I’m done with Bernie Sanders: Why this democratic socialist is voting for Hillary Clinton

[SidDithers]

Bernie's not a more progressive choice, just a different one. The more I compare the two, the less I feel the Bern

I’ve been a personal fan of Senator Bernie Sanders since my political awakening in college. I was raised in an evangelical Republican household and fed a diet of capitalist ideology for as long as I could remember. I began shifting toward the Democratic Party in my early teens but still got nervous when I heard the word “socialism.” It wasn’t a reasoned response, just a knee-jerk reaction. In truth, I was scared that I might be a socialist. If anyone found out, I’d never be taken seriously again.

A few years later, I was living in a Northeastern University campus apartment in Boston. I had cable for the first time in my life. I was watching a late-night talk show. This brash, quirky senator with a thick Brooklyn accent explained that, not only was he an elected official with no party affiliation, he’s a democratic socialist!

I listened to him outline the most basic explanation of democratic socialism and realized I couldn’t run from it any longer. I was clearly a democratic socialist and always had been. My allegiance isn’t to an unrestrained free market, but a deeply-held position that everyone is entitled to a roof over their heads, food to eat, a solid education and good medical care as a moral right. If we cannot be guaranteed basic dignity under the law, what’s the point of the whole enterprise?

Sen. Sanders agreed with me, and he wasn’t afraid to say so loudly I wanted him to be president and feared America would never accept a guy like him. Fast-forward to 2016, and I found myself dead wrong. The American public revolted against the establishment wings of both parties. The United States was now captivated by this plucky socialist, almost as captivated as they’d become with an orange-haired demagogue who had a bizarre fixation on Mexican rapists.

It was Bernie’s time to shine. But I wasn’t feeling the Bern anymore.

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/04/im_done_with_bernie_sanders_why_this_democratic_socialist_is_voting_for_hillary_clinton/


Sid

[Gothmog]

1. Great article in OP

[QC]

2. Sid, are you voting for Hillary? n/t

[MineralMan]

4. Sid is a Canadian citizen, so no, he won't be voting for Hillary.

This OP is quoting someone who can vote here. It's not Sid's words. Sid is a DUer, so he's free to post here. He makes no secret about being Canadian. So, I'm not sure what your point is in asking the question.

I know that you're aware of his Canadian citizenship. Most DUers are aware of that. How does that have anything to do with the article referenced in the OP?

[QC]

9. Your wagging finger is in particularly fine form today, MM.

Good job!

[MineralMan]

11. Thanks. I try to be ready to defend other DUers

from snide personal attacks couched in the form of questions.

[aikoaiko]

19. "snide personal attacks couched in the form of questions"

Yes, maestro.

[Sheepshank]

42. oooh, running to the defense of someone who made a public mistake

your support is very noble....while your attempt at being snide and rude is a fucking failure.

[bahrbearian]

18. Don't disrespect the Great Ol Finger Wagger...

[Ken Burch]

6. He can't. He's Canadian.

Sid just hates the left. Always has, always will.

[bahrbearian]

20. Kinda like Hillary and Rahmn , true democrats.

[LexVegas]

3. Recommend. nt

[DemocracyDirect]

5. I don't believe it.

He sounds like a Hillary surrogate.

Talking point alert.

He doesn't sound anything like a former Bernie fan.

[Ken Burch]

7. The whole article is nothing but HRC campaign talking points. n/t.

[PotatoChip]

15. Read the comments. Some of them are a hoot!

But here is one of many that is relevant to your point.

Sabrekitty 25 minutes ago
The title is misleading, a review of the author's twitter reveals that he has been a Hillary supporter since the start of her campaign.

[Autumn]

35. Of course it's a Hillary surrogate pretemnding to be a Bernie supporter,

we call them Bernie Butters for the I like Bernie but bit they like to play There are a lot here but they always out themselves

[DemocracyDirect]

40. I was a Hillary supporter before.

But I would never post such a disingenuous post such as this.

That article really is in poor taste.

It's fine to have differences and debates, but to be completely dishonest in your position is bordering on evil. Honor is important among my friends and I.

I hope Hillary Clinton supporters would be better than this. I realize this person is probably paid to act like this.

[bigtree]

8. k&r

[Octafish]

10. Got the Bernie Hate running on all cylinders today.

What an interesting hobby.

[Autumn]

37. They got in a panic when they saw how soft Hillary's support is.

Nevada was what sent them spinning on all cylinders since them it's been non stop. Poor dears must be so exhausted since they are having to import help.

[Octafish]

48. If things go today like they fear in Wisconsin...

...someone will have to face more music than Jebthro with the Under-fays.

[Sheepshank]

44. reading through this thread, you can see who's supporters are actually running on all cylinders nt

[Octafish]

50. Good point. Normally, I want Hillary's side represented.

It's just that some people work (or volunteer) so hard to misrepresent Bernie's side.

[Betty Karlson]

12. Every time Clinton is behind in the polls, some "Berned-Out" convert posts his come-to-Jesus moment

always the same talking points, usually compounded with a fresh dose of Trump-scare.

I stopped believing the sincerity of such articles long ago.

[nc4bo]

25. Ha-ha, I've noticed that too. Not very convincing is it. nt

[Armstead]

27. It's amazing how similar they always are

And how close to the Clinton campaign's talking points

[rachacha]

13. Fast forward to 2016? Check his Twitter history from 2015. Chillin' with Chelsea.

I don't see any evidence this guy was ever anything less than 100% Hillary.

[Autumn]

38. Oops someone got outed. It was the Bernie Butter

[Autumn]

45. Can you give me a link to his twitter post please?

[rachacha]

65. Here is he Chillin' with Chelsea in 2015

https://twitter.com/ChrisSosa/status/609800025971912705

[DesertRat]

63. Bernie fans are sending the author threats & hate mail

@ChrisSosa- I supported #HillaryClinton in her first race. Not a secret at all. #BernieSanders fans, please stop the vulgar threat/hate mail. Thanks!

[rachacha]

66. People are probably annoyed by his lack of journalistic integrity

but that's no excuse for sending online threats. I hope he is reporting them to the right place:

https://support.twitter.com/forms/abusiveuser

[Schema Thing]

69. because he's a lying shitbag?

[frylock]

72. I'm sure he's not lying about that either.

[Scuba]

14. Well, in that case ...

[aikoaiko]

16. "Sanders is not a purer progressive choice, merely a different one." LOL.

On race:

Bernie was on point with Black Live Matter before the NN disruption.

On capitalism:

From the author: "For every Charles Koch, there’s a Bill Gates."

First thing, Bill Gates is better than Koch, but not the inverse. He has some problems with his education.

But even if Bill Gates was actually spending all his money on truly liberal causes, there is no way an honest person can say that for every bad guy with billions there is an equivalent good guy with billions. If there were, we'd be in much better shape.

On truth

Politifact says they are about even on truthfulness, but I've had problems with Politifact for a long time because the Annenberg Foundation controls it and they have an establishment agenda.


Basically, this author is full of shite, but I'm sure the HRC fans will lap it up.

[redstateblues]

32. Bill Gates belongs to a club of 143 billionaires that have pledged to give away 1/2

of their wealth. The idea that all wealthy people are evil as fostered by Bernie is demagoguery

[aikoaiko]

36. Bernie never said all wealthy people are evil.

And the Koch's are giving away wealth to ALEX, but that doesn't make them saints.

[oasis]

17. Good reading.

[Armstead]

29. I prefer original thinking

Even I can find things to criticize Bernie about.....But these "converts" sounds very off base and cookie cutter.

[Autumn]

39. Check out post #13 and post #33. Dude likes to chill with Chelsea

[Orsino]

21. "Progressive" can't be meaningfully redefined to include all of Clinton's record.

Sanders, on the other hand, mostly embodies it.

EditorFail at Salon. Again.

[B Calm]

22. LOL, would have made a funny Onion

article.

[G_j]

23. for real?

This doesn't have an authentic ring to it, imho..

[bahrbearian]

24. "Enjoy your stay"

[disillusioned73]

26. Wow...

maybe I need to re-assess my priorities (or lower my expectations??).........




nahh...

[redstateblues]

28. Excellent article

[Dem2]

30. That article is surprisingly well written

I saw Salon and was immediately skeptical, but this is a must read for supporters of either candidate.

[Autumn]

43. Well written for a fantasy. The hacks past history is exposed in posts #13 and post #33

I call him a hack because he is a liar, he has been a Hillary supporter since way back in 08. I think it's hilarious when people forget that what they write on the internet is there and can be seen.

[Dem2]

51. I see your bias is coloring your view

That's OK, I read it in context for what it is, an article with a perspective different than my own that I found interesting.

You are not required to like it (since you pooh-poohed it, I'm assuming you didn't read it.)

[Autumn]

55. Yeah I am biased. I am biased toward the truth, that Hillary supporter got outed as a liar

and posting a nasty smear piece in the process. Yeah I read it, then found out he's a liar. He has been a Hillary supporter all along. Back when she lost in her first run for president he supported her then . I'm not surprised at all the you defend his lies. I repeat he's a liar and stupid thinking his history was invisible.

[Dem2]

56. Laugh in that nervous way

It's cool, I won't judge you for having doubts about the person's perspective.

I found it interesting. I would encourage you to post the lies though, we can discuss them if you like.

[Autumn]

59. Not nervous at all. My perspective is that he is a liar.

YMMV which I'm sure it does. I'm done with discussing anything with you. I have an aversion to people who decide that lies are to be applauded.

[Dem2]

61. So only binary thinking is allowed? I like both candidates. The author likes both candidates

I will admit that I will never be convinced to think EITHER/OR, and that's why you're bailing out of this conversation.

Surely you can see that this is an indictment of your limited ability to think outside limited "Bernie only" perspective. I'd call out the "Hillary only" perspective too, but 100% of Hillary supporters here have said they'd support Bernie if he's nominated, this is hardly true when looked at the other way.

[One of the 99]

31. I'm still voting for Bernie in 2 weeks.

Interesting article but rather cynical and a bit unfair.

[Uponthegears]

33. Boy, you sure opened my eyes

A "Bernie supporter" who learned how to spot the "real progressive."

He sees right through . . .

Chris Sosa?@ChrisSosa

Thank you, @HillaryClinton, for talking about fixing issues of racial inequality while @BarackObama is off decrying "thugs." #Baltimore

7:51 AM - 29 Apr 2015

Oh, never mind . . . guess he wasn't a Bernie supporter after all, or even an Obama supporter . . . just another white guy who thinks Hillary's "I'm 'with you' right up to the line where white folks turn against you" perspective on racial justice is better than even President Obama's.

[Autumn]

47. Can you please give me a link to that? I don't have a twitter account but I think I may have to

start.

[Uponthegears]

52. I just went to the link in the OP

clicked on his name, clicked on his twitter feed, and scrolled.

Here's the link to the feed:

https://twitter.com/ChrisSosa

[Autumn]

57. Thank you. I didn't know if one had to be a follower to see.

Darn, I missed a lot of tweets not looking I think I'll post yours and what other links I can find. Thanks again.

[mcar]

34. K&R

[NWCorona]

41. All I can say is

Good luck with team Hillary

[DisgustipatedinCA]

46. Tool alert.

I repeat, tool alert.

[uponit7771]

49. Exactly!!! Sanders bag of bad just as heavy as Clinton's!!!

[ThePhilosopher04]

53. More Hillary propaganda. She gets more desperate

by the hour.

[PufPuf23]

54. You realize that Hillary Clinton is a neo-liberal and a neo-conservative and

the Machiavellian enemy of democratic socialists?

I think you are smart and not clueless SidDithers.

Why bombard DU with your mockery and dis-info when you state you are a Canadian?

[beedle]

58. Yeah, not buying your sudden come to Jesus moment Mr. Sosa

Combine that with the part on "Truth" where he falls in line with the biased 'fact checkers' who like the media make false comparisons ... treating things that Sanders may have misspoke on minor issues as though they were equal to bald faced lies on important issues by Clinton. Jesus, even over the last two days these "fact checkers", gave Bernie 3 Pinocchios for telling the truth about Hillary on Oil money, then gave Bernie 4 Pinocchios for saying his summary tax form was made already out there (which it is, but they took the one part of the conversation out of context, ignored that Bernie explained why the full tax reforms were not already available, and used his words on the summary form as though he were talking about the full forms.)

[Kip Humphrey]

60. This guy is a liar and a fake.

try again.

[DesertRat]

62. This is a thoughtful, well written article.

Thanks for posting.

[whatchamacallit]

64. Haha more convert horseshit...

fap fap fap

[Autumn]

67. Our sid would be calling this person a ratfucker if he were claiming to be a Hillary supporter

and all his twitter feed showed that he supports Bernie. This guy supported Hillary over Obama on 08!

[Logical]

68. Classy as usual sid! Nt

[SMC22307]

70. Chris Sosa is a "writer" who volunteered for Hillary in '07 - '08...

according to his LinkedIn. (I find it interesting that he has only 4 recommendations, but over 500 connections.)

He's paid to say this stuff. Why do people fall for it?

[frylock]

71. Dear Penthouse Forum...

[Lucinda]

73. Thankie Sid.