2016 Postmortem
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On tax returns, Sanders and wife report $200,000 in income mostly from his Senate post
By John Wagner
June 30, 2015
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), who rails against the billionaire class on the presidential campaign trail, reported relatively modest income last year: just more than $200,000 on a tax return filed jointly with his wife.
The vast majority of the couples income came from Sanderss $174,000 Senate salary and Social Security benefits that both he and his wife, Jane, a former college president, receive.
According to his tax forms, Sanders and his wife paid $27,653 in federal income tax and another $7,903 in Vermont income tax last year. The couple paid an effective tax rate of 19.6 percent on their federal taxable income of $140,994.
Sanders reported receiving $156,441 from his Senate job, after contributions to a savings plan and health insurance. The couple reported receiving another $46,213 in Social Security benefits, of which $39,281 was taxable.
Sanders also reported income of $4,982 from the pension he receives having been mayor of Burlington, Vt., in the 1980s. And his wife had another $4,900 in compensation for sitting on a commission devoted to the management of low-level radioactive waste disposal.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/30/on-tax-returns-sanders-and-wife-report-200000-in-income-mostly-from-his-senate-post/?tid=a_inl
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Probably more than the Koch Bros also.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)It would be interesting to know where that large deduction came from.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Wow, the honesty and integrity of this man. He has not USED HIS OFFICE to get rich.
This is the chance of a lifetime, to elect an honest man! The Clinton's are not even in the stratosphere with this record, of a life of work.
GO BERNIE!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RUNNING!
wendylaroux
(2,925 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)HC supporters are starting rumours because there's not even a hint of corruption when it comes to Bernie's finances.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)They do exist, and he is one.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)Any accountant will tell you this.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)There's no Schedule A available showing what deductions they utilized, which is a standard section of a full tax return.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Come now. Get serious!
enough
(13,263 posts)We are self-employed with our own business, so the rest of the return can be pretty complicated.
By the way, we have never been audited and never been questioned about the lack of Schedule A.
CalvinballPro
(1,019 posts)What a miracle that you, who have "never filed a Schedule A in 40-plus years" just happened to be on DU today, and just happened to see my post at that moment. So many things lining up just right for your manufactured excuse to be here, right now, to try to refute what is basic accounting practice.
You're selling bullshit and I'm not buying.
beedle
(1,235 posts)$1000 travel expenses (or some such other silly figure)... and call it a day.
enough
(13,263 posts)attention.
Truly if you think you are required to file a Schedule A you are simply mistaken.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)No real estate taxes?. No state taxes?
enough
(13,263 posts)One thing you are probably not taking into account is that we do not make a lot of money, never have. So we don't find a particular advantage in claiming deductions. Those deductions have no effect whatever on one's self employment tax.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Clintons have made more than $25 million for speaking since January 2014
By Matea Gold, Rosalind S. Helderman and Anne Gearan
May 15, 2015
Hillary Rodham Clinton and former president Bill Clinton earned in excess of $25 million for delivering 104 speeches since the beginning of 2014, a huge infusion to their net worth as she was readying for a presidential bid.
Hillary Clinton also earned more than $5 million in royalties for her book, Hard Choices, which was released in June.
During the 11 years Hillary Clinton served as a U.S. senator and then secretary of state, she reported that her husband made $105 million for delivering more than 540 speeches. Bill Clintons fees rose over time. In 2012, her last year at the State Department, he earned more than $16.3 million for 72 speeches.
Now that she is running for president, Hillary Clinton has stopped giving paid speeches. But Bill Clinton said this month that he intends to continue to collect speaking fees, even as his wife campaigns.
I gotta pay our bills, he told NBC News.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-earn-more-than-25-million-in-speaking-fees-since-january-2014/2015/05/15/52605fbe-fb4d-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html?tid=a_inl
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)Are they asking for Bernie's 2015 income tax return, which isn't even due yet? Are they expecting some explosive revelations? Hillary pockets more in an hour speaking to Goldman Sachs than Bernie and Jane earn in a year.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)LOL
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)They think anybody who has been in Congress for 25 years and isn't worth millions must have his priorities out of whack.
How about that whopping pension (less than $5000/year) for 8 years as the mayor of Burlington? I think we may have actually found somebody worthy of the label "career public servant".
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)That is where term ratfuckery comes from
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)onenote
(42,779 posts)I don't care who the candidate is or what party they belong to or what the gross amount of income reported or the gross amount of deductions reported -- if you're going to run for president you should disclose your entire tax return, including the required schedules that actually provide information about the specific sources of income and amounts of different categories of deductions (none of which can be ascertained from the first two pages of a return).
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)This is almost like going round and round with the birthers!
LOL
onenote
(42,779 posts)tax returns.
When most people here were pounding the table for Romney's full returns, were you calling them birthers?
I'm a Sanders supporter. I'm also someone who thinks one of Clinton's major failings is her general lack of transparency. But I won't become a hypocrite just to overlook the inexplicable failure of Sanders to meet a standard of disclosure I believe any and every candidate should meet.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)And what was the response to those requests?
I've read Bernie's response to the Washington Post request and they did not indicate any criticism of his response.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Am I right?
onenote
(42,779 posts)This could have been avoided if Sanders had released the rest of his 2014 return, which probably is no more than another 2 or 3 pages.
I have no idea why he hasn't but that's the problem -- it allows speculation as to what isn't being disclosed. For example, the speculation in the linked article that Sanders doesn't give to charity, something that is his right, but possibly not a big selling point with large swaths of the electorate. Is that true? I have no idea because Sanders hasn't released the pages of his return that give that information.
Again, I won't be a hypocrite and pretend that my candidate's failure to provide the level of transparency I think all candidates should adhere to with regard to their tax returns is okay simply because it's my candidate.
onenote
(42,779 posts)If you file Form 1040 without the required schedules you have not filed a complete tax return and could be subject to fines and penalties.
I'm sure Bernie filed a complete return. I'm just not certain why he has been reluctant to make it public since the devil of someone's tax return is in the details.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Guess you just can't satisfy people who think it's just wonderful that the Clintons have received tens of millions of dollars from their benefactors on Wall Street.
onenote
(42,779 posts)which put me in a distinct minority in my own state.
Second, when Mitt Romney or anyone else reports their gross income, it isn't enough -- there are various schedules and additional forms that break down the various sources of income. That is important information whether it is $1000 or $10 million dollars. Sanders 1040 shows minimal dividend and interest income, but it also shows $4900 is "business income" for which Schedule C is required. Again, I don't care who the candidate is -- the Schedules that compute and support the information on the first two pages of the form -- schedules that must be filed as a matter of law -- should be disclosed. Similarly, Sanders claimed over $56,000 in itemized deductions. There are various categories of itemized deductions -- charitable contributions, state and local taxes, medical, mortgage interest etc. Schedule B breaks down the amounts by category and must accompany the Form 1040 -- it is something I would want to see from any and every candidate.
I'm pissed at Clinton for her lack of transparency in various respects. I argued loudly that Romney should release his entire returns. I'm not going to make a hypocrite of myself because my candidate, for reasons that I cannot fathom, won't disclose the required schedules that accompanied his tax return.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)So relax. Don't worry.
If any scandals existed the highly paid Hillary campaign investigators and other sources friendly to her would have disclosed or leaked such information long ago.
They have nothing.
onenote
(42,779 posts)I don't think some line should be drawn that says candidates with more than X income or Y deductions should disclose their entire returns but candidates with sufficient income or deductions to require filing additional schedules should be exempt from disclosing those schedules if the amount is below some arbitrarily chosen amount.
If the law requires that the schedules be completed and filed, they should be disclosed. Period. Indeed, the burden of disclosing a full return is likely to be much greater on someone with large amounts of income and deductions/exemptions/credits than someone with a minimal amount and only a few additional schedules. So why not disclose them?
Transparency for one. Transparency for all.
Is that concept really so hard for you to understand?
TM99
(8,352 posts)why Sanders is being held to a higher standard than Clinton.
He will release the full fucking tax returns. Do y'all mind if he wins WI and NY first?!
So as far as transparency goes, many here seem to have been children then or simply forgot this tidbit of Clinton Machine history --
HRC began her notorious trading in the commodities futures market at the same time as the Whitewater purchase, made her $100,000 courtesy of Tysons Foods executives, and looked to Whitewater as a tax shelter for her gains, assuredly ill-gotten. In their federal income tax returns for the years 1978, 1979, and 1980, the Clintons deducted not merely interest payments on their Whitewater mortgages but also principal$20,000 was the illegal portion of the deductionthus helping offset her gain on the commodities scam. This was the reason the Clintons refused to release their tax returns for 1978 and 1979 during the presidential campaign and beyond, until 1994.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/the-clinton-files-is-hillary-a-crook/
onenote
(42,779 posts)So I can't and won't criticize her for that. And Bill Clinton released 12 years of returns in 1992, going back to 1980. While more is better, I'm not claiming that a candidate should release their returns going back forever and a day. But the last few years? Yes.
On the other hand, I will and do criticize H.Clinton for various other instances where she has not demonstrated transparency.
I am confused: do you think it was okay for Bill Clinton not to release (at least not until after the election) 13 and 14 year old returns? Do you think it would have been okay for him not to release ANY returns in 1992?
And what is so hard about releasing the couple of pages of his 2014 return? He released the partial return in June 2015?
I'm pretty sure Bernie is capable of winning NY and Wisconsin while having someone Xerox a couple of pages of the 2014 return that haven't been made public.
had to do so after the fuck up in the 1990's and the financial mistrust since.
Sanders has been in the Senate for over a decade. Every year, his financial disclosures are made public. If there was ANYTHING out of the ordinary, we would know it by now.
This is a drummed up controversy. Until this past weekend, no one was discussing tax returns. Like his health records months back, it was a non-issue made into one because Team Clinton saw an opening.
Yes, as a candidate for president, he needs to release his returns. During the 2008 primary, Obama released only his 1040's as well. Criticism led to him sharing more. Sanders will share them all just like he did his health status. They will also reveal nothing out of the ordinary, but the rat-fucking will be done. Is that really Sanders in that photo from University of Chicago? (Just before the first heavily AA southern state!). Do you really think that was an accident? A legitimate investigation? No, it was rat-fuckery plain and simple.
So thanks for every time you try to legitimize this fucked up rat-fucking by giving it standing. Pay attention to Sanders lack of transparency while Clinton hides her transcripts, the FBI investigation continues, and the Panama Papers are now released.
Can't you tell that you are being manipulated?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)"WITHOUT" all the schedules and forms showing where all her money came from, I am sure that the same people here who are defending Bernie on this would be scramming their heads off. Of course I could be wrong, but I don't think so!
glinda
(14,807 posts)foreign donations to the Foundation. I think the source was legit.
rickford66
(5,530 posts)No. Just billionaires who want to buy politicians.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I'm disappointed in a way but I still thinks he's way better than the alternatives. Nobody is perfect. I'm a teacher and my donations are 20x his. He grew up very poor and probably keeps his money just like my mom and dad. Me, I was spoiled and I give generously never having experienced poverty. So I understand.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)That's what 20 x $8400 would be.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I'll look again.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Contributions are shown under itemizations. The Vermont form shows $150 donations and who they are to. Line 30 shows $150 donations and $8,053 VT taxes.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)<On the disclosure form, which was filed May 29 with the Federal Election Commission, Sanders also noted having received $1,017.42 in 2014 from the publisher of a book that includes the text of a nearly nine-hour filibuster he conducted in 2010. The book is titled The Speech: A Historic Filibuster on Corporate Greed and the Decline of Our Middle Class. Sanders also reported receiving an $850 honorarium for having appeared on HBOs Real Time with Bill Maher.
The money from the book and the television appearance were both donated to charity, Briggs said. Sanders donated another $8,350 to charity last year, Briggs said.
On his Vermont tax return, Sanders made a total of $150 in voluntary contributions to support four causes: at-risk children; endangered wildlife; military veterans; and the environment.>
Actually, the charitable total was $1017 plus $850 plus $8350 plus $150, or over $10,000 in charitable contributions.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Also, $150 to Vermont charities isn't much. I stand by that. If this were Clinton - who I will never vote for - I doubt you'd accept book royalties and one Maher appearance as being really charitable. I don't.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)And I am done with you.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)massive payday?
senz
(11,945 posts)but they'll be quibbling and griping, for sure.
Tiresome.
riversedge
(70,346 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)You sound like a birther.
riversedge
(70,346 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)riversedge
(70,346 posts)Gomez163
(2,039 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)I mean I want to see it all as well but I'm not confusing place value.