Hillary Clinton Voices Support For $12 Minimum Wage, But Balks At $15

[Autumn]

Her hesitance on $15 may displease progressives — but it will relieve businesses that are getting bowled over by minimum wage campaigns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-12-minimum-wage_us_55ba7988e4b0b23e3ce1f307

WASHINGTON — Putting some distance between herself and other Democratic presidential hopefuls, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced support Thursday for a proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $12, suggesting that a more ambitious proposal of $15 wouldn’t be realistic on Capitol Hill.

Speaking to reporters after her meeting with the executive council of the AFL-CIO labor federation, Clinton was asked what the minimum wage should be raised to from its current level of $7.25. She answered by discussing a measure put forth in Congress by Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) and Rep. Bobby Scott (D-Va.) that would hike the minimum wage to $12 and tie it to an inflation index.

“I think it’s going to be important that we set a national minimum, but then we get out of the way of cities and states that believe that they can and should go higher,” she said.

Pressed on whether $12 was better than a competing Democratic proposal of $15, Clinton suggested the more modest increase is also the more viable one politically.

[ViseGrip]

1. Why is she getting away with this. She DID NOT MARCH WITH THEM. Bernie did!

[Orsino]

32. She gets away with this because we let her.

Most Americans not (yet or still) working for minimum wage are comfortable ignoring the plight of those who do. Hillary Clinton is the candidate for maybe doing someething about it, but not too much. She's the candidate for not understanding that a higher minimum wage benefits all of us.

[Trust Buster]

2. I agree with her. She knows that $15/hr will not pass Congress and is just more Sanders pandering.

[Armstead]

6. If your fatalism is true, then you have start at $15 so you might get $12

You start at $12 there will be the same reflexive GOP opposition...or if lucky might get $10

[killbotfactory]

7. $12 minimum wage won't pass Congress, either.

Compromising before negotiations even start is stupid.

But that's how the third way rolls.

[Autumn]

9. That's why the working poor and middle class have lost so much ground.

We accept the crumbs from those we elect that see to their own needs above ours.You want to call it pandering, then call it pandering.

I see a man who sees the needs of these who have lost so much of their wealth and are barely hanging on. He is willing to get out there and fight side by side with them to get a paltry 15 dollars an hour.

While she panders to business and says 12 dollars is enough.

Someones pandering all right.

[Hortensis]

11. Personally, I think our stupidity had a lot to do with it.

How could anyone come to any other conclusion after listening to the incredible ignorance that passes for political discussion in almost all venues these days?

Most people literally cannot identify their allies or their enemies but are shooting angrily away at moving shapes in a mental fog.

[Autumn]

14. Yeah it does, also that we vote for people who don't give a fuck about the needs of the people.

[Trust Buster]

13. No responsible politician would vote for a $15/hr national minimum wage.

$15/hr might be absorbed in economies like NYC, Los Angeles and Seattle but would be devastating to businesses in Shreveport, Memphis and Birmingham. Hillary is being honest with the people. $12 is a reasonable target, $15 is just politically pandering.

[Autumn]

15. No wealthy politician would vote for a $15/hr national minimum wage when those

business who don't want to pay workers pay that politician to say $15/hr is devastating to businesses.

Hillary being honest??

[Trust Buster]

16. Yes, she's being honest. $15/hr ain't happening on a national level.

[Autumn]

18. That's fucking shame. People are suffering while the wealthy who

are elected to look out for the people pad their own wealth at out expense. They have a problem though, the people have finally seen what is going on and they are pissed.

[Trust Buster]

20. You know that Congress is not going to pass a $15/hr national minimum wage.

[Autumn]

22. Of course they won't. Especially when the democrats wont fight for it like they fought

for the banks when they crashed and lost their wealth. Like when the democrats fought to make the bush tax breaks for the wealthy permanent instead of letting them expire.

See the problem? Because we fucking see the problem.

[Trust Buster]

23. We don't have the votes. It's simple math. This is an example of what Barney Frank was talking

about.

[Autumn]

27. Banker Barney can STFU. He is and has been a big part of the problem.

Wearing that magical D while pretending to fight for for people while looking out for his needs. He would still be doing that if the House hadn't censured him for his ethics . Good thing he used that revolving door and became a banking lobbyist, it really increased his wealth.

Barney is the perfect example of the problem with democrats that we keep electing over and over again. The crumbs theay toss down to us remain the same while their life gets better.

[Trust Buster]

28. I respect Barney Frank. He did a good job.

[Autumn]

29. I don't respect Barney Frank. Lots of politician I don't respect.

[Kip Humphrey]

26. and I guess you support her taking credit for NY's $15/hr too.

[timmymoff]

34. Then i am glad you and her aren't negotiating

Your post shows how truly weak her stance and supporters are. I see know reason why I would want to unite with a group willing to give up a fight before it happens. If it were up to you weak kneed corporate dems women wouldn't be voting and we would still be a colony of England. My goodness I haven't seen a bigger group of roll over and lick their master's boots type individuals in some time. You don't immediately take away 3 dollars from the negotiating table because you are worried about what the gop might think. Screw them. You repeatedly beat the $15 dollars over their thick heads until they compromise at a greater number than you wanted. Hell NY and California are doing it. Seattle has. Yet you roll over dems wouldn't want to ruffle the feathers of her Corporate Majesty's donor base. It's dems like you and her that make me question why I even stick up for the party. The antithesis of what our party should do is what you accept. Shameful.

[amborin]

3. lies, lies, and more lies

[Ash_F]

4. AFL-CIO also has marched with us on the fight for $15. /nt

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

[BernieforPres2016]

5. Did she reinforce that position at today's ceremony on $15 in NY?

My guess is No.

[Trust Buster]

8. The Congress will not pass a $15/hr national minimum wage. Hillary is just being honest.

[itsrobert]

10. Three Pinocchios should try that

For a change.

[Autumn]

12. Hillary's delegates not showing up in Nevada really stung didn't it?

[Cryptoad]

17. I want a Prez who doesnt' make thought out policy?

what did Hillary really say

" $12 an hour in today’s dollars  —  and support state and local efforts to go even further."

That is deliberate well thought out starting point!

no Bern Hair brain off the cuff ideas.

[Autumn]

19. Here, you have had a rough couple of days

[B Calm]

21. What would you expect from an ex Corporate Walmart Lawyer?

[bigwillq]

24. It's high time we pay politicians and CEOs $12 an hour (nt)

[LonePirate]

25. Am I the only one who sees this as a difference between New York State and Congress?

Each group of legislators can pass legislation that has almost no chance in the other body.

[My Good Babushka]

30. I stand with the Fight for 15

The American labor force does not want a nationally fractured, balkanized minimum wage, with some areas giving and some areas taking away. $15 an hour, for labor, everywhere, with no excuses or backpedaling or asterisks. Work is work, and work deserves fair pay. There are not that many difference in cost of living, things like gas, education, medical care, child care, food and even rents, are going up everywhere. To say that it is less expensive to live in one place rather than another place is an excuse used to dampen wage growth. As soon as someone starts muttering into their sleeve about the "cost of living" they are going to follow up with an excuse as to why they can't pay a fair wage for labor.

[bowens43]

31. 'more viable one politically.' Yep that's hillary ..NO WE CAN'T.....

why would anyone vote for this despicable , right of center enemy of the poor and middle class?

[Capt. Obvious]

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