if one was so upset about the democratic party enough to tout independent

they wouldn't have 150,000 posts

if it didn't fit my mold of the political discussion i wanted, i would find something like the independent underground

but that is just me. i don't spend my time on conservative forums, i don't wish to constantly debate

[Cary]

272. If you don't care who we Democrats nominate then what are you doing here?

You're not making any sense.

[DebDoo]

157. Disqualify - to deprive of qualification or fitness;render unfit; incapacitate

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html


"New York (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders in the eyes of Democratic voters, hoping to extinguish the argument that he is an electable alternative for the party's presidential nomination."


Disqualify

verb (used with object), disqualified, disqualifying.
1.
to deprive of qualification or fitness;render unfit; incapacitate

[jillan]

60. Let the backfire begin.

You play with backfire, you're gonna get berned.

[geek tragedy]

129. He just said a woman who is the most qualified candidate

for President ever that she's not qualified.

Stupid attempt at a dog whistle that will backfire.

[Purveyor]

61. About time the gloves came off! Give'm hell Bernie... eom

[geek tragedy]

88. he's going to get ripped tomorrow like nothing

he has ever experienced.

[Purveyor]

141. What it will give him is an opportunity for some decent

face time in front of the cameras.

Up to him to capitalize on it.

[geek tragedy]

143. Lol, no, it will be

"Has Bernie Sanders lost his damn mind?"

Lots of professional women in NY.

[tgards79]

62. It's sad

I really believe he is just running out of gas, a tired old man. Like The Daily News interview.

[riversedge]

164. Hillary does not say he is not qualified. Instead the WPost stirs you all up with

innuendos and you love it.

[flamingdem]

70. Rachel was full of bull

Hillary has been saying Bernie is not a real Democrat for a while now, and the latest attacks about his knowledge are just the usual sliming native to her campaign.

Bernie turned it around to remind people that Hillary is in the pocket of the 1%

[geek tragedy]

75. He just proved he's not a real Democrat. nt

[flamingdem]

87. His point was that she is funded by the 1%, where's the

not real Democrat in that? Sounds FDR like to me.

[geek tragedy]

101. His little purity prance has gotten old.

He's going to have prominent women in NY and PA ripping him for calling Hillary Clinton "not qualified."

He may get 30% of the women's vote here.

[Andy823]

72. Wow it didn't take long for the swarm

To jump in on this one. They all must be on speed dial from fearless leader!

[ThePhilosopher04]

73. He's right, she isn't qualified to President. She's not qualified to be Dog Catcher either.

[frylock]

74. The gloves are coming off.

This is what you wanted, right? They pull a knife, you pull a gun.

[Agschmid]

168. It's disgusting, it's making me literally check out of the process.

[frylock]

170. Welp, Sanders tried to run a campaign based upon differences in policy.

Clinton has been mucking about in the shit since jump.

[amborin]

175. yes, HRC's campaign and HRC's behavior are disgusting; she swiftboated Bernie,

and last night announced she was going to attack; people with corrupt pasts are fair game

[Jarqui]

77. According to CNN, Clinton's campaign said they were going to "disqualify" Sanders

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democrats-unity/index.html

Hillary Clinton's campaign is taking new steps to try and disqualify Bernie Sanders ...

As Sanders took a victory lap following a 14-point triumph in Wisconsin, Clinton took fresh aim at the Vermont senator as part of a three-part strategy before the New York primary on April 19: Disqualify him, defeat him, and unify the party later.

[CalvinballPro]

80. His retort amounts to "I'm rubber, she's glue."

The Sanders Campaign: Endless Amateur Hour

[DesertRat]

84. She's the MOST qualified candidate BY FAR.

He sounds beyond desperate.

[Cheese Sandwich]

85. Hillary has displayed total disregard for human life in Iraq, Libya, Syria,

and even here in the United States. She laughed like a psychopath when asked about launching a first strike nuclear attack against other countries, and when she heard about Qaddafi being lynched. She said the US had given Iraqis the greatest gift, the gift of freedom, after we had bombed and destroyed their whole country and millions of lives had been destroyed, based on lies. There's something very wrong with her. A couple years later she was calling it an opportunity for corporations to make fat profits. She's done enough damage now she ought to step aside.

[kcjohn1]

89. I like this approach by Sanders

I have heard recently in NY if you are not on the attack, you are on the defensive.

He won Wisconsin, but all the media narrative is him defending himself on multiple fronts. He has to stay on the attack.

[beedle]

100. FFS Maddow is doing a pice on this now

She played it as though it was Sanders that started this, when Sanders is responding to Hillary fwho started this crap this morning on Morning Joe syaing he wasn't even a Democrat "He’s a relatively new Democrat, and, in fact, I’m not even sure he is one. " ... Like she wasn't sure Obama was Christian wither.

Fuck you Maddow, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt as jus tplaying 'devil's advocate', but this went way over the line.

[Nanjeanne]

145. Then she didn't play the whole thing. He prefaced his statement

Outlining the reasons he says she isn't qualified with the statement:

Hillary Clinton has said , I'm not qualified. Well let me tell you .., (I paraphrased)

[geek tragedy]

198. Clinton refused to say he wasn't qualified.

They tried to bait her and she didn't.

And then the angry demagogue threw his temper tantrum.

[Lil Missy]

247. Sanders did fire the first shot.

It's time to drop the hammer on Sanders. Squash him like a bug.

[jmg257]

104. Nice...things are heating up! And still 13 days till NY!

Great theater, with so much at stake, still to come.

[Jefferson23]

108. lol

[geek tragedy]

114. I'll be laughing tomorrow when he gets painted as a

patronizing old sexist tomorrow by local figures here.

Will be fun to watch his supporters' hope die this month.

Cheers!

[Jefferson23]

116. You play with fire as she has, you often get it thrown back at you.

Cheers!

[Bodhi BloodWave]

174. Ya know, the fact that you will 'enjoy' watching the hope of fellow democrats die

says quite a lot about you, and none of it good.

Addendum: Used enjoy in the title since if you are having fun with something you are enjoying it, just incase its claimed the poster never used the word enjoy.

[DesertRat]

111. Bye Bye Birdie

[ViseGrip]

112. If Hillary's foreign policy, fracking, wall street shilling is a democrat, then most of us aren't.

[renate]

115. I'm a Bernie supporter and I'll say it

I don't think he should have said that. I disagree with her positions on a whole lot of things, but she's qualified. She's seen what it's like to be President, up close and personal, for eight years and was a senator and then Secretary of State.

I love Bernie to pieces but I have to disagree with him on this. I am not a fan of hers, but she's as qualified as anyone else and then some.

[geek tragedy]

132. Thank you, and much respect to you. nt

[KMOD]

117. Bernie Sanders is an a$$

Enough is enough.

[baldguy]

122. Desperation is a sad emotional state.

[geek tragedy]

124. He's burned his bridges. Time for the mid-Atlantic states to end the Bernie campaign's

relevance

[Kalidurga]

123. He should have said she is unfit.

Just because people will trot out the very few qualifications someone must have to be President of the United States. Most people in this country are qualified by those rules, but very few are fit for the job.

[nadinbrzezinski]

125. When one goes low, the other will defend himself

this is basic politics... I am sure she will play the victim soon though and I mean that, She did the same with Obama when Obama threw it in her face.

[geek tragedy]

131. He was not defending himself, he went gutterball

This is going to cost him in NY. Those who were not his adoring worshippers will be appalled.

[nadinbrzezinski]

134. She went that low today

and she added the cherry on top when she laughed at his supporters.

She did the exact same thing in 2008... it will be fun (like a root canal) to watch the next two weeks.

[geek tragedy]

138. No she did not. If you read the transcript of what she said, she quite explicitly declined to say

he wasn't qualified.
He's the one who went there. Against a more qualified woman.

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. Yes she did

and her campaign is also going full in with a disqualify and destroy campaign. This was on CNN's air last night

"The Clinton campaign has been watching these Wisconsin results come in, and the delegate race of course is tight there, but the reality is they're running out of patience. So they're going to begin deploying a new strategy, it’s going to be called disqualify him, defeat him and then they can unify the party later."

Disqualify Bernie, defeat our movement, and pick up the pieces later. That's their new strategy.

This might work with your friends, but we are not idiots. When you play with fire, don't be too surprised when the other side does as well.

Until now the Bernie campaign had been very nice, all things considered. I read this as this is over, and yes, the Clinton campaign started it.

And try to justify this.

“There is a persistent, organized effort to misrepresent my record, and I don’t appreciate that, and I feel sorry for a lot of the young people who are fed this list of misrepresentations,” Clinton said. “I know that Sen. Sanders spends a lot of time attacking my husband, attacking President Obama. I rarely hear him say anything negative about George W. Bush, who I think wrecked our economy.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/david-axelrod-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-221620#ixzz456VQ5JvW

And by the way, Sanders has been very critical of dubya as well.

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="

" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Just for example. It took two seconds.

Sow the wind... and as I said, this will be as fun as a root canal. At least these days they use anesthesia. But to those of us who watch polticsl for a living... this is hardly surprising.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

224. No intellectual dishonesty permitted.

No one is claiming a direct quote, and we're not in the second grade. Deal with this one as an adult, and don't dishonestly feign ignorance to try to win a point. You didn't win it, and everyone sees through it anyway.

[Adrahil]

130. He has lost his fucking mind.

I was hoping he could honor his pledge to not go negative. I guess it was too much to hope for.

I'd still vote for him if he gets the nom, but it would not be enthusiastic support.

Very disappointed in him.

[karynnj]

133. This is a stupid mistake on his part - even as it was a reaction to her team hitting him unfairly

He could not afford any mistakes - certainly not something this big. Such as negative HRC comments hurt her, this will - and should - hurt him. The difference is that she had the space and lead to make many mistakes - and she did - without still being the most likely to win.

Not to mention, here, he gives up the biggest asset he had - that he was running a positive campaign.

[geek tragedy]

139. This cost him 5-10 points in Manhattan, Westchester and

Long Island.

Moronic. His fans cheering it on don't realize what he just did to himself.

[CentralCoaster]

148. Oh bullshit. First, the only people who care would be Hillary supporters.

Second, 95% of voter probably will never know about this drama.

So, of the 5% remaining, only the Hillary supporters care, Sanders supporters are unmoved.

Impact on votes received = null.

[karynnj]

156. I would bet that it might hurt more in the hinderlands - NY and elsewhere

My perspective is based on having grown up in Indiana.

I have been mystified at some nastier than needed Clinton comments. I think that many of them did hurt her favorable numbers. However, she always had the luxury that she could make some errors. I think that Bernie, had he run the more inspiration, well executed campaign ever seen (run by at best untried campaign people), it would have been a super long shot. That he has done as well as he has reflects a combination of a very disgruntled population, many Clinton missteps and him being progressively seen as a reasonable alternative.

[Gothmog]

147. Sanders will regret this act of stupidity

Sanders will have zero chance of being the nominee now unless he wins by pledged delegates only.

[Capt. Obvious]

149. 12! Ah, ah, ah

[The Midway Rebel]

154. Hillary said she wanted a fight, now she has one, and her supporters are in a state of shock and awe

I don't get it.

[MFM008]

155. instead of yelling at GOP

We have 2 candidates in a pissing contest and yelling at clouds.
Terrific. Good thing I'm about a half hour from the Canadian border, will make it easy when Cruz or Trump takes over.

[northernsouthern]

158. You may want to edit your post OP

Sanders in Philly: "She thinks I'm not quote un quote qualified to be pres. Let me just say in response, I don't believe she is qualified."


Just now in Philadelphia.


Note that Hillary Clinton never said that about him.

Oh well. He can watch the convention from Vermont.

Never. Was. A. Democrat.

I am amazed no one else has mentioned it yet, but it took me three reads, your double negative makes it saying she said he is qualified. You may want to switch that unless she did say that. Also there is a qoute"quote button that would make it easier to read.

As for the news I hope this does not turn in to baseless critiques back and forth, the point of this process is to vet the candidates, playing with gloves on seems cheap...but still keep it above the belt.

[JonLeibowitz]

255. ...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/quote_unquote

[northernsouthern]

260. I really need to go to bed, my posts are failing more and more...

But yes "quote unquote" would make wayyyy more send than "quote un qoute". (<- meta) Spaces mean something! Like I said I was reading it after a very long day of data entry, translations, and such...that extra space did not work in my coding mind, it threw an "unexpected error". One wants one's quotes.

[Nanjeanne]

162. There's a big difference between being unqualified by your actions and being

Unqualified. He said her judgement makes her unqualified. Same thing I say about her. It's no different than her saying he was unqualified because he didn't know how to break up the banks. Except in her case, he does know how. And in his case, she does have lousy judgement.

[geek tragedy]

171. He's crossed into Nader territory.

Saying someone isn't qualified for the office is what they say about Trump.

No one outside of his adoring fans is defending this. A lot of supporters do realize how bad this is.

[nadinbrzezinski]

186. NADER? Ok that is funny

[geek tragedy]

265. You can't endorse someone you've said is unqualified.

It can't be unsaid. It's the kind of thing the Never Trump crowd says about the Don.

Looks like you were right about the contested convention. Looks like he wants to be a loser for an extra month.

I expect him to go after the emails issue within a week.

[cherokeeprogressive]

169. Clinton not qualified to be President

Clinton is clearly not qualified.

[geek tragedy]

184. Not touching that one. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

256. Haven't condemned it either..interesting.

[geek tragedy]

264. Not sure what the exact meaning is, will let the person explain

if they meant abandoning Brooklyn during the height of the white flight era, or whether it's anti-semitic.

[Joe the Revelator]

190. You have some serious issues.

[nadinbrzezinski]

191. Testing that talking point?

I got screenshots of other sites. So are you testing it on the old DU?

[Luminous Animal]

193. She isn't.

[geek tragedy]

194. Yes, according to Hillary Haters.

Actual Democrats and those not motivated by intense personal hatred know she is.

We're going to stomp him so hard in NY. Gonna be fun to watch him lose and lose and lose.

[geek tragedy]

199. Will you follow him back out of the party?

Bernie has broadcast his decision to go Nader.

[Agschmid]

207. Hi welcome to DU, care to rein it in a bit?

[Agschmid]

214. No biggie, I know it seems like a free for all around here.

So don't take cues based off the rest of us.

[geek tragedy]

209. He burned his bridges. He can't endorse her.

He can't win.

Maybe he'll just lose and then shut up and slink back to Vermont. That's probably the best case scenario.

[Marr]

242. Why are you making things up?

"Go Nader"?

[Luminous Animal]

202. I do not hate Hillary. I do not know her personally. I do disagree with her world view.

I disagree that she views welfare recipients as deadbeats, I disagree with her friendship with Saudi Arabia and her decision to sell them 10 million dollars of weaponry.

I disagree with her position on fracking. I disagree with her position on "free" trade.

Plainly. I disagree with her on issues that are important to me/

[geek tragedy]

205. Disagreement on issues is different than qualification.

Mitt Romney was qualified. Bob Dole was qualified. Jeb Bush was qualified.

Dennis Kucinich was qualified.

[Luminous Animal]

216. So why do you characterize Bernie supporters as Hillary haters. Clearly we disagree

on issues.

Apparently, disagreeing on issues, according to you, makes a person a hater.

To me, that is a remarkably simple minded binary thinking.

It's as if we are all school yard 3 year olds and cannot embrace nuance or complex issues.

Few here actually hate Bernie and few here actually hate Hillary.

And what a bizarre notion that anyone would make that conclusion solely based on the opposition to their preferred candidate's positions.

[geek tragedy]

220. When people say the most qualified candidate in presidential

election history is not qualified, they are not judging her on qualifications.

When they say she is as dangerous as Trump, they are not looking at policy.

When they call her a corrupt, monstrous baby killer, that is not a policy discussion.

And half this forum hates her.

[Luminous Animal]

231. I knew would not answer me directly. You responded with the simple minded

response, which is… you disagree with her, ergo, you hate her.

What an infantile approach to political discussion.

[geek tragedy]

233. I can say I disagree with John McCain but that he is

still qualified for the office.

Bernie thinks Clinton isn't qualified for the office. Either he's a sexist or he thinks he's the only qualified candidate in US history, since he's the only one who doesn't have policy differences with Bernie Sanders.

which interpretation do you think is less frightening?

P.S. According to the issues he cited, Donald Trump and Pat Buchanan are more qualified than Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

[JonLeibowitz]

259. You're unqualified to be president if you don't intend to preserve, protect, and defend the

constitution while seeking to take the pledge saying you will.

vimeo.com/148092658

[geek tragedy]

263. Republicans say that about Obama every day nt

[geek tragedy]

222. Please tell me that is a joke.

I can't tell.

[NutmegYankee]

228. I can tell you didn't write it.

Because you clearly don't understand it.

[geek tragedy]

229. That is the craziest thing I have ever read on DU.

And someone said Skinner is Karl Rove just yesterday.

The 22nd Amendment does not apply to the President's spouse. To say it does is amazingly bonkers.

I just can't ...

[Agschmid]

237. So I guess a welcome back is in order?

[Agschmid]

240. Okay but they all say that!

It would be more interesting if you would just say who you were previously.

It's alright we all get nine lives around here.

[Agschmid]

245. Yah, well I try.

[NutmegYankee]

227. You have got to be joking.

25th Amendment:

Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.[3]

Acting President is when the President is unable to perform their duties, such as illness, but still holds the Office.

[NutmegYankee]

234. They are all part of the same document.

And the 25th clearly defined what acting means since it was considered vague in the mid-20th Century. Because it is well defined (Since 1967), your post saying Hillary was acting scored an 9.2/10 on the ROTFLMAO meter.

[NutmegYankee]

241. I put it in bold in my post.

If you couldn't read that, a visit to the optometrist is probably in order. Staring at PC screens does do a number on one's eyes.

A looksie at Article II, Section 1, Clause 6 would probably help too:

In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

[NutmegYankee]

248. ...

Try reading what you just wrote again.

[NutmegYankee]

250. You have a document that describes why and who will act for the President.

You quoted a piece of that document completely out of context and tried to apply a pop-culture view. The first lady is not eligible to act as President under the Constitution. Your argument has met with calamity.


There are only 2 possible outcomes remaining:

1. You are unable to acknowledge that you were wrong and will continue to argue the abstract to avoid facing it.
or,
2. You are so dense you could serve as nuclear reactor shielding.

[NutmegYankee]

253. Not a believer in Thatcherisms.

I'm a science guy. The facts prevail, even if intermingled with contemptuous language

Thatcher was also discussing political philosophy debate and not arguments over discrete facts. Given the human trends towards The Backfire Effect and Invincible Ignorance Fallacy, frustration is common and normal.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

201. I find no problem with his statement. In fact, I endorse it.

[geek tragedy]

203. A Hillary Hater endorses Hillary Hate. Shockeroo!

You must also think Obama is unqualified since he fails St. Bernard's tests of qualification

[DisgustipatedinCA]

221. You suck pretty badly at predictions. You should stop. It makes you look ridiculous.

[geek tragedy]

223. I predicted a double digit Sanders win in WI when the polls showed

a dead heat.

45% is his ceiling here and he'll be lucky to hot that after the poison he just belched in Philly.

[timlot]

211. I'll be glad when the Primary is over. Folks are losing their minds.

Hillary is going to be the nominee.

[Beacool]

219. Nasty, just plain low. So much for his promise not to go negative.

Washington (CNN) — Bernie Sanders said Wednesday that Hillary Clinton is not "qualified" to be president, a sharp escalation in rhetoric in the Democratic primary.

"Secretary Clinton appears to be getting a little bit nervous," he told a crowd in Philadelphia. "And she has been saying lately that she thinks that I am 'not qualified' to be president. Well, let me, let me just say in response to Secretary Clinton: I don't believe that she is qualified, if she is, through her super PAC, taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds. I don't think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your super PAC."

CNN has reached out to the Clinton campaign for comment, and its surrogates responded quickly on Twitter.

"Hillary Clinton did not say Bernie Sanders was 'not qualified.' But he has now - absurdly - said it about her. This is a new low," campaign spokesman Brian Fallon tweeted.

Clinton was asked Wednesday morning by MSNBC whether she thought Sanders was "ready to be president."

"I think he hadn't done his homework and he'd been talking for more than a year about doing things that he obviously hadn't really studied or understood, and that does raise a lot of questions," Clinton said. "Really what that goes to is for voters to ask themselves can he deliver what he's talking about."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/06/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-qualified/index.html

Hillary was talking about Sanders over promising on things that he wouldn't be able to deliver, given the reality on the ground. She never said that he was unqualified. I shouldn't be surprised that a man who was never a Democrat until he decided to use the party for his own purposes, has no compunction in tarnishing the party's probable nominee.

[Luminous Animal]

236. Oooh! Will he? Inquiring minds want to know111!!!

[dchill]

251. Wow! 250 replies!

And 23 recs.

Thread fail.

[Bohemianwriter]

266. Bernie embodies democratic core values...

from FDR and JFK. Hillary doesn't.
Instead, she and her husband has worked to tear down what FDR have established.

Reasons why Hillary is not qualified.

“I don’t believe that she is qualified if she is through her super PAC taking tens of millions of dollars in special-interest funds.

“I don’t think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your super PAC.

“I don’t think you are qualified if you voted for the disastrous war in Iraq.

“I don’t think you’re qualified if you supported almost every disastrous trade agreement.

“I don’t think you are qualified if you supported the Panama free trade agreement, something I very strongly opposed, which has given the green light to wealthy people and corporations all over the world to avoid paying taxes owed to their countries.”

He is right on every single account.

On another note: Bernie has brought hundreds of thousands if not millions of NEW VOTERS to the party. Talk about establishment Hillary loyalists being ungrateful.

[Joob]

267. Agree completely, thanks. nt

[Bohemianwriter]

268. No problem N/T

[geek tragedy]

271. so you and Bernie think that Donald Trump and Pat Buchanan are more qualified

than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton?

Because Trump and Buchanan pass Bernie's qualification test with flying colors.

Obama and Clinton flunk it.

[Bohemianwriter]

275. I fail to see what relevance..

that strawman has to do with the issue at hand.

It must be the Daily "News" kool aid trickling down on the Hillary campaign.

Same kind of BS strawman.

[geek tragedy]

276. who is more qualified--Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton? nt

[Bohemianwriter]

277. None of the above.

What makes Hillary qualified and Bernie not?

[geek tragedy]

278. She actually understands the policies for which she advocates, for one thing.

She can articulate a rationale for her own positions, for another, as compared to Senator Didn't Do His Homework

Plus, she realizes that starting a trade war with the rest of the planet is actually a bad thing.

But, thanks for confirming you don't prefer Clinton to Trump. A very common occurrence amongst Sanders supporters, and apparently the candidate himself.

[Bohemianwriter]

280. And the big lie is that Bernie don't have a clue what he is talking about...

Yours and Hillary's disgusting lies has been taken down. So why repeat that lie?

She is not articulate, she is running away from questions and is playing you for a fool for thinking she's squeechy clean regarding money in politics.

And your other disgusting strawman is to link me to Trump when it's the Clinton's who have taken money from him.

Trumps last wedding had one presidential candidate as guest. It was not Bernie, and it was not Ted Cruz. It was Hillary. So if you want a republican in the WH, keep up your game. You seem to belong in that club who hates universal healthcare and loves money in politics.

[CalvinballPro]

274. He won't be watching from Vermont. No electricity in his shantyshack, apparently. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

279. "Unfit" would be a better choice of words.

[PeaceNikki]

287. Not only is he jumping sharks, he's filling schoolbuses with sharks,

lining them up next to each other, setting them on fire, setting himself on fire, and jumping the flaming schoolbuses filled with sharks, while flaming.