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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:35 PM Apr 2016

Some savvy journalist needs to ask Hill if she's now for a national $15 wage... cuz I bet she isn't!

Note her vague language today, talking about how she's for raising the minimum wage across the country.... but she didn't say by how much! She left viewers with the impression that she's for $15 nationwide, but a careful reading (parsing?) of her lines indicates she hasn't changed her position one bit.

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Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
2. NY, CA two of the highest cost-of-living places in the US. Perhaps they can afford it and should
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

HRC has said she is for a $12 Fed minimum wage so as not to unduly hurt small businesses. She is also in favor of states determining their own state minimum wages. So why the big shit storm? She is happy with the NY $15 minimum. Fed min wage has ramifications for all sorts of business, especially small businesses.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
3. she was on with Cuomo -
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

don't even start me on Cuomo riding on his father's coat tails because he is definitely not his father.

anyway she was saying this is what Sanders misses - that they had to work a long time to get this $15 an hour minimum wage - but wait didn't she say $15 an hour s too much? and that we had to do it in baby steps - which is it?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
6. National- Federal minimum vs what is needed in NYC? Not the same thing at all.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:58 PM
Apr 2016

Why is everyone feigning confusion over this?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
16. I am not confused, but there is a pretentiousness about waiting got this for them
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:14 PM
Apr 2016

we all know that waiting had nothing to do with it and Cuomo did not want it to happen.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
4. Hoping she gets an icy reception while she is on stage.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

Please let there be courageous fighters there that let Her Inevitably know they see through her. Nothing better than seeing that fake smile and death stare of hers come through on the cameras.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
5. My understanding is it is $15 only in NYC now, $12 somewthing in the rest of the state.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

MY STATE !
GO BERNARD !!!

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
9. Thats correct, and that was exactly her position.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

In debates she said $12/hr fed minimum and and $15/hr for higher cost of living areas: NYC | Upstate NY

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
11. I live in upstate NY.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:10 PM
Apr 2016

$12/hour SUCKS!!!
Bernard is for $15 !!!

And NOW she will take credit with that fellow power hungry political opportunist Cuomo for it.

Screw that shit...



TheDormouse

(1,168 posts)
7. They won't. They need to ask her WHY she isn't
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:02 PM
Apr 2016

especially when her own personal minimum wage is like $225,000/hr.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
8. Watch the past debates...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

She is for $12/hr fed and higher for high cost of living areas, such as NY, LA, Seattle, etc. And upstate NY isnt phasing it in for a few years, which is exactly her point.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
12. Funny, somebody making $225,000 an hour thinks it is too much for somebody
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

living in Ontario Country to earn $15.00/hour.

Beyond the pale.


delrem

(9,688 posts)
10. As if a savvy journalist could ever get that close, to ask the question...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

It's so obviously a farce.

More than that, it's now so obviously visible. After Citizens United and after seeing that every one of the most fabled "journalists" who survived the ensuing cuts and changeovers and remakes is bought (speaking esp. of you Rachel, Chris, Lawrence) - there just being too much money in the mix for it to be otherwise. Citizens United especially benefited the MSM - the advertising revenue! - so the judgement had the most impact on that business.

Allow me a moment of stream of consciousness:
IMO there isn't that much difference in personality types between the Clintons and the Trumps. Both extreme alpha. Photogenic, by design. Both singularly self-centered, focused on winning, on enriching themselves by winning. Clinton has a natural advantage over Trump in a possible GE putting Hillary vs Donald, in that Hillary has built her empire exclusively by trading on political favors whereas Donald is pretending that his empire building experience as a real estate and media shyster is equivalent, in the political arena. I think even Donald Trump knows that to be an empty pretense. Perhaps it was one of the things mentioned when Bill Clinton called Trump two weeks before Trump announced -- perhaps mentioned along with a whole sweet slew of condolence prizes if Trump would agree to run and give Hillary the perfect foil.
The MSM, the media in general, is rolling in it, the money that came after Citizens United, like a freshly bathed dog in a warm pile of especially odoriferous shit.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
15. She would do what Third Way wants, regardless of what she says to win votes.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

The Clinton ARE Third Way.

We end the fight and drama over periodic minimum wage increases by gradually raising it to between $10 and $12 by 2020 based on average hourly wages and regional cost variations, with automatic readjustments every 3 years. Specifically, we set a “national average” for the minimum wage which would equal 50% of the average hourly wage of private sector, non-supervisory workers. If this were in place today, the average would be $10.54.236 We use the term national average for the minimum wage because we also allow for a federal floor for wages that differs state-by-state depending on costs. For low-cost states (e.g. North Dakota, Idaho, and Kentucky), the initial rate would be $1 less than the national average; for high-cost states (e.g. New York, California, and Virginia), the initial rate would be $1 more than the national average. The remaining states would be set at the national average. By 2020, we estimate that the national average would be over $11, putting the minimum wage over the range of $10 to $12. Each three years thereafter, the minimum wage would be adjusted. Regional adjustments of the minimum wage have been proposed as a way to minimize job losses related to wage hikes in low-cost states, and companies like IKEA have employed cost of living calculators to regionally raise their minimum wage.237 We believe raising the minimum wage is critical, but we also want to make clear that the minimum wage is a waystation at the beginning of a successful work career, not a permanent destination. We also call for renewed federal efforts to encourage higher uptake of the Earned Income Tax Credit.

http://www.thirdway.org/report/ready-for-the-new-economy


In fact, if you want to know what she would do on many issues, regardless of what she says when campaigning, read the whole thing. It isn't scary, its just sane republican.

She is a skilled DINO. But still, a DINO. I can see why Big Busine$$ wants her.
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