Jesus Hank Christ. When Bernie and Jane get back to Vermont, they'll go to their

[Luminous Animal]

files, get their returns and release them. When Bernie says Jane did the taxes, he means that an accountant, who would likely have a copy on file, did not. So, they can't DIRECT anyone to release them because no one else has access.

When they are physically occupying the space where the returns reside, they will be released.

Meanwhile, where are Hillary's transcripts?

[geek tragedy]

1. So Sanders had never contemplated releasing his taxes until this weekend?

Was never on the radar?

Never occurred to him to be transparent?

[oldandhappy]

3. only every year

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528

[geek tragedy]

5. those aren't tax returns.

neither is a one page 1040.

He has an unusually high number of deductions on his last tax return, no itemization disclosed.

[TheBlackAdder]

34. Yeah, they didn't file tax returns for 10-years, because they are Sovereign Citizens.

.


He's secretly waiting and hoping for his compound to get raided by the Feds!

CQ... CQ...


.

[beam me up scottie]

53. #knowyourmeme Bernie and Jane are COMMIES, they honeymooned in Russia!

Hillary supporters have speculated that his donations come from foreign nationals from Russia and Cuba among other countries as well as claiming that she has millions stashed in overseas accounts.

[lbp]

66. Agreed - Patience Please

I have no doubt that Bernie will submit his tax returns soon. Considering how he was *supposedly* unable to catch up to Hillary delegate-wise (and be out of the race by now), I see nothing suspicious. Since this talking point is getting so much traction, Bernie must be getting too close for comfort. For the poli-sci historians: is there some traditional date during the primaries when the taxes are expected to be made available by the candidates? I'm unaware of such.

[George II]

43. Not his income tax returns.

[Nanjeanne]

6. Since as a member of Congress he has to file a disclosure form every year

That gives his assets, his liabilities, his investment funds, etc and since that has been on file and searchable by anyone who cares to for his entire career in Congress -- and since, at the request of the Wash Post in 2015 he gave his 2014 returns and since he is only been running for 9 months -- YEAH, it's probably not been on his radar.

He probably didn't think he needed to release his earlier tax forms. All his financials are out. That's transparent. The exact amount he paid in fed and state tax from his not very extravagant income is the only thing missing from his Congressional disclosure form. All the rest is available.

[geek tragedy]

11. Clinton and Obama released full returns going back to 2000, as sitting Senators.

Bernie didn't know that tax returns are expected disclosures of presidential candidates?

He should walk the walk, before talking the talk.

[Nanjeanne]

18. Actually it was in LATE MARCH of 2008 that Sen Obama released 6 years of tax returns.

At that time he challenged Hillary Clinton to do the same. She did on April 4.
&quot CNN) - Hillary Clinton released her tax returns for the years 2000 to 2006 late Friday afternoon, ending weeks of speculation over her delay in making them public.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/25/obama.tax.returns/


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/04/clinton-releases-tax-returns/

[geek tragedy]

23. It was a very publicized story in that campaign. No one in Bernie's campaign

knew that?

Clinton's already disclosed hers in 2016. What's taking Bernie so long?

And why does he think it makes sense to attack Clinton on transparency when he's lagging behind her on that count?

[morningfog]

30. Why are you just now asking?

[geek tragedy]

35. I thought he had fully disclosed, otherwise Clinton would have hit him on it

in response to the speech transcript nonsense.

I was rather surprised to see how little he's disclosed.

And the fact that there's some unusual numbers on his 2014 1040--unusually high number of deductions.

[pangaia]

60. Because he just saw it on the Internets.

[virtualobserver]

67. instructions from the home office?

[George II]

47. Not his income tax returns. All we can see are his "financials", which...

....are merely overviews of his financial situation.

Income in excess of $200,000 is "not very extravagant"?

What couple making several hundred thousand dollars a year has upwards of $50,000 in credit card debt? I never made a fraction of their income in the 40 years I worked, yet I never had more than about $3000 in credit card debt and that was only for the first few years I was out of college.

[Luminous Animal]

7. So Hillary never contemplated EVER releasing her corporate speeches.

Never occurred to her to be transparent?

The difference? Bernie will release his tax returns when he gets back home.

Hillary will never release her transcripts.

[geek tragedy]

9. Taxes are expected disclosures of presidental candidates. Speech transcripts aren't.

He should walk the walk before talking the talk.

[Luminous Animal]

25. Oh lowered. A tempest in a teapot. He's not going to suspend campaigning for

David ("a little bit slutty, a little bit nutty&quot sexist racist Brock's latest idiocy.

[geek tragedy]

27. Hillary Clinton is the more transparent of the two candidates.

This is a simple fact, as she has provided full returns of her own taxes going back 16 years.

He has provided a one page summary of one year's taxes.

Bernie Sanders has provided less disclosure than Marco Rubio did.

So any posturing on his part about speech transcripts is pure hypocrisy and opportunism.

His supporters should realize he's just another politician at the end of the day. Transparency is for other people, not for him.

[Luminous Animal]

39. FLY HOME BERNIE RIGHT NOW!!!!!! SUSPEND CAMPAIGNING AND SATISFY ME ME ME ME ME ME ME!!!!

He's not her dancing puppet. When he gets back to Vermont, he will release his tax returns.

RE: Her transcripts. It has been month's since she said she will look into it.

She is and her campaign are asses. They fly from one manufactured idiocy to another. No direction. Just ineffectually flailing at flaccidness. Over and over again. They've gleefully jumped off every high road into their own disgusting self-created mud pile and claim, when Bernie examines that mud, they try to fling it back at him.

Too fucking bad that the internet OWNS Clinton. Bernie supporters recognize shit and shinola.

[geek tragedy]

41. Sanders supporters have proven they'll make excuses for their candidate

when's he going to Vermont, July?

P.S. They were able to track down the 1040 but not the rest of the return? How does that work?

[Luminous Animal]

45. November 8th just to give ya'll something to be outraged about for the next 7 months.

[beam me up scottie]

50. LMAO!

[geek tragedy]

52. 30 days from now, no one will care about his tax returns nt

[Luminous Animal]

56. So why the hang-ringing if it is the bag? Nothing better to do? Don't have a dog to walk

or an interesting project that you've been meaning to tackle for the past 10 years?

[geek tragedy]

59. you'd think Bernie fans who are hoping for the Indictment Fairy to visit

would understand the need for their candidate to be vetted as if he's a serious candidate

part of the vetting process is tax returns.

[George II]

57. Good point. I'm sure he knows he can't win, and he wants to duck this issue until.....

....it's no longer an issue.

[beam me up scottie]

2. That won't satisfy them, some are claiming Jane has millions stashed overseas.

His full financial disclosures are available but they don't want to look at them for some reason...

[sheshe2]

12. Transparency!

[beam me up scottie]

15. Indeed, where are the transcripts? What did Wall Street pay for?

[sheshe2]

16. Page

[beam me up scottie]

17. That's what I thought. Bernie is one of the poorest senators in Washington.

Let's compare his income to Hillary's and make a big deal out of it! Yeah that's a great idea, who should people trust, a guy who makes thousands working for a living or someone who gives 40 minute speeches for 1/4 mil and made millions taking money from special interests.

[sheshe2]

19. Whoosh~

[beam me up scottie]

21. Oh I get what you were trying for but this what it looked like from here:

Meanwhile:




Keep working on it, I have faith in you.

[Hydra]

31. Ya, 2 swings, 2 misses

I swear, they really are phoning it in today. Official day off they got called in on? Or maybe they are stratergizing the next BLM wedge attempt.

[beam me up scottie]

33. They dialed the poutrage up to 11 though.

Orgasms! Fantasies! Tax returns! ARGLE BARGLE!

I'm afraid they're going to injure themselves.

[George II]

26. I never saw anyone claim that Jane has millions stashed overseas

No, his "financials" are not complete at all, so there's not much to look at. I've looked at what is available though.

It seems odd that someone who has earned almost $5M while in Congress, married to someone who was a college President for a number of years and got a $200,000 cash settlement from her employer, would have a net worth of ony $500K-$850K (that number changes) and more than $30K in credit card debt.

As for those "financials", it also seems odd that a candidate who has been railing against "wall street" and the financial industry has more than half of their net worth invested in mutual funds administrated by "wall street"!

[beam me up scottie]

28. I have. Have you looked through his full financial disclosures yet, George?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/reports.php?year=2013&cid=N00000528

Once you're done let me know what you think he's hiding, and be specific.

[George II]

38. I've looked through them several times, beam, how do you think I learned about...

....all his Wall Street investments and his huge credit card debt?

Again, it seems odd that, with all the income he and his wife have received in their respective careers that their "net worth" is so low.

Remember, he's been living in the same house for ~ 40 years (i.e., no mortgage) and he lives in among the lowest cost of living states in the US.

[beam me up scottie]

46. Really? Several times? That quickly? I am impressed.

his huge credit card debt?

Define huge and why you think that it's extreme for a sitting senator who has to travel back and forth to Washington, how does it compare to other senators or Hillary's for instance.

Again, it seems odd that, with all the income he and his wife have received in their respective careers that their "net worth" is so low.

Explain why you think it's odd and why the tax returns would shed light on that compared to his financial disclosures.

Remember, he's been living in the same house for ~ 40 years (i.e., no mortgage) and he lives in among the lowest cost of living states in the US.

Do tell:

Burlington Cost Of Living Is Above National Average -
Burlington, Vermont - July 6, 2006

According to data released by the Lake Champlain Regional Chamber of Commerce, the Burlington area ranks above national averages for every cost of living index that they track. In particular, housing prices are the main culprit driving up the cost of living.

Overall, the Burlington area was about twenty percent more expensive to live in than the rest of the country.

Those numbers come from a national community and economic development research association who tracks cost of living prices quarterly in around the country.

"It's part of a national cost of living study. We do it on a quarterly basis. There are about three hundred other cities that participate, and in Vermont, the Burlington area is really the only place that participates in the cost of living data collection," said Mary Sprayregan, the Director of Government Affairs at the Lake Champlain Chamber of Commerce.

The results of the study show that Utilities were 5.9 percent higher than the national average,

Transportation was 6.6 percent higher,

Grocery Items were 8.1 percent higher,

Health Care was 8.4 percent higher,

Miscellaneous goods and services were 13.2 percent higher.

Housing costs were 44.4 percent higher.

http://www.wcax.com/story/5121512/burlington-cost-of-living-is-above-national-average

Facts are such pesky little things.

[George II]

48. Yes, several times. They've been posted on DU at least three or four times, and when this first....

....came up I downloaded them myself.

As for the cost of living, what YOU posted says "In particular, housing prices are the main culprit driving up the cost of living." Sanders bought his house/"farm" back in the 1970s, so housing prices to this discussion are moot.

[beam me up scottie]

49. Not good enough, George. Please answer the questions.

[George II]

51. Why?

[beam me up scottie]

54. LOL! Never mind, you just did.

[metroins]

4. They don't efile?

If you don't have an accountant, you better be e-filing.

I don't do my own taxes any more since my last 140k tax lien.

I do however do my parents and sisters taxes.

[bigtree]

8. they've been asked for months

...only now we have this lame, evasive 'dog ate my homework' answer.

No one really cares about a Hillary speech, but tax returns have been a standard expectation for decades in elections, especially from Democrats expectations of their republican rivals. Bernie can't very well demand Trump's or Cruz's without releasing his own.

[Jackilope]

13. "No one really cares about a Hillary speech"? Um, yes!

Giving 6 figure speeches to Goldman Sachs, yes, I want to know what was said. More so than Bernie's income tax files.

[geek tragedy]

14. You don't see a whiff of hypocrisy in Sanders falling well short of Clinton's level of transparency

in terms of personal financial disclosures but acting like he's the king of transparency and attacking her for not releasing those transcripts?

[Jackilope]

22. He's going to provide his tax documents. HRC has no intent of providing us with transcripts.

"I will look into it" and "I will release when everyone else does" is the coy little way of avoiding.

As links provided here on DU, you can go back and check out his net worth. Do you think he has something to hide? You'll eventually get to inspect his tax filing and he has said you will. HRC, meanwhile, give us reason to believe she does have something to hide by releasing transcripts.

[geek tragedy]

24. So you're giving him credit for a disclosure he hasn't made?

You don't see hypocrisy in him attacking her when his level of disclosure is inferior?

[bigtree]

20. I remember countless campaigns where tax returns were an issue

...a speech, not so much.

[George II]

40. The only people concerned about those speeches are Sanders, Devine, Weaver, and his followers.

[R B Garr]

10. Tax releases are standard issue. Basic stuff for any

serious candidate.

The "transcripts" are just a one -note angle that Bernie thinks makes him look clever. His performance art to slime people is just a gimmick. Comparing the two, taxes vs. transcripts is dishonest.

[snowy owl]

29. I'm a Bernie fan but I also know we all take every tax break!

I hope there's nothing embarrassing. I have an accountant do mine because I have a rental - mother in law really. And I claim expenses to do with my job. Too bad when a relatively average guy has to put the tax returns on the table. I take everything remotely possible! And most of us do. It is the American way. If it passes my accountant, it works for me. I think Bernie would have done better to have an accountant do his. But that would have been planning ahead and I doubt he ever expected to run for President.

[dana_b]

32. nothing is more embarrassing than $225K per speech for WS

She made more for a 30 minute speech than he did in a year in the Senate.

btw... speaking of... where are those transcripts?

[George II]

42. Deflection.

[840high]

65. .+1

[jillan]

37. What fraud?

[Avalon Sparks]

44. Dang, wrong thread sorry, it was for the Clinton is fake thread

Oops

[passiveporcupine]

55. Very clear and focused...only one thing I'd suggest you might have overlooked

You are dealing with adults who are acting like children and they should be treated like children if they keep up this foolish game. Trying to talk to them like adults has gotten nowhere, and they are playing us, just like Hillary is playing them...you see this new game came from her and/or Brock. It's a chase the red laser dot game and they are all going nuts with it. You cannot "reach" them as long as that damn red dot is skipping around. And they are probably going to keep going with this until the tax files are posted, so we should respectfully close the door and let them chase the dot.

We have better things to do.

[Smarmie Doofus]

58. On Tillary Street. ( Brooklyn)

About two blocks from her NYS HQ on Clinton Street.

About 4 miles from the intersection of Bush ( as in IWR Bush) and Clinton.

NO. I'm not making anything up.

[felix_numinous]

61. Clinton's record is causing public trust issues

she cannot run on her own merit but has to drag someone else down and swiftboat them from a low position. We are expected to fall for this.

[redstateblues]

62. Bernie has been making six figures from the government for a quarter century

What has he done with all that money? Just curious. He's either got it stashed or he's a poor money manager.

[Lucinda]

63. So it would seem.

[mythology]

64. That is so not true, they are going to go back to Vermont and swim around

in a giant pile of money Scrooge McDuck style.