2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton: 'Absolutely' You Can Be Both Feminist And Pro-Life
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When asked about her thoughts on abortion Tuesday morning, Hillary Clinton may have surprised some by taking the stance that being "pro-life" and a feminist are not mutually exclusive.
During an appearance on ABC's "The View," co-host Candace Cameron-Bure asked Clinton if she thinks it's possible to be a feminist while identifying as "pro-life."
"Yes I do, absolutely," Clinton said.
"They're not mutually exclusive?" Cameron-Bure asked.
"No, absolutely," she said. "Look, I've been, and I'm sure that Whoopi and Joy have been, we've been in these conversations now for, what, 40-plus years, right? And I respect the opinions and beliefs of every woman."
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VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)Is this not the very point of being pro-choice, being a feminist?
Seriously, did the rules change when I was asleep? It wouldn't surprise me at this point anymore!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Cool and totally respect that.
But once you start telling other women what they can and can't do with their bodies, you can't lay claim to being a feminist.
Added point:
There is also a very important distinction to be made here: I respect people's right to HAVE an opinion, I do NOT have to respect that opinion.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)it's positions like that that are her main strength as a politician.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)yourout
(7,534 posts)Every day I think she can't possibly make me more irritated but she keeps raising the bar.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)She is probably trolling for GOP votes, but then again, I don't believe a damned word she says about anything.
riversedge
(70,335 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)How the hell does that work? Walk me through the pretzel.
riversedge
(70,335 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)DebbieCDC
(2,543 posts)yourout
(7,534 posts)VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that one sees at places like Salon.com
Also, her plan is to win over Republican women against Trump.
Failing to opine on feminist credentials is not the same as compromising on choice.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)winter is coming
(11,785 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)Pro-life is code for a whole lot of other bullshit.
Jerry442
(1,265 posts)...after all, who is anti-life? Once you add the capital letters and the historical context of the people who use that label for themselves, then no, you can't. A person with a bad case of historical amnesia might say it's OK to call Bernie a national socialist. No, it's not.
beedle
(1,235 posts)I suppose you could be living in Europe somewhere, where anti-abortion and the death penalty is not even considered in polite conversation, and to you it might mean that you are against killing cattle for food, but in the USA, there is little doubt what 'pro-life' means ... it means you want to outlaw abortions.
Did she explain further, because I can't believe Hillary is that unfamiliar with a term so close to her heart ... and I can believe a lot of shit that Hillary might say, but this seems beyond the pale.
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pro-life (prō-līf? )
adj.
Advocating the legal protection of human embryos and fetuses, especially by favoring the outlawing of abortion on the ground that it is the taking of a human life.
pro-lif?er n.
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pro-life
adj
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (of an organization, pressure group, etc) supporting the right to life of the unborn; against abortion, experiments on embryos, etc
ˌpro-ˈlifer n
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pro-life?
adj.
opposed to legalized abortion; right-to-life. Compare pro-choice.
[196065]
pro-lif?er, n.
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Adj. 1. pro-life - advocating full legal protection of embryos and fetuses (especially opposing the legalization of induced abortions)
pro-choice - advocating a woman's right to control her own body (especially her right to an induced abortion)
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pro-life [ˌprəʊˈlaɪf] ADJ ? pro-vida
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pro-life adj pro-vida, en contra de la legalización del aborto voluntario
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Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)That is how the argument needs to be framed. All other is bullshit.
longship
(40,416 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)That's a little broad. In the context of abortion, there are women that support murdering doctors and bombing clinics. I'll just assume that she wasn't talking about respecting their opinions and beliefs. I'll go on record as saying I don't.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)They simply are women who agree with both equal rights for women, and with the idea that a fetus is more than tissue. They tend to emphasize that women, as agents of their own fate, should take responsibility for their bodies before conception.
I'm not going to argue the merits of their position. I'm simply stating the fact they do exist. I know a few, as a matter of fact. So Hillary is right - it is possible. Perhaps not the norm, but possible.
athena
(4,187 posts)If a woman is pro-life and does not want to have an abortion herself, that is her choice. Such a woman can indeed be a feminist.
If a woman is "pro-life" and believes that a pregnant woman should be forced to give birth against her will, one can still respect that opinion without agreeing with it. Such a woman can also self-identify as a feminist. One could argue about whether she really is a feminist.
What do Bernie supporters suggest? That we disrespect other people's opinions and beliefs? A politician's job is to find common ground as a way to move forward. Respecting the other person's position is the first step in negotiation. Has no one here read "Getting to Yes"?
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)I never said Hillary should give an inch on abortion. You're twisting my words in an effort to make them sound like something sinister. Negotiating does not mean giving up your position. If done intelligently and adroitly, it can mean bringing the other person to your own position. However, the first step in that is to show that you see where the other person is coming from. In other words, the first step is to "listen", which can only be done with respect.
I should perhaps not be surprised that no one here has read "Getting to Yes."
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)else?