2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Is Under Fire Again on NY Daily News Front Page (Photo)
If you think today was a bad day for Bernie Sanders, wait until you see tomorrows New York Daily News front page.
Just hours after getting slammed for what many have called a disaster interview with the papers editorial board on Monday, Sanders is bracing for another hit, this time from the paper itself.
The Daily News, which has pushed the envelope in recents months with its bombastic and controversial covers, released an image of Wednesdays front page with the headline: Bernies Sandy Hook shame plastered in big white letters.
The subhead just as painful reads: Callously defends gunmakers against Newton kin lawsuit.
http://www.thewrap.com/bernie-sanders-is-under-fire-again-on-ny-daily-news-front-page-photo/
jillan
(39,451 posts)Using victims for political gain is about the sickest thing I have ever seen.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to msanthrope (Reply #17)
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)If he didn't want people to mention this, he shouldn't have said what he said.
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)tell newspapers what to print and when to print it. She who is so powerful that she can't be named for fear...
Now that's some serious conspiracy theorizing! One has to wonder why that All Powerful She didn't deliver the knockout punch long ago!
WhiteTara
(29,722 posts)except when She's not! I have trouble keeping up!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)any stabbing death where one their knives is used or liquor makers responsible for deaths from drunken drivers or maybe skilcraft responsible for an axe murder we could go on and on and on some more
I have sympathy for the Sandy Hook parent but this law suit will not go anywhere for the same reasons Caterpillar could not be held responsible for the death of Rachel Corrie
It is a suit of last resort- the gun purchaser is dead, the shop that sold the gun followed the law so what's left?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)process. It's that simple. Let judges and juries decide.
MADem
(135,425 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)oh BTW the check was done and passed in the case of Sandy Hook-hence the suit against the manufacturer no one else left to sue as I said I have sympathy for the parents that are bringing this suit but it is a suit of last resort
The state of CT has issued a ban of the sales of ar-15 since Sandy Hook which is their right
MADem
(135,425 posts)strawman, it's YOU, with that NRA, culled from the right "knives" analogy.
You brought the knives into the convo.
You can buy knives at the supermarket, CVS and Homegoods. You can't buy guns at those places.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That's from your link.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)their headline after San Bernardino
Following the 2015 San Bernardino attack, in which 14 people were shot dead, the December 3, 2015 front page displayed "GOD ISN'T FIXING THIS" along with tweets from Republican politicians offering thoughts and prayers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Daily_News
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)The Daily News is read by New Yorkers...... it's an extremely influential paper here.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They've often used catchy headlines to sell papers. No one minded until their ox was gored!
And that headline about God not fixing it? That was RIGHT ON POINT:
I Very Much support NYDN's POV re: gun control. Most Democrats agree with me.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and maybe Democrats in NYC but not so much in other places-many Democrats own guns
MADem
(135,425 posts)Samples:
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)suit them.
They don't think Sanders is smart enough to suit them.
mcar
(42,372 posts)You don't know much about the Daily News, do you? It's very popular, not only in NY but also in NJ, PA and CT.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Very poor judgment on his part, agreeing to interview with a "tabloid." Whatever you want to call that periodical, the questions were serious and he still couldn't answer them. Bernie is clearly a low information candidate.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)why not look at the analysis HuffPo did on his facts, and on how the questioners simply don't understand the whole situation.
Unless you want to remain ignorant of the truth.
GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)Gun manufacturers should not be held responsible if someone legally purchases their product and uses it for nefarious purposes...
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)
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MADem
(135,425 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)smh!
He's "under fire" because he says "stupid things."
Vattel
(9,289 posts)And then look at what Bernie actually said, and think hard some more.
Don't bother replying. Just think really hard.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sanders was calloused--and obtuse, and stupid, and wrong--in his views. And he should be fucking ASHAMED of himself--he keeps trying to walk a fine line with the gun nuts, on the one hand, trying like hell to not piss them off so they'll "nudge wink" and take the point that he's on their side, and on the other hand, trying to divide the baby in Ibrahimic fashion, playing like he gives a shit about people getting gunned down, when plainly, he doesn't.
There's only one "correct" viewpoint on this issue--and that is the viewpoint that Obama articulated after that shameful vote. Most of America--the sane people--agree with this, that we need MORE, not less, gun control.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I know a lot of republicans who like Bernie simply because of his policies on trade and the fact Hillary keeps beating him up on guns.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Or any other contest left in April, except Rhode Island.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)What a refreshing concept...allowing just DEMOCRATS to pick their own nominees!!!
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)We surely can't be trusted to choose who we want to represent OUR party!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Wouldn't that be relevant? Besides the money, I mean.
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)This hit job is shameful... almost on the civil rights smear campaign level.. speaking of which, haven't seen that hack on the news lately (forgot his name).. guess he cashed his check and went home - couldn't handle the heat I guess..
Octafish
(55,745 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)thanx for the article.. I hope his career is shot - although I'm sure his backscratch is coming (or already came)..
MADem
(135,425 posts)When the people at that shitty rag were told, they buried the correction in the article.
From your link:
Update at 4:41 p.m. ET: Jennifer Baker, director of public affairs for the NRAs Institute for Legislative Action, emails us to say that Jeff Forbes is no longer an NRA consultant.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Which is, you know, what is being implied.
Last night on MSNBC, for instance, after an hour of non-stop Trump-Cruz horserace coverage, Rachel Maddow got around to asking Jeff Weaver about Bernie's positions on gun control. Then it was time for a commercial.
MADem
(135,425 posts)says is that he'd rather defend gunmakers than embrace a course of action that MOST of America supports. That's your own guilty conscience telling you that he supports mass murder, you know.
He cares more about those big money gun-making interests than keeping guns out of the hands of crazed assholes who kill little kids and people out to watch a frigging movie. There are two sides here--the corporate gunmakers, or the families of the dead. I support the latter.
Sanders has plunked his ass down on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY re: this issue. We are a less civilized nation because of the way we manage gun distribution, and he helps perpetuate the travesty. He should be ashamed of himself. He is one of those guys who will have to be personally affected by tragedy before he is able to grab a clue. He lacks empathy, compassion and intellect when it comes to this matter.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Besides putting words in my mouth, you manage to prove my point.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You put those words in your OWN mouth, there! LOL!
Who dragged in all the "implied" nonsense? Look in the mirror.
The only point that is proven is that you dragged in a strawman, and now you're annoyed because I noticed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)From MADem:
Nowhere in that image does it say or imply "Bernie Sanders supports mass murder" -- what it
says is that he'd rather defend gunmakers than embrace a course of action that MOST of America supports. That's your own guilty conscience telling you that he supports mass murder, you know.
He cares more about those big money gun-making interests than keeping guns out of the hands of crazed assholes who kill little kids and people out to watch a frigging movie. There are two sides here--the corporate gunmakers, or the families of the dead. I support the latter.
Sanders has plunked his ass down on the WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY re: this issue. We are a less civilized nation because of the way we manage gun distribution, and he helps perpetuate the travesty. He should be ashamed of himself. He is one of those guys who will have to be personally affected by tragedy before he is able to grab a clue. He lacks empathy, compassion and intellect when it comes to this matter.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You brought "mass murder" into the conversation--not me.
If you thought it up, there must be something about "mass murder" and Bernie's stance that troubles you.
Are you saying that the purpose of the law wasn't to keep guns out of the hands of crazed assholes?
Not really sure what your point is, here.
I do detect an elevated degree of faux offense/outrage, though, of the "How dare you" variety.
One more time--Sanders is ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY on this issue, and it will be sooner, rather than later, that you too will reach this conclusion.
If you can "thankfully" champion Sanders' stance on this issue, you are out of step with the Democratic Party platform.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That's what I want to know.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)over the need for common sense regulations. Until someone came along like Hillary who took up the issue full force, those congress people with industries in their state had some cover on this issue. It's front page news now.
Alfresco
(1,698 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Evil I tells you!!1!
Sorry, tried to keep a straight face.
riversedge
(70,299 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)people ahead of profits, and that will never ever do. But you have a lovely day.