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On Chris Hayes, James Carville is "vexed" as to why people support (Original Post) muntrv Apr 2016 OP
Poor brother Jimmy, . . . . no wonder we don't hear much from him these last years. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #1
According to him kcjohn1 Apr 2016 #2
It's the economy stupid hollowdweller Apr 2016 #89
That is status quo incarnate, right there... Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #99
It's like Will Rogers's version of Calvin Coolidge's State of the Union speech Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #105
Old school douchebag with the republican wife says what? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #3
They're both drunks who cares? elehhhhna Apr 2016 #4
That elevates the conversation SCantiGOP Apr 2016 #18
James and wife are bombed ALLATIME. elehhhhna Apr 2016 #50
I always wondered how they could stand each other! dchill Apr 2016 #54
Old School DLC BLue Dog RW Third Way Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #43
In other words, the Clintons and their brain trust..n/t tokenlib Apr 2016 #49
+ "with the Republican wife." dchill Apr 2016 #67
Well, Bernie isn't a Democrat. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #5
thanks for the perspective from Canada! ibegurpard Apr 2016 #8
I LOVE my healthcare! NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #12
.....so you don't bother to vote for health care for us....you have it covered. virtualobserver Apr 2016 #20
Huh? n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #46
Spot on! n/t Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #48
You'd rather he run a third party campaign? Armstead Apr 2016 #9
As things have turned out ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #44
I think he would not have gotten as much, but would have caught on Armstead Apr 2016 #47
Do you think Ross Perot got enough media coverage? dchill Apr 2016 #69
Not the point. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #71
I'm sure it's part of it. dchill Apr 2016 #72
Yes, but this is what a large percentage of Dems want. Lunabell Apr 2016 #11
Hillary is not a democrat. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #17
amen to that oldandhappy Apr 2016 #56
Leave it to you not to understand being a Democrat is more than a check mark on an index card. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #64
It has nothing to do with ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #70
Why do Hillary supporters hate our representative democracy RANGERMAN89 Apr 2016 #116
"I recognize a self-serving opportunist when I see one" AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #129
right ibegurpard Apr 2016 #137
You live in Canada so can't vote anyway? Lol, that explains a lot. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #83
I live in Canada ... NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #84
Lol, still,me explains a lot. Nt Logical Apr 2016 #85
I'm sure. n/t NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #86
Do you get Canadian healthcare? Kentonio Apr 2016 #94
Of course. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #101
Yet you don't think that's achievable in the US? Kentonio Apr 2016 #107
Not only that ibegurpard Apr 2016 #138
What media coverage? They have essentially blacked him out. emsimon33 Apr 2016 #104
His words, not mine. NanceGreggs Apr 2016 #135
I know. You actually hate him. I read your comment to that effect in the Hillary Clinton Group Bonobo Apr 2016 #109
Well of course, he is *literally* paid to say that n/t arcane1 Apr 2016 #6
I'm vexed as to why anybody still listens to James Carville or his right-wing wife Bjorn Against Apr 2016 #7
^^^This^^^ dflprincess Apr 2016 #51
James "I got mine, you pions can wait' Carville beedle Apr 2016 #10
I agree with vandenHeuvel... SMC22307 Apr 2016 #13
The disconnect between "We've been in charge since 1992" and "half of the party is revolting" is WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #14
11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats lost MisterP Apr 2016 #25
Yes. They didn't vote. nt Jitter65 Apr 2016 #32
They haven't been voting for a while. Something is obviously broken but blaming "them" only helps WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #41
Count DeMonet: The peasants are revolting! King: You said it, they stink on ice!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #36
"half of the party is revolting" ... dchill Apr 2016 #57
Tell James to put his hat back on.... Segami Apr 2016 #15
Wow, what a collection of assholes! BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #33
And here it is! longship Apr 2016 #82
Meh. he's just trolling....Wants to start a fight with Sanders and supporters Armstead Apr 2016 #16
That hee haw mthr fkr, wendylaroux Apr 2016 #19
Well said! BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #29
both of them are hard to take,much less look at. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #31
Hey Did You Hear noretreatnosurrender Apr 2016 #21
+1,000,000 ... nt Trajan Apr 2016 #73
Just another irrelevant bloviating pundit. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #22
Sonny Jim, your and my definition of Democrat Unwanted Democrat Apr 2016 #23
I'm glad it upsets him. nt killbotfactory Apr 2016 #24
Oh poor sad has-been James Carville. Don't be vexed. You don't need to understand. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #26
Chris Hayes is also vexed at why people support Bernie, even after he tries to talk them out of it. BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #27
And a blatant example of how out of touch they are. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #28
Bernie is like a Democrat Plus. Funtatlaguy Apr 2016 #30
This is the problem with the Washington party establishment. potone Apr 2016 #34
good post snowy owl Apr 2016 #39
+1, It kills me that they keep expressing this sentiment, in the middle of a campaign Marr Apr 2016 #78
He should be vexed . . . Depaysement Apr 2016 #35
Hayes got Clinton-loving Carville on-why am I not surprised.Hillary-have you claimed free media yet? snowy owl Apr 2016 #37
Bless his heart, James Carville is a real piece of work. PatrickforO Apr 2016 #38
Labels are really, really, important when selecting a candidate to vote for. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #40
Carville made a lot of sense about Bernie. He lumped Bernie in with the RW'ers who R B Garr Apr 2016 #42
Carville channeld by Hader. Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #45
Hader nailed it. Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #97
King of the snakes! Indeed! Juicy_Bellows Apr 2016 #100
Better hang it up, old man. Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #52
No James dflprincess Apr 2016 #53
the trash can on his head apparently isn't big enough to cover his mouth - duct tape would help Agony Apr 2016 #55
Bernie is not a Democrat. dchill Apr 2016 #58
Or Joe Lieberman, for that matter Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #61
Indeed. dchill Apr 2016 #65
he doesn't have Sheldon Adelson on his speed dial Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #114
Carville is right, the DNC needs a Democrat as the nominee. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #59
I thought he was right, as well. He made total sense R B Garr Apr 2016 #60
Good point. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #63
I was actually relieved and impressed to hear him R B Garr Apr 2016 #68
So you demanded that Sanders not caucus with us last time we had an otherwise tied senate, huh? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #112
So why did the DNC allow him to run as a Democrat in this race? TM99 Apr 2016 #76
The better question would be why did Sanders seen to run in the DNC Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #81
See, that really isn't answering the questions TM99 Apr 2016 #92
I am just reacting to Sanders actions, BTW, you probably already know Sanders ran on the DNC ticket Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #93
Y'all just can never answer questions asked TM99 Apr 2016 #96
gives a whole new meaning to Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #113
Ah, now you know how I feel about Sanders, or when he starts making Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #122
See, there you go yet again. TM99 Apr 2016 #124
Good, I like posting truths, facts are good. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #125
Thoughts in a bubble of your TM99 Apr 2016 #131
No, I don't have to make excuses for Hillary nor boost her up, she is very capable of doing Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #133
Yes, she does do quite well on her own making excuses. n/t Contrary1 Apr 2016 #134
Don't you know? Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #102
Bada bing! TM99 Apr 2016 #115
The DNC? Whose chair has no problem allying herself with Republicans like Sheldon Adelson Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #111
If Bernie Wins People Like Carville Become.... global1 Apr 2016 #62
Horrible man dislikes Sanders. Oh no! JackRiddler Apr 2016 #66
What is more interesting sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #74
Did Hayes have him on his program because Carville did another movie? Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #98
Carville is full of crap! He knows damn well what is happening... tokenlib Apr 2016 #75
Won't hold my nose twice SisterSarah Apr 2016 #77
I don't get it either. Bernie is selling snake oil redstateblues Apr 2016 #79
neither is Carville's wife TheDormouse Apr 2016 #80
he is an ass SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #87
Recent quote from Thom Hartmann: Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2016 #88
I'm vexed as to why Carville married a Republican. Lint Head Apr 2016 #90
Who else would have him? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #121
I don't think that either one of them regard being a Democrat or a Republican as anything more djean111 Apr 2016 #130
James Carville frustrated_lefty Apr 2016 #91
So, they drug the crpyt keeper back out, huh? Major Hogwash Apr 2016 #95
Turtle man speaks! There are Democratic Party principles. emsimon33 Apr 2016 #103
carville needs to go back to the 90's where he belongs. Cobalt Violet Apr 2016 #106
I am vexed by his attitude towards politics. Bonobo Apr 2016 #108
that's my take exactly Locrian Apr 2016 #117
If he doesn't get the nomination, I can't wait for the next time we're short one vote in the Senate. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #110
Maybe that's the point James shawn703 Apr 2016 #118
Bernie is a better dem than they wished. Too bad MaeScott Apr 2016 #119
I usually don't support mentioning peoples wives, but... Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #120
Carville is correct. Bernie is what a Democrat used to be and should be. Vinca Apr 2016 #123
Bernie is unblemished by the Wall Street connection, for the most part. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #126
Get with the program, James! Lifelong Protester Apr 2016 #127
That's about as absurd as saying HRC isn't really a woman d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #128
I'm vexxed as to why anyone care what he thinks n/t dana_b Apr 2016 #132
I'm vexed as to how he could marry Mary Matalin ibegurpard Apr 2016 #136

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
2. According to him
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

Everything is going so well, why change it?

I'm pretty sure its going well for him and other insiders. Can't say the same for the average Joe.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
89. It's the economy stupid
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

His problem is he's still thinking about the overall economy which is doing ok instead of the economic well being of the majority of voters.

Right now a lot of younger people are being helped by their parents who still hung ten on the end of the American dream before it went over the cliff.

Once the young people of today are trying to help their kids and they have nothing themselves prepare for the real socialist revolution.
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
99. That is status quo incarnate, right there...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:02 AM
Apr 2016

"everything is going well" - except for the structures of society and economy being UNTENABLE!

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
105. It's like Will Rogers's version of Calvin Coolidge's State of the Union speech
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:13 AM
Apr 2016

"I am proud to report, that the country as a whole is prosperous. I don't mean by that, that the whole country is prosperous... but as a whole... as a whole, it is prosperous. Now a hole is not supposed to be prosperous... and we are certainly in a hole.”

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
5. Well, Bernie isn't a Democrat.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:25 PM
Apr 2016

although I do appreciate his - uh - "honesty" in admitting that he's only running on the Dem ticket for the media coverage.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
12. I LOVE my healthcare!
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

My "perspective" is that of a US citizen who resides in Canada - and as a US citizen, I VOTE.



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. You'd rather he run a third party campaign?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

If he had chosen to, Bernie could have been a spoiler that was a REAL spoiler in November.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
44. As things have turned out ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

... I doubt it.

Bernie's supporters have been complaining from day one of his campaign that there is a "media blackout", that he doesn't get the coverage he deserves.

How much media coverage do you think BS would have gotten as an independent? Without the exposure that he got from the Dem debates, how much money would have poured into his campaign coffers? How many people would even know he was running? And without that money, how long do you think his campaign would have lasted?

I realize we're both in "we'll never really know" territory. But given what we BOTH know about the MSM, Bernie running as an independent probably would not have garnered media coverage other than "and then there's this crazy guy from Vermont who thinks he can compete with the two established parties, the Democrats and Republicans".

I am not saying that characterization would be fair or justified. But you can't ignore the fact that without his place on the Dem ticket, Bernie would never have gotten anywhere near where he is right now.

If the media is "ignoring" him now, how much more would they have ignored him as an Indy?

The Dem debates were Bernie's chance to be introduced to millions of people who would otherwise never know who he is, or what his platform encompasses. Imagine his campaign without having had that opportunity. And virtually NO publicity would have garnered virtually NO contributions to fund his campaign.

As BS himself said, he ran on the Democratic ticket for the media attention. He KNOWS that that attention would never have existed otherwise.

So no, Bernie would not have been a "real spoiler" in November. With all of the attendant publicity he's received by virtue of running on the Dem ticket, he's still losing to Hillary. Without that publicity, he probably would have been forced to drop out a long time ago due to lack of funds.

Bernie entered this race saying "nobody knows who I am" - who do you think would have "known" him had he not had the advantage of running as a Dem?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
47. I think he would not have gotten as much, but would have caught on
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:23 PM
Apr 2016

It is speculative.

As for whether running as a Democrat was opportunistic --- yeah, sure it was. I have no problem with someone using the system to advance political goals. That's kind of what parties are for, to provide an infrastructure for candidates....And in many ways, he has been an ally of the Democrats in Congress.

And I also think he is being totally honest when he said he also chose to run as a Democrat because he did not want to be a 3rd party spoiler that would help the GOP.

As for what would have happened if he'd run as an independent.....Well, he's no Ralph Nader. He is a member of the Senate, and he does have a degree of charisma that appeals to many more people.

Even Sanders was surprised at how his campaign caught fire.

If he had run 3rd Party, the degree of excitement and support he has generated would have gotten a share of media attention, and -- considering how boring the Democratic primary would have been without him -- he would have added another level of intrigue. And, if he had not had to worry about winning a primary, he could have had a guaranteed run through November, and would have been a significant "player" and would have put a big dent in the Democrats turnout in November.

dchill

(38,556 posts)
72. I'm sure it's part of it.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

MY point is that your point, as usual, is biased and prejudicial. I, too, am a Democrat, and Bernie Sanders and I both say that he's a Democrat, for the purpose of putting this party back into Democratic and democratic hands.

Lunabell

(6,117 posts)
11. Yes, but this is what a large percentage of Dems want.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

We want a progressive party that gives to the people and uplifts the middle class. We needed Bernie to excite the party or this tired old party will just turn into Republican lite.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
64. Leave it to you not to understand being a Democrat is more than a check mark on an index card.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:05 PM
Apr 2016

Whose ideals does Bernie Sanders adhere to most closely? Republicans, or Democrats?

For fuck's sake... you people do glom on to stupid meaningless shit.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
70. It has nothing to do with ...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

... whose ideals BS adheres to most closely. And if he thought that were the case, why wasn't THAT his answer when asked why he's running as a Democrat?

He has demeaned the Democratic Party for decades, and admitted that the only reason he's running on the Dem ticket is because he knew he'd get more media coverage that way.

If you think dissing a party for years - and then using it to advance your own political ambitions is some kind of admirable "ideal" - you go right ahead and think that.

I recognize a self-serving opportunist when I see one - especially when that opportunist openly admits it. Bernie's own statement leaves little room for discussion about his "ideals".

 

RANGERMAN89

(91 posts)
116. Why do Hillary supporters hate our representative democracy
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:25 AM
Apr 2016

Apparently it is a sin to criticize or evaluate our elected officials. Apparently it is a sin to disagree with the people in power. You can stick your nose in the air and talk about party purity all day long but thankfully the youth of this nation will eventually destroy the scum like Hillary and other establishment hacks who send our children on false crusades like they(including Hillary) did to me. Hillary can call herself a fighter all day long but she didn't fight for me when the Iraq war vote came up. I won't support someone who authorized the death of my friends for a lie because she was tricked by G.W Bush or worse who thought that the war was a good business investment.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
84. I live in Canada ...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

... but am not a Canadian citizen. I'm a US citizen, and vote via absentee ballot in my home state of NY.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
101. Of course.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:23 AM
Apr 2016

All Canadian residents do, whether citizens or not.

My husband (also a US citizen) passed away last year from cancer. He had in-home care - visiting doctors, nurses, physical therapists, nutritionists, social workers - and, in the end, hospital care. The gov't supplied us with canes, a walker, a wheelchair, a shower seat, etc. - even sent a personal care worker three times a week to help around the house with laundry and other household duties, so that my time was free to spend with my husband in his last days.

This cost us nothing. Had we been living in the States, we would have literally been bankrupted by the doctors' bills and hospital bills alone. And we never could have afforded the "extras" I've outlined above.

In addition, my husband's meds - which ran over $1,000 a month - were covered as well.

This system works, and it works extremely well.

NanceGreggs

(27,820 posts)
135. His words, not mine.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:30 AM
Apr 2016
"Do you run as an independent? Do you run within the Democratic Party? We concluded – and I think it was absolutely the right decision – that, A, in terms of media coverage, you have to run within the Democratic Party."

Of course, this is the same man who once said: "It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat because of the things I have said about the party."





Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
109. I know. You actually hate him. I read your comment to that effect in the Hillary Clinton Group
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:24 AM
Apr 2016

Hate is an ugly thing. Especially when it is for a good person and for a bad reason.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
10. James "I got mine, you pions can wait' Carville
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

Isn't it always the way? There's always some excuse for why the middle class needs to be patient and wait its turn .... "we just need you to sacrifice your needs for the good of the whole (ie: establishment) until we can afford to deal with your problems, right now we have bigger problems to deal with (ie: our power)"

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
13. I agree with vandenHeuvel...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016
Katrina vandenHeuvel ?@KatrinaNation · 7m7 minutes ago

I am a longtime member of the democratic wing of Democratic Party- Warren wing is ascendant, Carville should pack it up --


 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
14. The disconnect between "We've been in charge since 1992" and "half of the party is revolting" is
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

incredible.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
41. They haven't been voting for a while. Something is obviously broken but blaming "them" only helps
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

movements like Bernie's and the ones that follow. But you DLCers continue what you're doing. You're turning people away and blaming them.

And that's good for the other half of the Democratic Party

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
33. Wow, what a collection of assholes!
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:51 PM
Apr 2016

Carville, Begala, Tucker Carlson and Robert Novak.

The night Jon Stewart went on CNN's Crossfire and tore Begala and Carlson new assholes for putting on a bullshit show that lowered the quality of American political discourse 5 nights a week was a great moment in TV history.

longship

(40,416 posts)
82. And here it is!
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:03 AM
Apr 2016


Within a month or so, Crossfire was deader than a Tyson chicken.

And bow tie guy's bow tie is still spinning like a propeller.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. Meh. he's just trolling....Wants to start a fight with Sanders and supporters
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

Some weird form of campaign strategy that looks kind of desperate.

He and the Clintons' other charm boy Barney Frank are not dong her any favors with their asshole behavior.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
29. Well said!
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

I saw a couple of minutes of him and he looked as bitter and past his sell by date as Bill Clinton.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
21. Hey Did You Hear
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is not - gasp/swoon - a Democrat. Wow James...you made news. I had no idea the guy who supports my views as a long time Democrat is NOT A DEMOCRAT.

Guess what James...we KNOW THAT. We know he doesn't have the D after his name (except of course in this Primary). But guess what James, I'm voting for him because of his position on the issues not for the "D" after his name. Blue Dog Democrats have a "D" after their name. I don't vote for them either. I vote for the candidate who most closely represents my position on the issues. Yeah, I know it's weird but some of us actually DO our research. We know which candidate supports us and which one just pretends to support us during an election.

 
23. Sonny Jim, your and my definition of Democrat
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

is quite stark.

After all, I don't marry Republicans to begin with. You have never learned what a Democrat in your life was. Don't give a shit if you helped Clinton in '92, it still won't happen in '16.

BernieforPres2016

(3,017 posts)
27. Chris Hayes is also vexed at why people support Bernie, even after he tries to talk them out of it.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

Really? But don't you think Hillary wants those things too?

Funtatlaguy

(10,889 posts)
30. Bernie is like a Democrat Plus.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

He caucuses with the Dems.
He is the most progressive Senator.
His brand of Democratic Socialism is now right for the times.
He is the best version of what a true FDR type of Democrat should be.
He is not a watered down dlc version.

potone

(1,701 posts)
34. This is the problem with the Washington party establishment.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

They can't seem to wrap their minds around the fact that Democrats expect the party to represent our interests, rather than us representing the party. This began with the DLC and Bill Clinton's presidency. It needs to end, now!

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
78. +1, It kills me that they keep expressing this sentiment, in the middle of a campaign
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:11 PM
Apr 2016

season that's defined by insurgent, anti-establishment sentiment. In both the Republican and Democratic races, establishment hacks keep offering various forms of 'he's not even in our club!', as if that's not a huge plus to most voters.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
38. Bless his heart, James Carville is a real piece of work.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

I've always thought he's kind of crazy. And he LOVES those Clintons.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
40. Labels are really, really, important when selecting a candidate to vote for.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:04 PM
Apr 2016

Right up there with shoe size, color of eyes, and whether he/she likes parakeets.

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
42. Carville made a lot of sense about Bernie. He lumped Bernie in with the RW'ers who
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

do nothing but attack Hillary. He made a lot of sense.

dflprincess

(28,086 posts)
53. No James
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:54 PM
Apr 2016

it's you and your Third Way/DLC/"New" Democrats who aren't really Democrats.

Bernie is more a Democrat than you could even pretend to be.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
55. the trash can on his head apparently isn't big enough to cover his mouth - duct tape would help
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:55 PM
Apr 2016

tired of listening to his neoliberal crap

dchill

(38,556 posts)
65. Indeed.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:06 PM
Apr 2016

He's MY kind of Democrat, for sure. He's been more of a Democrat than most in congress for decades.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
114. he doesn't have Sheldon Adelson on his speed dial
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 04:01 AM
Apr 2016

to coordinate ways to make sure prison cells keep getting filled with medical marijuana users.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
59. Carville is right, the DNC needs a Democrat as the nominee.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:59 PM
Apr 2016

Looks like many does not have anything good to say about Bernie, why is this happening?

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
60. I thought he was right, as well. He made total sense
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:03 PM
Apr 2016

that leadership is needed by someone interested in supporting other Democrats and not just himself.

R B Garr

(16,993 posts)
68. I was actually relieved and impressed to hear him
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

being realistic and not worrying about massaging Bernie just right. Why have a non-Democrat for a job leading Democrats. So happy to hear that common sense from someone like him.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
112. So you demanded that Sanders not caucus with us last time we had an otherwise tied senate, huh?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:55 AM
Apr 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders


his caucusing with the Democrats entitled him to committee assignments and at times gave Democrats a majority.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
76. So why did the DNC allow him to run as a Democrat in this race?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
Apr 2016

It would have been oh so simple to tell Sanders, sorry, while you do caucus with us, raise money for us, and chair committee's for us, you have never been a formal member of the Democratic Party. You can not run as one.

But they didn't. Therefore, he is here, and he is running as a Democrat. Furthermore he has a lot of leftist independent and formal party member supporters. He polls better than anyone against ALL GOP candidates. And in less than a year, he is within mere points of tying Clinton for national support.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
81. The better question would be why did Sanders seen to run in the DNC
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

Primary? Yes he could have told no but the DNC is better than telling him no. Why do you think he polls better in kick ups with GOP, because the GOP wants to run in the GE rather than Hillary, the same reason Rove's PAC is running ads against Hillary.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
92. See, that really isn't answering the questions
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:51 AM
Apr 2016

I asked.

This is called deflection. It is a common attempt to steer the conversation away from a topic for which the poster has no cogent reply.

The DNC allowed him to run, therefore, attacks against him as a 'non Democrat' should also be views as attacks against the Party machine as well as proof of a Clinton bias.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
93. I am just reacting to Sanders actions, BTW, you probably already know Sanders ran on the DNC ticket
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:22 AM
Apr 2016

to get media coverage.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
96. Y'all just can never answer questions asked
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:55 AM
Apr 2016

can y'all?

It is no wonder Clinton is the candidate of choice as she pivots like a ballerina on any direct question.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
122. Ah, now you know how I feel about Sanders, or when he starts making
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 08:00 AM
Apr 2016

Excuses on his bad votes, no, I do not buy the excuses.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
124. See, there you go yet again.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

Y'all just have conversations in your own heads with no input or response from real people outside of your bubble.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
133. No, I don't have to make excuses for Hillary nor boost her up, she is very capable of doing
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

this on her own. I am very happy to back Hillary.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
111. The DNC? Whose chair has no problem allying herself with Republicans like Sheldon Adelson
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:53 AM
Apr 2016

on all-important matters like making sure sick people keep getting sent to prison for using medical marijuana.



Something is rotten in DNC-mark.

global1

(25,278 posts)
62. If Bernie Wins People Like Carville Become....
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:04 PM
Apr 2016

obsolete. They are out of a job because all of Washinton will be changed.

So what do you think a Carville would say to Hayes?

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
74. What is more interesting
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

is the fact that Hayes asked this man onto his
show, when he should know that Carville is just
there because he craves attention.

MSNBC has become a total sell out.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
98. Did Hayes have him on his program because Carville did another movie?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:59 AM
Apr 2016

I don't watch MSNBC anymore, so I can't see why Chris would ask James on to his show unless James has something else to sell.

tokenlib

(4,186 posts)
75. Carville is full of crap! He knows damn well what is happening...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

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The New Dem/Third Way people know damn well that the real enemy to their power is the New Deal progressive wing of the party. After over TWO DECADES Bernie comes along and threatens to derail the Hillary Express. So they attack his character, ignore him ,slime him, slam his supporters, minimize his movement, "unicornize" his ideas, "pipe dream" his chances, "spoilerize" his staying in the race even when all votes are not cast... Hillary's time has come, and she might get rejected....OH MY!!

 

SisterSarah

(30 posts)
77. Won't hold my nose twice
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:10 PM
Apr 2016

Independents who left the Democratic Party long ago were forced to re-enter in closed primary states and Bernie Sanders is the only reason.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
130. I don't think that either one of them regard being a Democrat or a Republican as anything more
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

than a job and/or performance art. All about the money.

This what the bottom of the Clinton campaign barrel looks like.

frustrated_lefty

(2,774 posts)
91. James Carville
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

is an Edwin Edwards wannabe. He might be more astute if he weren't bedded with that republican sheister.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
95. So, they drug the crpyt keeper back out, huh?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016

Carville hasn't been relevant for about 20 frickin' years!

If they really want to televise someone spewing their nonsensical, daydreaming musings about the future, they should interview his wife!!

Get her back in front of the cameras!!
I'd like to see her try to defend Trump or Cruz!


emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
103. Turtle man speaks! There are Democratic Party principles.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:02 AM
Apr 2016

That those principles have been thrown under the bus by the last few "Democratic" presidents does not mean that they are not bedrock to what it means to be a Democrat. Clinton tried to redefine what it means to be a Democrat with his Third Way, neo-liberal hogwash which made the Party a pale reflection of the Republican Party. Just because a politician has a "D" after his/her name does not make him/her a true Democrat in my mind if they do not adhere to the bedrock principles that separate the true Democrats from Republicans and Republican wantabees. Bernie has always walked the walk and talked the talk of a true Democrat. That he put an "I" after his name made him no less a Democrat.

This newest meme from the Hillary camp will blow up in their face as the reason that Bernie is so popular is that he has not been part of the sell-outs in the Party. Highlighting this will only energize those people voting Democratic who simply vote Democratic without any thought or insight...those who would vote for Hillary anyway.

The largest block of voters now are Independents. Guess who the recent meme will further energize for Bernie: The Independents.

Seriously, Hillary's campaign is almost an embarrassment. Can't anyone there anticipate the impact of the stuff they throw at Bernie? Are they living in a bubble, an echo chamber? These Rovian moves are just not working!

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
108. I am vexed by his attitude towards politics.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:23 AM
Apr 2016

If he cared about policy as much as he does about the "great game of politics", he would not be able to stand that wife of his.

But it is a game for him. He loves politics above all else.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
117. that's my take exactly
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 06:46 AM
Apr 2016

He's the ultimate insider - hired gun for any side that pay$. Part of the dinosaur media establishment, oblivious to the shift to online and information vs spin.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
110. If he doesn't get the nomination, I can't wait for the next time we're short one vote in the Senate.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 03:51 AM
Apr 2016

All these "he's not a rrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeal Democrat" pissers and moaners will demand he not caucus with us, as he always has in the past.

I'm sure.

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
118. Maybe that's the point James
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 06:50 AM
Apr 2016

It's going to take an outsider to right the wrongs you and your ilk have perpetrated on the Democratic Party.

MaeScott

(878 posts)
119. Bernie is a better dem than they wished. Too bad
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:33 AM
Apr 2016

Carville knows that Sanders is one of those "better" Dems that the party sorely lacks.

Sky Masterson

(5,240 posts)
120. I usually don't support mentioning peoples wives, but...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 07:34 AM
Apr 2016

He is married to Mary Joe Matalin (born August 19, 1953) is an American political consultant well known for her work with the Republican Party. She has served under President Ronald Reagan, was campaign director for George H.W. Bush, was an assistant to President George W. Bush, and counselor to Vice President Dick Cheney until 2003.

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
126. Bernie is unblemished by the Wall Street connection, for the most part.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

So, how do you remove their influence from the Democratic Party and the Republican Party?

Public funding of all elections, disallow any person or group or corporation from donating to a political candidate.

Not sure how you would constitutionally deal with PAC's and their advertising, though.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
128. That's about as absurd as saying HRC isn't really a woman
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

Then make a case from her wardrobe from the 90's till now to "prove" a point. Last I checked there are people working 40 hours who are broke as hell. There are people who's jobs have been taken from them and shipped to (insert third world shit-hole here). If the establishment can't figure out why Sanders is so popular and have to resort to logical fallacies to get everyone to like Clinton then their goose is cooked.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
136. I'm vexed as to how he could marry Mary Matalin
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 02:33 AM
Apr 2016

That sort of political incestuousness certainly explains a lot about the current state of the Democratic Party.

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