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Related: About this forumGreat speech by Tim Robbins for Bernie in Green Bay this afternoon
He starts at 9:10 on this video and his speech is about 15 minutes. Well worth the time.
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Great speech by Tim Robbins for Bernie in Green Bay this afternoon (Original Post)
BernieforPres2016
Apr 2016
OP
Robbins is the bad kind, unlike the good millionaires and billionaires for Hillary?
whatchamacallit
Apr 2016
#12
Bernie's tax plan doesn't tax plan doesn't tax you like you're making it out to be.
think
Apr 2016
#6
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)1. One of the good guys
Renew Deal
(81,877 posts)2. More millionaires for Bernie
think
(11,641 posts)4. 6.5 million contributions from over 2 million individual donors!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)12. Robbins is the bad kind, unlike the good millionaires and billionaires for Hillary?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)3. Why does this multimillionaire want to raise my middle class taxes?
Fuck that, tax the rich.
think
(11,641 posts)6. Bernie's tax plan doesn't tax plan doesn't tax you like you're making it out to be.
You're being extremely disingenuous...
There it is
think
(11,641 posts)10. Using a bullshit bogus tool that includes the employers share for single payer. It FIGURES!
Ezra Klein and the Terrible, Horrible, No-Good Tax Calculator
The website Vox (3/25/16) has what editor-in-chief Ezra Klein describes as an excellent tax calculator that, in its headlines promise, Tells You How Each Presidential Candidates Tax Plan Affects You.
A
ctually, it does no such thing; its a gimmick that is entirely useless except as a deceptive advertisement for Hillary Clinton.
As a gimmick, its pretty simple. You put in your annual income (actually, your expanded cash income, which you probably dont know even if you know what it is), whether youre single or married and whether you have no kids, one kid, or two or more kids.
And then it tells you what Donald Trumps, Ted Cruzs, Hillary Clintons and Bernie Sanders plans mean for your federal tax liability.
Lets try it out with the US median household income ($43,585), married, two kids. You get a graphic that looks like this:
~Snip~
Mostly, that big number you get for the Sanders tax hike when you plug in your income is the payroll tax that employers will pay to cover the cost of a single-payer healthcare system. As the Tax Policy Center, which worked with Vox to create the calculator, explains:
Were including payroll taxes, excise taxes and corporate income taxes as well as individual income taxes . Most economists think employers pass their share of the tax on to workers in the form of lower wages.
With all due respect to most economists, this is dubious. Unless you work at the rare enterprise that does not have profit as its primary goal, your bosses are already paying you as little as they think they can get away with. If they get a new cost associated with your employment, they may try to raise their prices. They may look for other areas where they can cut costs. They may even decide that they can no longer afford to employ you. But what they wont do is suddenly realize that they could have been paying you thousands of dollars less all along without you quitting. (They may even be forced to accept a lower profit rate, though thats something most economists seem to exclude a priori.)
Read more:
http://fair.org/home/ezra-klein-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-tax-calculator/
The website Vox (3/25/16) has what editor-in-chief Ezra Klein describes as an excellent tax calculator that, in its headlines promise, Tells You How Each Presidential Candidates Tax Plan Affects You.
A
ctually, it does no such thing; its a gimmick that is entirely useless except as a deceptive advertisement for Hillary Clinton.
As a gimmick, its pretty simple. You put in your annual income (actually, your expanded cash income, which you probably dont know even if you know what it is), whether youre single or married and whether you have no kids, one kid, or two or more kids.
And then it tells you what Donald Trumps, Ted Cruzs, Hillary Clintons and Bernie Sanders plans mean for your federal tax liability.
Lets try it out with the US median household income ($43,585), married, two kids. You get a graphic that looks like this:
~Snip~
Mostly, that big number you get for the Sanders tax hike when you plug in your income is the payroll tax that employers will pay to cover the cost of a single-payer healthcare system. As the Tax Policy Center, which worked with Vox to create the calculator, explains:
Were including payroll taxes, excise taxes and corporate income taxes as well as individual income taxes . Most economists think employers pass their share of the tax on to workers in the form of lower wages.
With all due respect to most economists, this is dubious. Unless you work at the rare enterprise that does not have profit as its primary goal, your bosses are already paying you as little as they think they can get away with. If they get a new cost associated with your employment, they may try to raise their prices. They may look for other areas where they can cut costs. They may even decide that they can no longer afford to employ you. But what they wont do is suddenly realize that they could have been paying you thousands of dollars less all along without you quitting. (They may even be forced to accept a lower profit rate, though thats something most economists seem to exclude a priori.)
Read more:
http://fair.org/home/ezra-klein-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-tax-calculator/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)11. So this is only the cost of single payer, what about the rest of his plans?
What about paying to support the mass layoffs that will occur from dismantling an entire healthcare industry? Or the trade wars he will start that will end in much higher consumer costs that negatively impact only the mid class and poor?
KelleyD
(277 posts)5. Whoa! What happened to Tim, he looks like Bernie! n/t
Armstead
(47,803 posts)8. It's called age I believe
Happens to the best of us
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)9. I hope they broadcast this in Guam!
Such contempt towards South Carolina. Nasty.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)13. Yup, typical Limousine Liberal
He knows what's good for people better than they do.