2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI once had an offshore bank account.
Neither Bill nor Hillary Clinton were involved with my international banking.
I used it to make payments, in Euros, to some of the small companies from whom I bought mineral specimens. It was easier to make the transfers to those businesses through the bank in Luxembourg than it was from my bank here. My little US bank, which was a local company, simply did not understand the process well enough to handle it, and I didn't want to use one of the mega banks.
So, I opened an account overseas. I managed to talk my little bank in my little town in California through the process of transferring money from my account to that Luxembourg account. Once they understood that, they could do it easily. Then I used online banking services at the overseas bank to arrange transfers to the bank accounts of my suppliers. The fees were much smaller and the service was much more reliable.
When I stopped selling mineral specimens as a business, I closed the account in Luxembourg, since I no longer had any use for it. While I had the account, it never had more than a token amount on deposit. I transferred funds for each transaction there and then to my supplier, as needed. Each transfer involved fees, which were built into the transactions.
So, I was a user of international banking, on a micro scale. What was interesting to me was how simple it was to do international transactions directly into the accounts of those suppliers. Trying to do it here was almost impossible and had enormous fees that made it completely uneconomical. We are very backward in handling international transactions here.
On another note - my little local bank once called me on the phone. There was a person in the bank trying to change Euros into Dollars. Problem was, the person spoke only French. The bank manager knew that I was semi-fluent in French, so he called me and I walked over from my office to the bank and did translation to help. The French tourists got their dollars and were grateful enough for my help that they bought my wife and I dinner at a local restaurant I recommended. Very lovely people they were, too.
Heaven help tourists in small towns who don't speak English well. Or, call somebody in town who speaks the language, I guess.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)off shore accounts...If I didn't know better, I'd think y'all might be trying to prepare for something.
Offshore Bank Accounts: Not Just For Putin, Anymore!!
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)It's all very complicated, except it isn't. People do it all the time. US Banks are lousy at international stuff...at least the branches are.
I think the largest amount I ever sent to a European supplier was less than $1000. Small change, but the Luxembourg bank treated my like I was a valued customer every time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I try to post things from my own experience that relate to the news.
azmom
(5,208 posts)Good to know. Good to know.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Enzo,
Can you send me another dozen of those sulfur crystals from Etna? They sold well. Let me know the total and I'll deposit in your bank. Let me know if anything else interesting comes through your door.
Thanks,
MineralMan
That was the extent of it. BTW, Enzo did fine in English. I know zero Italian.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)At all the offshore - banking Hillary supporters coming out of the closet today. What IS in those Panama Papers I wonder?
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I had many customers around the world, too. I will say this: The USPS did a great job of getting orders to customers everywhere on the planet. Of all the orders I sent internationally, only one went missing. I reshipped and the second try made it there just fine.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)GeorgiaPeanuts
(2,353 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I dunno. What do you think?
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Or to launder money.
Am I right?
If I am, you had the account for perfectly legal and useful services.
So your point is you didn't have that tiny account set-up to evade income taxes or to launder money.
That's your point, right?
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Many people have accounts in international banks for business purposes. Simply having such an account does not indicate any illegal activity at all. Anyone who does business outside of the US needs an account in a bank that is used to handling international wire transfers, because that's how money changes hands for almost all transactions.
I had to learn how to do that for myself or I wouldn't have been able to operate at all. The amounts were laughably small, though.
SDJay
(1,089 posts)I've had bank accounts in Canada (my wife is Canadian) and in Europe for somewhat similar reasons as you - it's easier to transfer money around and as you rightly said US banks are burdensome to work with in this regard. On top of everything else, they gouge you for all sorts of 'fees' along the way. USA! USA!
That said, my level of international banking compared to the international banking that was going on with this situation couldn't be more different. It's analogous to my current bank account in the US and general banking work as compared to that of Warren Buffet or some big-time Manhattan banker. We're not talking about the same things.
I have no idea what's going to come out of this Panama thing. Few people right now do. Simply moving money around in different countries is not a big deal. Doing so for the sole purpose of hiding tax money is.
My gut, like that of many others, says that heads are definitely going to roll over this. We'll see who's involved soon enough.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Lots of people cannot imagine why anyone would have a bank account in another country. My needs were small. Others move far more money, but for similar reasons. We are so provincial here. What we can't comprehend, we fear or assign blame to.
I had very small business, but it had both international customers and suppliers. I needed a banking resource in Europe to make that work, because my local bank could not even change Euros into dollars. We are a backwards nation, overall.
My little business never grossed over $25k a year, but it was international in scope. It was fun, but only part of what I was doing.
My post was designed to show that there are many reasons to have an off-shore bank account. You are incorrect.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)a point about its other more relevant to current events meaning. That is called argument by equivocation and is a dishonest rhetorical dodge, a fallacy.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)One that said "Ninety-five percent of our work coincidentally consists of selling vehicles to avoid taxes"? Because it seems like you're missing the whole point otherwise.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Luxembourg bank to open an account for the purpose transferring funds to my vendors. About ten days later, I got a packet of documents with the account information and a URL to access the account. When I went to the URL, it asked which of about twenty languages I preferred. From there, all I needed was the account information for the vendors I used. Instructions for transferring funds from my US bank to the account were also provided, along with a fee schedule for transfer services.
Everything after that was done online. I never even spoke with anyone in person. My payments to vendors were all completed within hours, and deposited directly into their accounts, with any currencies conversions done at that day's exchange rates.
Very efficient and professional. On tho other hand, to transfer money from my account there required a visit to my bank branch and took two business days. The difference was striking. I could not do those transactions online at all. I don't know what it's like now.