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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:10 AM Apr 2016

Huff Po: Democrats Are Flawlessly Executing A 10 Point Plan to Lose the GE


The Democrats Are Flawlessly Executing a 10-Point Plan to Lose the 2016 Presidential Election

04/03/2016 05:41

By Seth Abramson


One needn’t speculate about how the Democrats could end up losing the 2016 presidential election. In fact, a subtly complex, multi-part plan to do just that is exactly what the Democrats have been up to over the last six months.

Here’s a detailed report on the ten steps the Democrats are now taking to ensure they lose the White House to the Republicans in 2016:

1. Assume that Donald Trump will be the Republicans’ 2016 nominee, though it’s now clear he won’t be.

Republican pundits agree: Trump will come up short of the 1,237 delegates he needs to clinch the Republican nomination prior to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

Trump will come up short for several reasons: (a) neither Ted Cruz nor John Kasich has any reason to leave the race before Cleveland, and the entirety of their ambition in remaining candidates is to deny delegates to Trump pre-Cleveland; (b) delegates Trump thought he had earned — in Louisiana, in Tennessee, in South Carolina, and soon enough elsewhere — are being and will be taken from him pre-Convention via shenanigans coordinated by Ted Cruz’s ground operation; (c) Trump is about to lose Wisconsin, and will continue to lose certain smaller and more rural states to Cruz and large pockets of delegates to Kasich in Midwestern and Northeastern states; and (d) there are just too few states left for Trump to clinch before Cleveland, now that his “win %” is well over 50% (that is, he has to win well over 50% of the remaining delegates to clinch the nomination pre-convention, and in a three-candidate primary he’s clearly not been able to do that).

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2. Nominate the only person who can reunite the Republican Party once Trump failing to get the nomination has fractured it beyond repair.

Hillary Clinton is one of the least popular major-party politicians in America, and her disapproval rating is not just sky-high among Republicans — we already knew that — but is in fact a long-time institutional motivator for the entire Republican Party.

Nothing unites Republicans quite like hatred of the Clintons. If Trump’s supporters are denied seeing their favored candidate win the nomination despite his lead in delegates earned through primaries and caucuses — and make no mistake, they will be so denied — their impulse to bolt the Republican Party completely will (and can) only be stopped by a Clinton candidacy.

Hillary Clinton is, in short, the only savior the Republican Party has left.

So the Democrats are working as hard as they can to nominate her, of course.

3. Fracture the Democratic Party by broadly supporting the Clinton camp’s attempts to smear Bernie Sanders and his supporters.

Three weeks ago, no one was talking about the Democratic race being “negative.”

Then Bernie Sanders starting winning more Election Day votes than Clinton, started cutting into her delegate lead, and started developing the sort of momentum that could lead to catastrophic electoral results for Clinton in the latter half of the election season. After winning 60% of the delegates in February, Clinton won only 51% of them in March, and is now set to lose the first two votes on April (Wisconsin and Wyoming). The frustration in her camp is palpable, and recently was seen on the face of the candidate herself while reprimanding a Sanders supporter during a public rally.

So the Clinton camp — with the help of the media and cable-news interviews (as well as newspaper editorials) by Party elites — changed the narrative.

Clinton campaign staff put out the conspiracy theory that Sanders was planning (I paraphrase) “a massive negative attack campaign” in New York, based solely on internal polls taken by Sanders to determine which issues New York voters are most interested in hearing the candidates discuss. Clinton supporters Barney Frank and Bakari Sellers accused Sanders of being a “McCarthyite” — comparison to the late Senator Joe McCarthy being one of the most damning slanders in American politics — for noting that oil lobbyists were bundling money for the Clinton campaign and for her super-PAC. The Clinton camp accused the Sanders campaign of “playing games” with the scheduling of a primary debate in New York.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-democrats-10-point-plan-lose-election_b_9605608.html
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Huff Po: Democrats Are Flawlessly Executing A 10 Point Plan to Lose the GE (Original Post) amborin Apr 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #1
I read this earlier and almost posted it Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #2
That's a whole lotta truth right there. Anybody listening??? Autumn Apr 2016 #3
Can they hear us now!!?? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #26
They will hear us. It's no longer business as usual and they are going to find that out Autumn Apr 2016 #27
Oh I agree! nt wendylaroux Apr 2016 #28
So are the Republicans. grasswire Apr 2016 #4
I've said for a while bvf Apr 2016 #5
Absolutely freakin' amazing analysis. Raster Apr 2016 #6
Insightful article. Insight is what the Democratic Party needs but totally lacks right now. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #7
This is a great article Hydra Apr 2016 #8
Yes. These points were being made here last year. It is painfully obvious the truths within. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #11
Not gonna happen brush Apr 2016 #32
It's going to be Paul Ryan. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #34
The Republicans could run a chimpanzee, bvar22 Apr 2016 #40
Yeah, well, everybody has opinions . . . brush Apr 2016 #41
Absolutely! The GOP faithful will crawl through fire and across broken glass... Raster Apr 2016 #42
An amazingly good opinion piece zalinda Apr 2016 #9
We are not going to beat Republican by being like them or slightly better. Bernie!!! highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #10
Must read article! Excellent analysis. Anyone who considers themselves a Democrat must read this riderinthestorm Apr 2016 #12
Abramson...the new Goodman. nt. Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #13
How insightful of you Armstead Apr 2016 #15
The piece is not worthy of intellectually rigorous response. nt Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #21
Of course it isn't. It has a lot of those factey things. Armstead Apr 2016 #22
There are no merits to refute them on. Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #23
Your words make you sound smart. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #29
That is EXACTLY what someone posts when they don't have shit... Raster Apr 2016 #44
Projection much? Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #46
The second thing they usually say is: "Projection much?" Raster Apr 2016 #49
Well, you've convinced me Nonhlanhla Apr 2016 #50
kill the messenger.... amborin Apr 2016 #38
Spot on OP jonestonesusa Apr 2016 #14
Pfft: They can streamline that plan greatly NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #16
The only thing missing from that steaming pile is an "HA Goodman" byline. nt CalvinballPro Apr 2016 #17
Great article, thanks for posting it nt Rebkeh Apr 2016 #18
#8: "...Clinton appears to blame everyone but herself..." IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #19
Kick imagine2015 Apr 2016 #20
Good read from the end of the article: KoKo Apr 2016 #24
Because Sanders supporters have never said anything bad about mythology Apr 2016 #25
Objectivity...Hillary has record high negatives... Human101948 Apr 2016 #30
"This article really isn't nearly as good as people are saying. They are viewing it through their... Raster Apr 2016 #55
Many of us saw this coming, and sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #31
K/R grntuscarora Apr 2016 #33
Why is it a flawed assumption to think that Trump will be the nominee? Arkana Apr 2016 #35
Too many "trial balloons" being sent up for Paul Ryan. Miles Archer Apr 2016 #47
Of course they care. Arkana Apr 2016 #58
but if we lose it's YOUR FAULT!!!1111 MisterP Apr 2016 #36
Most here have realized this for many months Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #37
+1000 noiretextatique Apr 2016 #39
I was even wondering what this guy username is. Exactly what we've been saying. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #43
If Clinton gets the nomination, Republicans are going to go apeshit. Miles Archer Apr 2016 #45
She has to earn my vote timmymoff Apr 2016 #48
glad to hear it Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #57
Add to the non-negotiable options: Raster Apr 2016 #51
She's playing to the right, and that's not going to put her in the White House. Miles Archer Apr 2016 #52
You are sooo fucking correct, it hurts. Raster Apr 2016 #54
She also needs to stop attacking young girls in public for asking a question. bvar22 Apr 2016 #56
K&R TheDormouse Apr 2016 #53

Response to amborin (Original post)

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. So are the Republicans.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:16 AM
Apr 2016

I don't think Cruz will be the nominee even though Trump may be falling badly.

Dems would be fine if Hillary would just take the advice to step aside for the good of the Party and country.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
5. I've said for a while
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:20 AM
Apr 2016

that another Clinton in the White House is just fine, as far as the Republican establishment is concerned.

To anyone about to scream, "SCOTUS":

Do you honestly think the Koch Brothers, or Wall Street, really gives a rat's ass about anything they say?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
6. Absolutely freakin' amazing analysis.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:39 AM
Apr 2016

This is something I will send and circulate. All of my Dem family and friends are freakin' terrified that HRC will abscond with the nomination and signal the end of the Democratic Party as we know it.

Hillary Clinton doesn’t share the values or vision for America of the generation that will steer the Democratic Party for the next half-century, and shows no interest in doing so. That spells doom for the Party long-term — possibly even its devolution or dissolution in the next few election cycles, as we’re seeing with the Republican Party now. And it’s entirely avoidable. In fact, Bernie Sanders is not so much what the Clintons see him as — a pest — as the writing on the wall telling the Democratic Leadership Council and its ilk that their days are numbered, and that if they don’t pivot into the America we all live in, rather than merely the America they and their friends inhabit, the Democratic Party will ultimately cease to exist.

In sum, the Democrats are flawlessly executing a complex plan to lose the 2016 presidential election, slowly dismantle their own party apparatus, and become irrelevant in the next ten years.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
7. Insightful article. Insight is what the Democratic Party needs but totally lacks right now.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:39 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary is a voice from the past. Sanders is the future. He just is the future.

Republicans hate Hillary. Whether it is fair or not it is a fact. The DNC ignores that fact to its peril.

I totally agree with this article.

brush

(53,888 posts)
32. Not gonna happen
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

Once the repug party is split at their convention, what in the world makes anyone think that party will win the general election?

Who are they going to run — Cruz whose name is on the DC Madam's client list and is rumored to have had 5 affairs; Kasich, who only won one primary, the one in his home state; Trump with more negatives than anybody? Nah, he'll try to run 3rd party after his supporters make the 1968 Dem convention in Chicago look like a love-in as they run wild at the upcoming repug convention; Ryan, yeah right, the loser who Joe Biden embarrassed in that VP debate in 2012 like he was a junior high school kid.

Maybe they'll bring back Carson or Christie — hah, two more losers.

Rubio you say. Who? Has anyone even thought about him since he lost horribly in his home state?

Which of those clowns with an ineffective, tattered party in disarray behind him, is going to beat Clinton, or Sanders for that matter?

None of them.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
34. It's going to be Paul Ryan.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

Yes I know he said he wasn't interested.

But it's not the first time he said that.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
40. The Republicans could run a chimpanzee,
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:20 PM
Apr 2016

and The Republicans will STILL turn out in swarms to keep Hillary from being president.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
42. Absolutely! The GOP faithful will crawl through fire and across broken glass...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:36 PM
Apr 2016

...to vote against Hillary Clinton.

zalinda

(5,621 posts)
9. An amazingly good opinion piece
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 03:32 AM
Apr 2016

I commend him for writing something that is so simple to understand.

Z

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
12. Must read article! Excellent analysis. Anyone who considers themselves a Democrat must read this
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 07:37 AM
Apr 2016

Bookmarking



 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
22. Of course it isn't. It has a lot of those factey things.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

Hey, if you disagree with the analysis and conclusions fine. Refute them on the merits.



Raster

(20,998 posts)
44. That is EXACTLY what someone posts when they don't have shit...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:43 PM
Apr 2016

...which you don't.

This sad devotion to the Cult of Hillary will be the death knell of the Democratic Party as we know it. And further, the GOP, which should be breathing its last, will find a renewed vigor in their hatred of Hillary. Renewed enough to consolidate their power for the next 20 years. Everything good and progressive which so many of us have worked for, bled for, died for will be marginalized because of the oversized ego of one woman and her gullible gaggle.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
46. Projection much?
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

"Sad devotion to the Cult of Hillary"?

The only cultists I see around here are some Bernie followers who post stuff about how he's like Jesus.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
49. The second thing they usually say is: "Projection much?"
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

And either an "eye-rolly" gif or a "rofl" gif. So. Fucking. Typical.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
50. Well, you've convinced me
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

Now that you've taken my response, claimed it to be the standard response, and called me "FUCKING typical," I have been converted to Bernieism. Your "argument" is just too strong.

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
14. Spot on OP
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:06 AM
Apr 2016

There are larger unintended consequences when the national party puts all its eggs in the Clinton basket and leaves its other priorities aside, such as appealing to young voters, courting independent voters, and modernizing the platform for today's urgent issues. It's clearly time for the DNC and the Clinton campaign to move beyond the damage control mode that seems to be their perpetual MO.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
16. Pfft: They can streamline that plan greatly
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

just by electing Hillary as the Dem. candidate. Instant GE loss...guaranteed.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
19. #8: "...Clinton appears to blame everyone but herself..."
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016
In short, Hillary Clinton appears to blame everyone but herself for the lack of trust the American people have in her.


There is some serious "truth to power" in that sentence!

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. Good read from the end of the article:
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016
And on and on.

The problem is that Clinton had so routinely used favorable media coverage as a crutch that it has weakened — if not stopped in its tracks — her ability to improve as a candidate or raise the profile of the Democratic “brand” more generally. Nor has it prepared her to understand how and why so many Democrats are angry at the media right now, and with a fervor usually reserved for Republican ire about “left-wing bias.”

When the media turns on Clinton in the fall — should she be the nominee — it will be entirely predictable, as the media benefits when a general-election race is as close as possible. And Clinton simply won’t be prepared for it. Nor will the Democrats, who will have done insufficient work setting the terms of the national political discourse for the media, rather than the other way around.

10. Ignore the youth vote.

More Millennials have a favorable opinion of socialism than capitalism, and they’re voting for Sanders over Clinton by approximately a 50-point margin. Clinton’s only response is empty political rhetoric: “You may not be supporting me, but I’m supporting you!” That’s not just empty talk — it’s patronizing. Millennials don’t want someone from their grandparents’ generation saying, “I’m supporting you!”, nor do they even just wanted to be listened to — in fact, they want their values to be reflected, and sincerely so, in the politicians for whom they vote.

Hillary Clinton doesn’t share the values or vision for America of the generation that will steer the Democratic Party for the next half-century, and shows no interest in doing so. That spells doom for the Party long-term — possibly even its devolution or dissolution in the next few election cycles, as we’re seeing with the Republican Party now. And it’s entirely avoidable. In fact, Bernie Sanders is not so much what the Clintons see him as — a pest — as the writing on the wall telling the Democratic Leadership Council and its ilk that their days are numbered, and that if they don’t pivot into the America we all live in, rather than merely the America they and their friends inhabit, the Democratic Party will ultimately cease to exist.
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. Because Sanders supporters have never said anything bad about
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton or her supporters.

It assumes the general election polls during the primaries are predictive. They aren't.

Point 5 confuses favorability with popularity. It's hard to claim that the candidate with the pledged delegates and popular vote is less popular with voters than the person losing to her.

Point 6 is a rehash of 5, but again neglects to mention that if Sanders is popular, then the person ahead of him is more popular. It also invents things like no Sanders allies wouldn't have a place in a theoretical Clinton administration. And claiming that talking about Booker or Castro as VP is a slight to Sanders is silly since they have been talked about in that role for years.

Point 7, Sanders is claiming they weren't competing in Southern states. It's pretty hypocritical for that to be used against Clinton. But let's say it is a good idea. Okay the guy who has pronounced himself a socialist and called the Democratic party ideologically bankrupt isn't likely to turn the tide there. He doesn't gain nearly the same level of support among black and Hispanic voters needed to turn a state like North Carolina. Likewise Clinton lacks the youth vote for that. Neither candidate can stake a good claim to being able to meaningfully expand the map bases on their primary performance.

This article really isn't nearly as good as people are saying. They are viewing it through their own lens on the election rather than looking at it objectively.

 

Human101948

(3,457 posts)
30. Objectivity...Hillary has record high negatives...
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016
whether or not it is from years of rightwing attacks hardly matters. The majority of voters have negative impressions of her.

Poll: Trump, Clinton score historic unfavorable ratings

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton register net negative ratings in double digits, indicating the front-runners for each party's presidential nominations are viewed negatively at historic levels, according to a new CBS/New York Times poll.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/politics/2016-election-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton/

Raster

(20,998 posts)
55. "This article really isn't nearly as good as people are saying. They are viewing it through their...
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

...own lens on the election rather than looking at it objectively."

Which, of course, YOU'RE not doing.

<insert dripping sarcasm here>

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
31. Many of us saw this coming, and
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

-unless I did not catch it in the article - the
independents will stay home as well, if it
becomes a race between Kasich and HRC.

I also stated months ago that the party
establishment does not care about winning
or losing this time as long as the status quo
is maintained.

I still believe that, because all the HRC supporters
claim that the majority of the Dems love her, even
though over 40% of registered voters are indies,
who don't like her.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
35. Why is it a flawed assumption to think that Trump will be the nominee?
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

He's going to go into the convention with a wide delegate lead and his supporters will burn the house down if he's not the guy that's chosen.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
47. Too many "trial balloons" being sent up for Paul Ryan.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

1). 1237 delegates. It's unlikely that he will win Wisconsin, and he'll have the sweep the remaining states to hit that number. A contested convention seems very likely.

2). I agree with you 100% about what will happen if Trump doesn't get the nomination, but I also think that the "republican establishment" doesn't care at all.

So far the "likely suspects" are Ryan, Cruz, and Kasich. Kasich is WAY off on delegates, and the Republicans hate Cruz, and they know we're no fans either, so they're not going to bet the farm on a guy who can't win.

All signs are pointing to Ryan.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
58. Of course they care.
Wed Apr 6, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

They need to maintain their majorities in both houses of Congress--the best way is to let Trump have what he wants and pour all their efforts into minimizing downticket losses.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
36. but if we lose it's YOUR FAULT!!!1111
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 01:20 PM
Apr 2016

we didn't lose 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, and 913 state seats, YOU DID!

we're left with 26% of the electorate? SCREW THOSE PURISTS!

our delegates couldn't even be bothered to show up and now we've lost Nevada? uh, lemme get back to you on that--

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
45. If Clinton gets the nomination, Republicans are going to go apeshit.
Mon Apr 4, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

It won't be pretty.

Every single piece of Clinton dirty laundry will go on public display. It's pretty much out there anyway...it's just a matter of who's paying attention to it.

"Nothing unites Republicans quite like hatred of the Clintons"

Truer words were never spoken.

Much of the hatred of Barack Obama that I've seen over the last 8 years is...in my belief...rooted in racism.

But Hillary?

They hate her because she's a Clinton, and I think it's a much deeper level of hate.

I posted an article earlier today about Charles Koch positioning himself to throw money at Paul Ryan, if he emerges from the contested convention as the nominee.

Sheldon Adelson has some damned deep pockets, too, and between the two of them, expect the unholiest of unholy wars to emerge.

A Clinton victory would hinge on two non-negotiable options:

1). Democrats would have to turn out in record numbers to vote for her, and

2). Every Democrat who's lukewarm to cold on her candidacy right now would have to "rally behind her."


...and I don't see that happening.

Hillary also needs to let go of the George W. Bush level of obstinate behavior, stop snapping at questions and saying things like "I'm not even going to answer that," stop saying things like "I was not aware of that" when discussion something she's keenly aware of, and the list goes on.

...and I don't see that happening either.

It's ugly now.

It's gonna get a lot uglier.

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
48. She has to earn my vote
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:48 AM
Apr 2016

She has to assure me she won't lurch to the far right. If she convinces me to vote for her(providing she beats Bernie) she will then have to do without my money, door knocking, phone banking or any other form of support, she will get a vote and only a vote. She will be damn lucky to have it.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
51. Add to the non-negotiable options:
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016
3) Clinton would have to convince the INDEPENDENT block of voters that she is the best candidate to vote for. In this day and age, no Democrat OR Republican wins the White House without the votes from the massive block of Independent voters, which, she is NOT DOING.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
52. She's playing to the right, and that's not going to put her in the White House.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

I don't think she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting Republican "cross-over" votes...they loathe her, plain and simple.

I read a very interesting article yesterday about how she's freezing out Bernie. She went up against Obama and walked away as Secretary of State. Supposedly...IF she wins...she's considering letting Bernie make a speech at the convention, and that's pretty much it.

So in reality, the "We MUST rally around Hillary crowd" is accomplishing nothing more than inspiring Bernie's supporters to fight harder for him.

The biggest concern I have at this point is the fact that all of the Republican muscle is currently focused on ousting Trump if he doesn't come up with the full 1237 delegates. The confidence and arrogance of Hillary beating Trump's ass in the GE will quickly melt away if it comes down to a Ryan / Clinton battle. He'd have too much money and too many dirty tricksters pulling for him. And if Hillary hasn't "made nice" by then, say hello to President Ryan.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
54. You are sooo fucking correct, it hurts.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

The High Sheriffs of the GOP liked tRump because of the interest he aroused in their dying party and seemed to make the discussion "lively" - in the "crazy old uncle" kind of way. But now that it looks like tRump could be their new commander and chief... well, that changes things. BIG TIME. The High Sheriffs will do ANYTHING to negate tRump. Anything. The First Law of Raygun "thou shall not speak ill of another republican," has been tossed in the can.

Now add to the mix the ABSOLUTE HATRED of all things Clinton that has been fed and nourished by the reich-wing for years... there are republicans that will postpone dying just to VOTE AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON. Her only chance of ever getting one GOP vote was if the GOP crazy uncle topped the GOP ticket, and I believe, that is NOT going to happen.

And if it does come down to a Hillary vs. tRump battle for POTUS, I am not sure who would walk away with the prize. It could truly go either way. And far too many logical, rational thinking persons on our side assume and believe that all the other logical and rational thinking persons of any political persuasion will realize Hillary is the only rational and logical choice...and, I am afraid, that is not how many of the republican-leaning undecided voters will view this. But, like I said, I think the GOP will do anything possible to make sure tRump is NOT THEIR NOMINEE.

No, the savior of the Party of Lincoln will be Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny starver from the state of Wisconsin. Never know, he might even ask ol' Uncle Mitty to be his Vice President. God/Goddess help us all.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
56. She also needs to stop attacking young girls in public for asking a question.
Tue Apr 5, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

That would help a lot.


Greenpeace Activist


Hillary OWES this young lady a public apology for her unprovoked attack, and lying about her being with the Sander's campaign.
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