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Only one Democratic candidate voted to send our children to a war based on lies. (Original Post) Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 OP
Meh.... non-issue manufactured by Sanders n/t cosmicone Apr 2016 #1
Sending our young men and women to Iraq, some of whom died, is now a Bernie creation? JonLeibowitz Apr 2016 #2
She didn't send them to Iraq -- GW Bush did doh cosmicone Apr 2016 #3
he's the one who should be punished along with DesertFlower Apr 2016 #9
Exactly n/t cosmicone Apr 2016 #13
Yeah, certainly not those that voted to let him do it! They're completely innocent. revbones Apr 2016 #29
Actually Congress voted for it Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #32
And a non-issue!?! Shadowflash Apr 2016 #38
^ This comment says it all Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #4
You are stepping over the line kristopher Apr 2016 #5
Get over it ... 90+ senators voted for it and that is what her constituents wanted. cosmicone Apr 2016 #6
it was a terrible mistake. she admits she was DesertFlower Apr 2016 #8
Sure, why not beedle Apr 2016 #19
And neither Biden or Kerry became President. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #25
So you are admitting she wasn't a leader, but a FOLLOWER. reformist2 Apr 2016 #20
Is that you Dick Cheney? I'm not surprised to see bush and Iraq war defenders here. morningfog Apr 2016 #34
It was not a CYNICAL vote. Shame on you for saying that. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #14
I knew the Bush claims were bogus. kristopher Apr 2016 #15
Elected officials that read the evidence knew it was a lie. The others were worried about their Skwmom Apr 2016 #27
The bill passed Congress with huge majorities and support from a majority of Americans. LonePirate Apr 2016 #37
I understand you like Hillary but don't pretend to be naive kristopher Apr 2016 #39
And the majority of people in America at the time were in favor of the IWR. LonePirate Apr 2016 #41
THEY GENERATED PUBLIC SENTIMENT FOR A WAR WITH THE WRONG COUNTRY kristopher Apr 2016 #42
Another thing - it did not pass with massive majorities but the public outcry against it was massive kristopher Apr 2016 #40
that poster is a shill. They aren't here in good faith. morningfog Apr 2016 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Loudestlib Apr 2016 #10
I bet it's an issue - but she should be blaming GW Bush. n/t cosmicone Apr 2016 #11
SMH in disgust kristopher Apr 2016 #16
So? She got $20 billion for rebuilding NY cosmicone Apr 2016 #17
She voted against the war??? WOW. She should get that out there! basselope Apr 2016 #24
Yep. Sanders just made up the whole Iraq War and her vote. Yep. Got it. revbones Apr 2016 #30
That's pretty calloused. I can see you are following your marching orders. morningfog Apr 2016 #33
bush could have gone to war without it. The IF NEEDED Hoyt Apr 2016 #7
. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #12
Fixing it for you... basselope Apr 2016 #26
Sorry, let me correct you a bit: sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #18
You do remember people said that the ones that voted against the IWR in 2002 were Anti American? NYCButterfinger Apr 2016 #21
OMG, they called them names? EmperorHasNoClothes Apr 2016 #35
We knew it was corrupt when we marched against it felix_numinous Apr 2016 #22
and the best they can do is forgive and understand a "mistake" reddread Apr 2016 #23
Judgement, some realized the lies and spoke out, others did not, a simple truth. nt slipslidingaway Apr 2016 #28
HRC - The 1%s - 1%ter cantbeserious Apr 2016 #31
Hillary is cut from the Kissinger cloth, she doesn't give a flip about war dead... JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #43

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
5. You are stepping over the line
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

Seriously. How can any human with even a speck of empathy dismiss the consequences of Hillary's cynical vote for that war?

I'm being sincere when I say that your comment is literally revolting - it causes me to feel like I want to vomit it is so disgusting. Don't you have any idea of how your behavior is perceived?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. Get over it ... 90+ senators voted for it and that is what her constituents wanted.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

It is easy to sit in an insignificant state like Vermont and refuse to vote for it.

As easy it is for a senator from NY to vote for the Brady bill but Bernie voted against it FIVE times.

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
8. it was a terrible mistake. she admits she was
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:24 PM
Apr 2016

wrong. should we punish all the other senators who voted for it? kerry and biden were 2 of them and both ran for prez.

she's not perfect but she is the most qualified of all the candidates to be prez.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
19. Sure, why not
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:02 PM
Apr 2016

they voted for what anyone with half a brain knew was a pile of bullshit. We knew Iraq was not involved with 9/11, and the WMD nonsense was moronic, Desert Strom and 10 or so years of 'no fly zone' DU bombing, and super stiff sanctions made that so unlikely it was ridicules to believe there were WMDs.

They should all have resigned for making such a violent and dumbass vote.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
34. Is that you Dick Cheney? I'm not surprised to see bush and Iraq war defenders here.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not surprised they claim to be Clinton supporters.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
15. I knew the Bush claims were bogus.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016

I don't say I thought they were bogus or anything like that - I knew they were bogus. And so did a very large chunk of the populace.
I'm giving Hillary the benefit of the doubt by saying cynical because the only alternatives are that she is either extremely dull witted or a blood-thirsty warmonger.


BTW, she has claimed that she backed it in return for support from Shrub on money for rebuilding after 911. Starting a process that kills more than a million people in return for funds you should get anyway is as "cynical" as it comes.

“I’m sitting there in the Oval Office, and Bush says to me, ‘What do you need?’ And I said, ‘I need $20 billion to rebuild, you know, New York,’ and he said, ‘You got it.’ And he was good to his word,” Clinton said in response to Matthews’ question on why Bernie Sanders was right on the Iraq War vote and Clinton was wrong.


Would you like to see the video?
http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-bribe-video/

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
27. Elected officials that read the evidence knew it was a lie. The others were worried about their
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

political futures.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
37. The bill passed Congress with huge majorities and support from a majority of Americans.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:14 PM
Apr 2016

That should tell you everything you need to know about the IWR.

However, a large chunk of Americans opposing it is by no means a majority of Americans. To believe that large chunk was a majority at the time is to rewrite history. Yes, significant numbers of Americans opposed the IWR but the majority of Americans at the time supported it.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
39. I understand you like Hillary but don't pretend to be naive
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:57 PM
Apr 2016

No, I don't judge right and wrong by the standards of congress. They are there to reflect the values of the country, not the other way around.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
41. And the majority of people in America at the time were in favor of the IWR.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

Sometimes doing what is right for America conflicts with what Americans want/support. In this instance, Congress sided with supporting what their constituents supported.

It is simply wrong to say a majority of Americans were opposed to the IWR. That is not the case at all. There is nothing naïve about stating the truth that the IWR had majority support among the American people. I'm not justifying the IWR. I'm simply relaying an accurate fact of recent American history.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
42. THEY GENERATED PUBLIC SENTIMENT FOR A WAR WITH THE WRONG COUNTRY
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

DELIBERATELY.

They created fear and stampeded SOME the US public with propaganda that was utterly transparent - Remember Valarie Plame, Judy Miller; slashing the price on the war like a used car salesman; we'll be greeted like liberators?

On and on. At least half of the public knew they were lying and those in the Senate - all of them - knew the justifications were a lie. The 911 hijackers were Saudis FFS - Iran had nothing to do with it.

We're done.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
40. Another thing - it did not pass with massive majorities but the public outcry against it was massive
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

There were 21 Dems voted against it in the Senate.
In the case of WWII only 1 Senator voted against it.

Response to cosmicone (Reply #1)

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
16. SMH in disgust
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016
“I’m sitting there in the Oval Office, and Bush says to me, ‘What do you need?’ And I said, ‘I need $20 billion to rebuild, you know, New York,’ and he said, ‘You got it.’ And he was good to his word,” Clinton said in response to Matthews’ question on why Bernie Sanders was right on the Iraq War vote and Clinton was wrong.



Would you like to see the video?
http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-bribe-video/
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
17. So? She got $20 billion for rebuilding NY
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

Far less than the $1.3 TRILLION F-35 junk that Bernie voted for !!!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. bush could have gone to war without it. The IF NEEDED
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 09:13 PM
Apr 2016

resolution was supported by a lot of very good Democrats.

In any event, plenty of people disagree with Sanders' supporters BS on this.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/five-myths-about-hillary-iraq-war-vote_b_9177420.html

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
18. Sorry, let me correct you a bit:
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:00 PM
Apr 2016

Several Dems voted for that war, BUT

only One gave a nineteen minute speech

to justify it.

 

NYCButterfinger

(755 posts)
21. You do remember people said that the ones that voted against the IWR in 2002 were Anti American?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016

Some senators did not have a choice. It was a stupid war, foolish war. Move on.

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
35. OMG, they called them names?
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:13 PM
Apr 2016

Well, voting for the war is OK then. I'm sure the hundred thousand dead wouldn't mind if they knew that people would have been mean to those senators if they voted against the war.

On the other hand, they could have actually stood up for what is right for once instead of what is politically expedient.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
22. We knew it was corrupt when we marched against it
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

knew Patriot was prewritten, there were no bid contracts, stolen election, W being prewarned the summer before. If millions of people knew this war was pre arranged prior to 911 how could anyone claim ignorance to vote for it??

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
43. Hillary is cut from the Kissinger cloth, she doesn't give a flip about war dead...
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 11:31 PM
Apr 2016

As her mentor Kissinger said of soldiers "Their just dumb animals to enact foreign policy."

None of our lives matter to people like that.

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