2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton's mocking laughter on CNN further reinforced my dislike of her.
I've been thinking that in the unlikely event that she is the nominee perhaps it wouldn't bE as bad as I've led myself to believe. Then I watched her for a few minutes on CNN, throwing out her LOUD, mocking laughter at Bernie and his campaign. No way will I ever be able to like this person. How condescending, how full of entitlement.
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)reinforced my dislike of him.
As does the fact the FEC has found yet another problem with his filings to the the tune of about 10 million dollars
As does the fact he hasn't released his taxes
As does the fact he pledged to raise money for other Democratic candidates and has failed to do so even while he was given access to the DNC data base AND THEN STOLE DATA TO USE AGAINST CLINTON.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Push those taking points!
awake
(3,226 posts)"A notion is rapidly crystallizing among the national media that Bernie Sanders majorly bungled an interview with the editorial board of the New York Daily News. His rival, Hillary Clinton, has even sent a transcript of the interview to supporters as part of a fundraising push. A close look at that transcript, though, suggests the media may be getting worked up over nothing.
In fact, in several instances, its the Daily News editors who are bungling the facts in an interview designed to show that Sanders doesnt understand the fine points of policy. In questions about breaking up big banks, the powers of the Treasury Department and drone strikes, the editors were simply wrong on details."
Links
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511659333
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_us_5704779ce4b0a506064d8df5
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/6/juan_gonzalez_was_at_bernie_sanders
Check them out for the truth that is if the truth matters to you.
KPN
(15,650 posts)Still waiting for any facts on that one, let alone outcome.
It strikes me how conveniently you disregard the illegitimately legalized corruption that Hillary unabashedly participates in with Super PA funding. Oh, but it's legal!!! Just like the Wall Street derivatives market that caused the 2008 collapse!
Feigned outrage -- Pure hypocrisy!
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Desert805
(392 posts)so they could finish what they started with Hillary.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)So when both Konczal and Eavis consider Bernie Sanders' recent comments on breaking up the banks, we shouldn't be surprised that they arrived at similar conclusions. Konczal:
Bernie Sanders gave some fairly normal answers on financial reform to the New York Daily News editorial board. Someone sent it to me, and as I read it I thought yes, these are answers Id expect for how Sanders approaches financial reform.
Eavis:
Bernie Sanders probably knows more about breaking up banks than his critics give him credit for.
And we should not, for that matter, be surprised that they consider Sanders' comments fairly sensible. After all, Sanders, too, has focused on this field of policy for much of his national career, and he's advised by professionals who research this stuff for a living.
So how did so many critics in the media, in direct opposition to this scholarly consensus, conclude that Sanders' ideas about breaking up the bank were so radically off base? Some brief quotes and CVs from the pundits Konczal mentions:
In fact, as we see here, a major - major - problem in modern journalism is a widespread lack of expertise. It's not just that journalists are editorializing; they're editorializing on topics where they have no background or claim to knowledge whatsoever. Pundits who know little more than their readers, and often demonstrably less, are given massive corporate platforms to do this; their misinformation is relentlessly marketed and disseminated with massive promotional budgets, quite often under the imprimatur of prestige publication brands.
http://www.carlbeijer.com/2016/04/how-did-media-get-it-so-wrong-on.html
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)And the media, of course.
basselope
(2,565 posts)The filings they have problems with come from ACT BLUE.. not Bernie.
Taxes? Really?
And the last thing you said is simply false. He has been raising money for other democrats.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)HughLefty1
(231 posts)I mean her policies are bad enough. Then we see the Clinton Foundation and all of her corporate backers. On top of that her entitled, condescending personality just takes me over the edge.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)about breaking up big banks and then not being able to answer an editorial board's question on how he would actually do that?
I mean, that's a living example of hubris.
Pontificate, get people all angry to try and get their votes but have no actual knowledge of that topic?
HughLefty1
(231 posts)Frankly I don't see how he could release such a plan about the banks. They run this country. They along with big oil and the media are HRC's biggest donors.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)She mentioned protesting in her 20's... What was her cause?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)HELL I SAY!
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I won't hold my breath...
Mike__M
(1,052 posts)What would GD: P be without logical fallacy?
No fun. No fun at all.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)What was I thinking...?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)To suck up our economy and hoard the wealth.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Curious bc she mentioned it
frylock
(34,825 posts)doc03
(35,364 posts)have no clue of how he would fulfill them.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And acting perpetually peeved that it isn't being handed to you on a platter, express with free two day shipping?
Ya ask me, that's pretty friggin' condescending.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Faux pas
(14,690 posts)of phoniness.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)LOLZ
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)KPN
(15,650 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Hillary herself is making voting for her impossible unless one just has no principles except hurl as much mud as one can to win. Ugh.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)now that his ignorance regarding financial institutions has been exposed by the editorial board?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)she is enjoying. $150,000,000 from speeches. Nice work if you can get it.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bernie knows what he's talking about...and more important hecknows how to hire people who realllly knowcwhat they're talking about.
If I thought it would mske any difference I'd direct you to links about how pragmatic and effective he was as mayor in tackling the city problems and improving the city in very tangible ways.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)Because Bernie never laughs and is never loud or obnoxious with his hand waving and finger pointing.
Or something...
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)It's bizarre how she does that.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)of how his main policy proposal actually works.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Your posts are right on the mark.
TM99
(8,352 posts)lot of bullshit in this thread.
So pony up. Let's see the video of him turning red and walking out of interviews.
Come on....put up or shut up as the phrase goes.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Ask her for directions to Moscow. She's an expert on that.
TM99
(8,352 posts)hilarious moment in history!
frylock
(34,825 posts)Most people would have established a lower profile after that humiliation. Others seem bound and determined to parade their ignorance in front of everyone.
TM99
(8,352 posts)together.
She represents her candidate quite well.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)in the same conversation.
LOLZ!
frylock
(34,825 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)which she isn't...
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)I hate when she does it... The laughs usually sound so fake and it just rubs one the wrong way 110% like she thinks its a big joke.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)And sustained them for much longer than normal, like it was just so hilarious that she just couldn't stop laughing. It was as phony as it gets.
I think the questions were cleared in advance. It was basically the same line of questioning this morning from both Morning Joe and from Chris Cuomo (on Wolf Blitzer's show while Wolf was sidelined for the interview for some reason). Every question pointed Hillary at Bernie and gave her a free run at him.
I had CNN on for awhile after the interview with the sound muted and when they are talking about the Democrats they are doing the work of the Clinton campaign. It's all questions about the NY Daily News interview with sections highlighted on guns, breaking up the banks, etc. Nothing about Bernie winning Wisconsin to make it 6 of the last 7, Bernie killing Hillary in fundraising without holding fundraisers, exit poll results that show Hillary getting killed with voters under 40, etc.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)It's amazing that you all get away with this. The guy is rude, condescending and openly hostile. He waves his arms around like a self-important ego-maniac. Shouts and acts like an entitled creep. His voice gives me the heebie jeebies and makes my skin crawl. I wonder if I should post every little ick I have about him whenever he is on TV. Hmm. Should I.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Washington (CNN) The daughter of the Sandy Hook Elementary School principal who was killed at Newtown told CNN Bernie Sanders owes victims' relatives an "apology for putting the gun lobby above our families."
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)She has taught you well.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)in years, but you have to reach that far back to get your hate on. Really phony.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Must not have been in the talking points. If she wants to pretend she is on their side now, she needs to atone.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)That Bernie not be questioned about his gun stances??? That's it???
Holy Crap.
You can Google Sandy Hook and Bernie to find more. This has just been a really phony sidebar in a very pathetic thread.
frylock
(34,825 posts)You should be proud. No, really.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)about Clinton/victims when Bernie has his own problems with gun violence victims just recently.
But it makes sense that Bernie's image comes first in these little charades. Pathetic.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Are you in favor of car companies being sued if someone intentionally drives into a crowd? Is that Ford or GM's fault? If the gun manufacturers sold directly to the buyers and were responsible for background checks I might think otherwise but that isn't the case.
As for Hillary, she trashed sexual abuse victims for her own gain and never apologized. quite different from making a vote someone didn't agree with.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Wow, that really says it all. Anything goes as long as Bernie's image is not compromised. Good Lord!
And this is a really phony and desperate sidebar in a pathetic thread. But any ol' thing counts to get your hate on. Obviously.
frylock
(34,825 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Or perhaps you were talking about your preferred candidate.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)You must be having cf a lot of fun This seems very meaningful for you.
frylock
(34,825 posts)It's not in the least bit surprising that your disgusting candidate would stoop to such lows.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Laugh it up, son. These folks are just props for your shit candidate.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)because of what I dared to write about Bernie. That's how phony your "concern" is.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I feel he voted the right way. If he voted the other way I would feel he was wrong. You want an apology for his vote and that is fine. Still curious if you believe in the car scenario above or if this only applies to a vote you can use for political points, such as guns.
Meanwhile, it becomes apparent the only women Hillary supporters truly care about are those named Hillary Clinton.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)you make any sense, but you don't.
Foggy bottoms soon.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Seriously, you're just trying to get posts hidden. Very obvious...
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)And honestly, I don't care to waste my time alerting on people. I have alerted on one post ever and that was because it was blatantly anti-semitic. I typically like to let posts stand so people can truly evaluate the character of the poster.
R B Garr
(16,975 posts)Such a phony attempt, but no go for you today. Good luck next ty time!
beaglelover
(3,489 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Does the revowutionawy need someone to come kiss and make it all better?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Thank you for your attention, and I assume your counter-opinions. I appreciate that you took the time and made the effort to tune in to my humble post to offer your comments.
Your humble servant,
Impedimentus
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Lucinda
(31,170 posts)I surely wouldn't want to upset your delicate sensibilities.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)I had a post hidden because I voiced my opinion of this clip and inadvertently called Hillary Clinton a bad label. Ooops.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Certainly, when the wrapping was peeled back on Sanders weak response to interview questions, Clinton isn't alone in commenting and knocking him, so that complaint seems misplaced. Why should a woman appease her detractors by speaking in soft, soothing, dulcet tones so she's easier to ignore, dismiss and be talked over, but then be judged differently than a man when she is confident, bold and assertive... still... in 2016?
Impedimentus
(898 posts)I've spent my life supporting and fighting for gender equality in ways you probably can't imagine, and suffered the consequences for it. An attempt at a lecture from some online unknown only demonstrates that person's immaturity.
FEEL THE BERN - 2016
procon
(15,805 posts)Listen, don't post your CV, I'm not interested in another internet expert's claims of fancy. Still unanswered; why can't Clinton join all the other commentators in laughing, even loudly and condescendingly, at how Sanders flubbed that interview? What did you want from her? Did you expect no response and a free pass, maybe a word of sympathetic support for her opponent's unearned errors?
C'mon, this is politics 101, and Sander's regularly does the same thing with thousands of cheering fans laughing uproariously over some Clinton gaff, but maybe that weak sauce is OK for you, yeah?
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Impedimentus
(898 posts)Once you stopped playing the gender card I have no problem with you post - even though we disagree. Anyway, I'm getting old and senile and most of my laughter is directed at myself these days.
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iandhr
(6,852 posts)She has been caught in the act of being 100x smarter than everyone else while being a woman.
That is scary to a lot of low information working class men.
Sincerely
A proud, smug, arrogant, liberal, New York City, elitist male who isn't intimidated or threatened by smart women.
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Lucinda
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LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)FLOTUS too.
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)And the reason why it scares some people is the old LBJ quote.
"If you can convince the lowest white man that he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket."
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)A woman who laughs. LOUDLY.
Where are my smelling salts?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)laugh...remember the way she laughed about her book...no of course you do not remember her laughing at people dead.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)The word LOUD was even bolded.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Everything he says is a joke or overly dramatic.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)There's nothing I really like about her---personally or professionally. I wish she would just go away. lol
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)She's learned to treat it with large doses of money and political favors though.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)laruemtt
(3,992 posts)having such a naturally likable person as Obama as president (notwithstanding some of his decisions) to someone with such a turn-off of a personality.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)I laughed out loud too, when I saw Jeff Weaver on CNN last night.
They explained the math to him like he was a third grader, it was so funny. Jeff Weaver is a very delusional person.
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)If you haven't noticed by now, they think poor people like me are worse than dog shit.
jillan
(39,451 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Next.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)split and in-fight. REPUBLICANS WIN.
So be happy with ideological purity and feel proud when Trump/Cruz or Ryan take that walk into the white house.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)Well... okay... maybe later...
Carry on.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)And a terrible person. She would be a disastrous president.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)in his eagerness to interrupt his opponent just as annoying.
I also find annoying an opportunist who chose to join a party, that he disparaged for years, to be able to use its resources when he decided to run for president.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)"The Donald" would have loved it. Split the Democratic vote and the Supreme Asshat wins.
How do you folks type this stuff with a straight face?
Or are you fake cackling the whole time?
Beacool
(30,251 posts)Response to Beacool (Reply #109)
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treestar
(82,383 posts)It's not as if it would be any different had she not laughed.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)Beacool
(30,251 posts)Well, isn't that so progressive of you. Do you call all women that you don't like "cackling hens" or does that privilege only apply to Hillary?
This might as well be Free Republic, same kind of sexist crap.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)BainsBane
(53,066 posts)You didn't like her laugh. Now that' s a concern. Don't worry that your candidate can't even talk about how he would implement the changes he has campaigned on or that he said the consequences for jobs and lending aren't his problem, but Hillary laughed and you decided that was unacceptable. Now Bernie, that's a guy to have a beer with.