Bill Clinton's rape and sexual assault allegations, and sex with young interns, are GOP fodder

[Cheese Sandwich]

Right now the Republicans are losing the women vote...by huge margins. If God forbid, Hillary wins the Dem nomination and finally all this nightmare will be back in public eye, the allegations will come back and hurt the women vote, the credibility of all Dems, and damage the platform that Dems have been building for ever that it's the Republicans that wage a war on women.

Some of Bill Clinton's accusers have already signed up to campaign with the Republicans.

Americans don't want sexual escapades in the White House and we don't want to go back to the 1990s when a president could get away with getting oral sex from interns and the Democratic Party defended it as a personal problem.

The Republicans will certainly exploit this weakness so it is a huge weakness.

[Politicalboi]

1. Drip, Drip, Drip

And those plane rides with Jeffery Epstein is another big mess.

http://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

[Scurrilous]

14. There was no good reason for Bill Clinton to be on that plane.

None. Especially with his past. I praying this doesn't bite Hillary in the @#$.

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. We haven't heard the last of that for sure. Especially with Trump as the nominee

That's probably all he'll talk about.

[Cheese Sandwich]

19. Lolita Express? Thanks I forgot to mention that in the OP. Definitely relevant here.

[Sunlei]

75. Cruz Hooker did say, Cruz liked her Catholic schoolgirl dress and The Judge costume (ewwww)

[BernieforPres2016]

44. The associations with the likes of Ron Burkle, Steve Bing and Frank Giustra

are also potential problems. There seems to be no end to the shady associations.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/07/clinton200807?currentPage=all&printable=true

<Also in attendance was Ron Burkle, the California supermarket billionaire and investor who is Clinton’s bachelor buddy, fund-raiser, and business partner. Burkle had come with an attractive blonde, described by a fellow guest as “not much older than 19, if she was that.”

Burkle’s usual means of transport is the custom-converted Boeing 757 that Clinton calls “Ron Air” and that Burkle’s own circle of young aides privately refer to as “Air Fuck One.” Clinton himself had arrived on the private plane of another California friend, the real-estate heir, Democratic donor, liberal activist, and sometime movie and music producer Steve Bing, whose colorful private life includes fathering a child out of wedlock with the actress Elizabeth Hurley and suing the billionaire investor Kirk Kerkorian for invasion of privacy, alleging that private investigators for Kerkorian swiped Bing’s dental floss out of his trash in a successful effort to prove that Bing’s DNA matched that of a child delivered by Kerkorian’s ex-wife, the former tennis pro Lisa Bonder. (The suit was later settled out of court.)

In fairness, it should be said that Clinton’s entourage that weekend also included his daughter, Chelsea, and her boyfriend, Marc Mezvinsky, and no one who was there has adduced the slightest evidence that Clinton’s behavior was anything other than proper. Nor, indeed, is there any proof of post-presidential sexual indiscretions on Clinton’s part, despite a steady stream of tabloid speculation and Internet intimations that the Big Dog might be up to his old tricks. On any given visit to London, for example, Clinton is as apt to dine with Tony Blair or Kevin Spacey as with anyone who might raise an eyebrow.>

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-07/the-billionaire-whose-clinton-foundation-ties-could-be-trouble-for-hillary-clinton

<Although few people outside the mining industry had heard of Giustra until recently, he's emblematic of the class of plutocrats with whom Clinton has surrounded himself since leaving office. He also represents a new kind of political problem sure to dog Hillary Clinton's presidential bid. As the author Peter Schweizer documents in his book Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich, Giustra's globe-trotting adventures with Bill Clinton have coincided with lucrative business deals.

In Colombia, where his investments include oil, timber, and coal mines, Giustra dined one evening in 2010 with Bill and Hillary Clinton, who both met with Colombia's president the next day. Soon after, one company in which Giustra holds a stake "acquired the right to cut timber in a biologically diverse forest on the pristine Colombian shoreline," Schweizer writes, and another was granted valuable oil drilling rights.>

[desmiller]

59. Here's the Thom and Pap interview on that same topic. Old, but still relevant:

#ToneDownForWhat

[John Poet]

110. I've been wondering when anyone would bring this up here.

That's GOT to be one of the most potentially damaging Bill Clinton "things" out there... and a super-pac doesn't even have to prove anything to write the ads about it-- just the fact that Bill is listed as a passenger 12 times in the flight logs of the Epstein "Lolita express" plane.... YUCK.

People may say "Hillary isn't to blame for what Bill does". Well, she puts up with it and now wants to make him "first gentleman" !

Remember back in 1992, when Bill offered us Hillary as part of a "two for one deal"?
Well, that was kind of a better deal than Hillary offering us Bill now.

Nobody has to prove anything, to make everyone sick of hearing the allegations,
and thinking about what another four to eight years of this kind of thing will be like...

THIS and all of the REST of the BILL SEX SHIT
is what we are asking to be hammered with,
if Hillary is the party nominee.

LOGIC doesn't even have to play any role in peoples' voting decisions,
when they have visceral reactions to the slime that will be hurled our way.

By 2000, I had heard enough. I don't want to hear it anymore--
not through the general election campaign, let alone another four years.

[FarPoint]

2. I just got to say....

As a Democrat, one who has spent a lifetime with other Democrats....I have never heard a single one speak of Bill Clinton in such a vial tone....and not even raise your pulse rate while doing so....It's just not normal.

[JTFrog]

20. Simply put, most of them aren't Democrats.

They are republicans, greens and independents using this site to trash the party and to depress turnout for Clinton. To be expected after the admin instituted Lord of the Flies rules.

Just sayin...

[Andy823]

35. Yep

Trolls, trouble makers and assholes we have them all right here on DU. Now before someone tries to alert, there are some decent Bernie supporters here on DU that are great people, but there are a whole lot of them that are just faking the whole liberal, democrat or progressive thing. They aren't that hard to spot.

[SidDithers]

53. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[virtualobserver]

82. Imagined it...more like it.

[morningfog]

100. Who is "them." The OP is singular.

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. I used to be like you, a Clinton loyalist who defended Bill Clinton's sex with a young intern

No more though.

[braddy]

27. The worst thing about the intern was that it wasn't an affair, or a sexual relationship,

her role was to service him, she never even saw him naked as far as I know.

[Cheese Sandwich]

37. You're right. It was some kind of power trip or ego trip.

Lots of people on DU defend it though. They actually blame Monica Lewinsky for the whole thing, saying she should have known better, or that she was trying to entrap him, she was a GOP operative, etc. I've seen all those excuses posted around DU.

[bvf]

91. Any way you look at it,

Bill Clinton was an idiot or worse for his participation. He helped put Bush in office with that shit.

[bettyellen]

28. wow, so you changed your position, was it because you are a liar? because I hear that is the same.

[rbrnmw]

42. +a zillion

[Cheese Sandwich]

43. More like I got sick of defending liars and presidents who get oral sex from an intern

[bettyellen]

46. So, it's okay when you or Bernie change your mind about things. And parrot RW bullshit.

Whatever.

[brush]

56. Ahhh . . . Bill Clinton is not running

And both Trump and Cruz have sexual shenanigans of their own on record so it's doubtful that the repugs will got there.

HILLARY CLINTON is running, not Bill.

[FSogol]

48. Cool story, bro

[virtualobserver]

55. It is an appalling yet true story

[FSogol]

57. Ham and Cheese!

My post was in response to comment #23, not the OP. Check the top right corner of any reply and you can see which post a reply is in reference to. HTH

Ham and Cheese!
Ham and Cheese!

[virtualobserver]

61. I could see that.....The ham and cheese however, I do not get.

[msanthrope]

80. We get it. nt

[virtualobserver]

54. I wasted many of the best years of my life defending him - Juanita Broaddrick was the last straw...

It felt like the Anita Hill situation to me, only much worse.

They were both people dragged unwillingly into the public eye.

[Cheese Sandwich]

68. chilling...

Broaddrick shared the hotel room with her friend and employee Norma Rodgers. Rodgers attended a conference seminar that morning, and says she returned to their room to find Broaddrick on the bed “in a state of shock,” her pantyhose torn in the crotch and her lip swollen as though she had been hit.[4] Rogers says Broaddrick told her Clinton had "forced himself on her."[4] Rogers helped Broaddrick ice her lip, and then the women left Little Rock. Rogers said that Broaddrick was very upset on the way home and blamed herself for letting Clinton in the room.[3]

wiki

[virtualobserver]

70. Every time I see his face and hear his voice I get a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach.

The thought of him as "first gentleman" is nauseating, and the title would be truly ironic.

[FarPoint]

77. No....

Your passing gas now....

[EffieBlack]

36. Interesting, isn't it?

[TM99]

3. I find the hypocrisy stunning.

Clinton supporters are worried about a satirical essay promoting feminist liberation around sexuality discussing rape fantasies certain that the GOP will destroy Sanders over it.

And yet, they don't seem to worry about the actual sexual harassment, allegations of rape, and inappropriate sexual behavior of Bill Clinton while in the White House not 20 years ago.

I would much rather have the 'rape fantasies' be fodder than the 'rape allegations' that led to the impeachment of a president.

[Metric System]

6. Hillary is running for President, not Bill. These allegations existed in the 90s and he still won a

second term. Why should Hillary be punished?

[TM99]

11. Oh boy, and there is the 'victim card'.

The Clintons have marketed themselves as a political team since the Arkansas days. Surely you know history, right?

The allegations led to impeachment, fines, and disbarment. Whether he won then is irrelevant now.

[libdem4life]

63. And we certainly don't need them right of out the Hillary Gate. Her

candidacy and should she reach the White House, will be marred by all of these allegations from Day 1. Reason? Bill is back in the White House. Is anyone naive enough to think that the Republicans are going to do what the Democrats are doing...that is give her a Free Pass?

I don't think so. That's just one of the reasons she must not get anywhere near the White House. Bill falls on the long list, but he is near the top. No supervision...not a good thing, as many of us think he is not the sharpest tool in the box anymore.

Thus, unsupervised, less self-control, plus boredom, plus power once again...what could go wrong?

[TM99]

72. Adults on the left see this

whether we are party members or not.

The Clinton supporters prefer to put their fingers in their ears, scream yayayayaya I can't hear you, while pretending WE are the bad guys for bringing up the unpleasant and very real truths.

[brush]

64. This will all be irrelevant in the November general election too because both Trump . . .

and Cruz have huge sex shenanigans in their closets so they're not going to go there.

Get a grip with your imaginings, for God's sake.

Guess you haven't heard that it's just come out that Ted Cruz's name is on the DC Madam's phone list, also we've recently heard about his 5 affairs, when was it, just last week?

And there's a video on YouTube of Trump bragging on the Howard Stern show of his sexcapades back in the day. Plus he was boinking Marla Maples while still married to Ivana.

AND HILLARY IS RUNNING NOT BILL. They won't go there because their candidates are very vulnerable in that area.

They won't risk alienating women any further than Trump already has with trying to smear Hillary with Bill's shenanigans from 25 years ago.

You guys are not thinking straight with that crapola. Stop doing repug dirty tricks to suppress dem votes with these smears/

[TM99]

71. No it will not be.

The Clinton sex scandals have been 'fresh' news for the right for decades now. If you believe it is going away or won't be used in the general, you are truly fooling yourself with 'crapola'.

And for fuck's sake, grow up. Discussing the realities of their scandal ridden past is not about the 'repugs'. It is vetting the left's candidate.

[brush]

81. Yeah, yeah. They've been preaching to the choir with this stuff to repugs for years

You have your opinion but I think smarter repug heads will prevail to not risk alienation half of the voters in the US population — women, who Trump has already angered with his stupid, recent flub of saying women should be punished for abortions, not to mention his "blood coming out of" smears against broadcaster Megyn Kelly.

That anti-Trump ad just writes itself, and believe me, the dems will run it 24/7 if they have to

Some of the dumber repugs will go with the warmed over 25-year-old story of Lewinsky but it'll be a wash not only because of aforementioned anti-women flubs of Trump, but also because of his and Cruz's own sexual dalliances that will be blasted right back at them, and to the public.

I don't think the smart ones will risk it as Clinton has withstood that stuff for 25 years and is still standing after being twice elected to the US Senate, she's been the SOS and is nearing the Dem nomination for president (it hasn't hurt her wouldn't you say?)

[TM99]

83. The delusion is that Clinton is still standing.

There is nothing in her public history that is not tainted with scandals, lies, corruption, etc. either by her own, Bill's, or GOP fantasies.

Perceptions are realities. There is a very good reason why her unfavorables are as they have been. Snapping at a GreenPeace activist does help. Condescendingly telling the youth that they are 'ignorant' doesn't help.

She is her own worse enemy.

[brush]

87. Like I said, you have your own opinion, but she's going to be the nominee.

Sanders did well, he waited much too long to join the Democratic Party though.

[libdem4life]

93. Biggest problem was that he had values and ethics that would be

compromised in an effective Senator's role. He was a uniter and the Independent moniker gave him the ability to do that without censorship or DNC control. Imagine DWS and Senator Sanders as "being under her control". He'd be neutered.

There are so many Independents now...because both parties are doing their best to achieve insignificance...unwittingly, of course.

He can win. Independents and the youth...neither of which are constituencies of the two parties...will put him over the top. That's why Sanders is definitely viable and a likely winner.

[brush]

97. Nah. We all know the "youth" don't turn out to vote like they do for those rallies.

The rallies are "events" to go to but historically, younger voters don't turn out heavily. And many of them are Hillary voters too, somthing always not taken into account when people say the youth are for Bernie.

The independents — some will stay home or vote 3rd party but most will eventually vote blue instead of for repugnant repugs.

[libdem4life]

102. I think if a young person waits in line for a long time to see a candidate

in person, cares enough to plan the trip/event, there is a good likelihood they will take the time to vote. They are breaking heavily for Sanders, if the polls are to be believed. I don't know what HRC has to offer young people...Listening or Lecturing?

Bernie is ahead in Democratic Independents, also. It's not a Walk in the Park, but things are changing every day. So, I'm cautiously optimistic.

[libdem4life]

89. I'm sorry, but she married into the White House and carpetbagged into

New York. Other than that, she's just Bill Clinton's wife. She could have pulled it off, but she's made many, many crucial errors...2008 redux. The Foundation was insanity squared.

ETA: Appointed to SOS by Obama likely to get her off his back.

[brush]

92. She'll still be the nominee though

If Bernie had joined the Democratic Party long ago he probably would have had a higher national profile among black voters and. would have won some of those southern state primaries, and he'd be the leader in delegates now.

Unfortunately, he just waited too long.

[libdem4life]

96. We'll see. There is still a long way to go and every day brings yet another

Clinton faux pas (putting in mildly). Meanwhile, Bernie is gaining in almost every demographic and his speeches and presentations are improving rapidly. Just watched his Wisconsin speech. Very good.

I'm still going to be optimistic, but also pragmatic so I'm not bummed out. The GE will be a Poo Flinging Fest, no matter who is the Republican. They don't have any decent candidates. Cruz? OMG. So perhaps the "gentlemen/woman's agreement about not bringing up mutual crap will hold.

Not too sure America will want such a scandal-riddled First Woman President. I know I don't.

[brush]

104. He's not gaining in delegate count though

Even with the so-called Bernie win in Nevada's county conventions yesterday, Clinton still came out with more delegates.

He should have joined the party long ago and gotten some of those southern states which constitute Hillary's big lead in delegates.

Remember, the dem primaries are not winner-takes-all like with the repugs. Even if Bernie wins a state Hillary gets almost as many delegates as he does. And he's not going to win all of them, so mathematically, there's little chance.

They should not have discounted the black vote in the southern states.

And as far as getting superdelegates to switch, come on. He just joined the party 8 months ago. They're not going to switch from someone who's been in the party for decades.

[libdem4life]

106. I don't disagree with you. Lots of things should have happened.

It certainly doesn't look good. But something tells me that this election is one for the books. How, I don't know. I'm cringing over a potential Lame Duck 4 year Presidency...both as a Democrat and as a woman.

[libdem4life]

85. And unfortunately with The Foundation, the ante is upped geometrically.

There is the past...which many want to dismiss although true...and there is the present...about which many have their head in the sand.

This is not about "dissing" or FFS "hating". This is about facts, truth, deeds, etc. You know...those things that are out there for all to see. And the Republicans are Ready for Hillary, you may be sure.

She will not likely make it, but if she does...lord help the Democrats. We're screwed.

[TM99]

88. Exactly!

Past to present to future, I have seen nothing in my life that rivals the Clinton Machine for scandals, corruption, and rancor with the right.

And for every 'made up' one there are two that are very real. The left is fucked if Clinton is the nominee. Smart people know this.

[libdem4life]

90. Yep. Lights out. n/t

[brush]

94. "She will not likely make it . . ."? Are you kidding? She's way ahead in delegates . . .

and is about to win more. She'll be the nominee.

[libdem4life]

98. I believe there is much more to come out. Remember,

it's not over until it's over. She's melting down and doing really dumb things. We've got The Clinton Scream going viral. What and who does that remind us of? A sure winner who became an instant loser.

[libdem4life]

121. Remember Dewey.

And we know the Republicans are going to just overlook it all. We need someone without a ton of shady baggage...every day brings new info.

It may be too late for the Primary...which may be the plan all along. It's well known Bernie polls higher against Republicans. Now that would be a Rove move.

[brush]

122. Read the Sanders interview with the New York Daily News . . .

and see if you still feel the same about him.

Here's a link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511649233

He won't win New York once New Yorkers read this.

[virtualobserver]

58. The really bad stuff didn't surface until he was into his 2nd term

It isn't about whether she should be punished....it is about what the Republicans will do.

[IdaBriggs]

99. Because she lied about it to the nation and would do it again --

Which makes her subject to blackmail.

She married him, and has chosen to stay married. I am not judging those personal decisions, but knowing she will lie about her spouse's inappropriate behavior, including trashing the reputation of the accusers WHO DID NOT LIE per testimony under oath by Bill, does not make me want the pair of them back in the White House AGAIN.

Fortunately, I expect she will be dropping out soon due to personal reasons which will coincide with the results of an FBI investigation.

Don't even get me started on the fact she has to testify UNDER OATH in two civil lawsuits so far. Any memory of the last time a Clinton told the country not to worry about their legal trouble?

[Dem2]

4. Vile

I feel like I'm watching House of Cards.

[peacebird]

5. Bill Clinton says House of Cards is 99% accurate.

[Dem2]

8. I suppose gullible people believe that

[madville]

32. If I was writing a script for this election

It wouldn't take much thought. I think the earlier calls for Bernie to drop out were because Obama probably knows Hillary is going to have a big FBI/DOJ problem soon, and they wanted Sanders out of the way so they could install Biden at the convention.

[Metric System]

7. DU has become Free Republic. Time to log out.

[FarPoint]

12. I feel it too.

[Beacool]

108. They are actually worse than the Freepers.

At least the Freepers' virulent attacks can be explained because they are conservatives who have no use for any Democrat. What's the excuse to post this garbage on a Democratic site?

[KingFlorez]

9. Such desperation

When you start sounded like a caller on right-wing talk radio, you need help.

[Metric System]

10. Did you see on Twitter about Sanders supporters protesting outside CNN with "Clinton News Network"

signs? They've swallowed right-wing crap and are regurgitating it.

[KingFlorez]

13. I guess they really have lost it

Really pathetic behavior.

[FSogol]

49. If only they spend their time registering people to vote.

[opiate69]

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[mak3cats]

17. I was Juror #1...

...and I really think everyone needs to get a grip.

[opiate69]

18. Agreed. I was not the lone dissenter.

[Cheese Sandwich]

21. Wow somebody alerted on that?

I guess they don't want to hear about the political implications of Bill Clinton's sexual escapades.

[bowens43]

22. that is just the tip of the iceberg......

expect to hear much more about

her criminal negligence in the email debacle
Bengazi
white water
the FBI files
Vince Foster
the looting of the White House
Chinagate
Travelgate
‘missing’ law firm billing records

etc etc etc

makes no difference whether or not the accusations are true...the damage will be done

hill has more baggage than the Titanic.......the republicans have been preparing for her fo decades....if she gets the nomination it will be hillary scandals 24 hours a day on all the networks.....if she somehow manages to get back into the White House impeachment proceedings will begin on day one and unlike her husband she will lose

[Cheese Sandwich]

24. The Clinton Foundation is basically a money laundering operation for foreigner entities to funnel

money to the Clintons in exchange for political protection and favors.

[840high]

51. .+1

[msongs]

25. one can hardly tell the difference between repubs and sanders lovers here sometimes nt

[JoePhilly]

33. + 1

[Trust Buster]

40. Agreed

[PufPuf23]

60. That really is not true and you know this.

You have posted over a decade at DU.

I would wager that there are at least as many DU old timers that support Sanders and not only do not support Hillary Clinton but also have a negative perception of Clinton than there are Hillary Clinton supporters.

The list of Items in Bowen43s' post #22 are from the 1990s. Most criticisms of Hillary Clinton at DU are post 2000. The GOP "scandals" are from the "right" while most criticism of DU is from the "left".

Hillary Clinton is criticized for her votes, video taped statements, money interests, and campaigning method.

Bill (and Hillary) Clinton were enriched post-POTUS by orders of magnitude than any other former POTUS.

The Clinton Foundation is also orders of magnitude larger than any non-profit founded by a former POTUS in endowment and breadth of interests.

There are folks at DU that deny that Hillary Clinton's political philosophy is neo-liberal.

Hillary Clinton campaigns negative. Clinton hired Brock when the Clinton campaign 2016 could have taken the high road regards to negative campaigning. Hillary Clinton should know better because Clinton was also the favorite in campaign 2008 to POTUS and damaged her campaign by negative campaigning.

Personally, I would rather not see sex scandals; sex scandals are serious but in the political world are too often diversions.

Hillary Clinton reminds me more of Richard Nixon than any other politician.

I was there and remember well (and was a registered and voting Democrat),

[Beacool]

109. When it comes to the Clintons, there's little difference between them.

[LostOne4Ever]

26. Look, I am a Bernie supporter but I think that is bull

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]Objective women are not going to blame Hillary for anything Bill did or is accused of doing.

Not only that, but Bill left the white house as one of the most popular presidents in History and is still popular. This is a non-issue.[/font]

[xloadiex]

30. They may not blame Hillary

but I for one don't want to see him or think he deserves to be back in the White House. They are a power hungry team.

[Autumn]

29. That is why they want Hillary. They want to drip this out until the cows come home, by the time

the election rolls around people will be sick to death of the Clinton's and they won't vote for her. I hate to see this happen to a former democratic president.

[oldandhappy]

31. I am afraid this is going to be a filthy GE.

Met may be time for a long road trip to hidden places in the Canadian mountains.

[Trust Buster]

34. And to think that the other day I merely posted

"I can't wait until the Sanders supporters wake up and smell the coffee. This will be fun" earned me a "Hide" from Sanders supporters. DU is not democratic, neither is this joke if a jury system IMO.

[EffieBlack]

38. This place is little more than The Hillary Hate Underground

I used to think it had become the "Bernie Underground" but I doubt that many of the people who claim to be such strong supporters of Bernie Sanders are anything other than right wing trolls trying to smear Hillary Clinton. I don't personally know any Bernie supporters who hate Hillary Clinton so much that they would consistently spew out right wing talking points as confidently and gleefully as the so-called Bernie supporters do on DU.

[Trust Buster]

39. I agree. One poster above even had the audacity to bring up Whitewater and Vince Foster.

A politically activist judge name Ken Starr spent two years and millions of taxpayer dollars trying to find any legal impropriety and had to settle for sex due to lack of evidence. That means nothing to these haters.

[DesertRat]

41. +1

[rbrnmw]

45. I guess this means the indictment fairy isn't coming

[840high]

50. Guessing is fun but

I'll wait and see what FBI decides.

[basselope]

52. None of this really matters...

What does matter is that people want to vote out the establishment.

Hillary is the very embodiment of that establishment.

She will NEVER get the turnout necessary to win.

[Tarc]

62. a) Done to death 18 years ago, b) Bubba ain't running for office

There are precious few straws left in the jar, what with all the grasping Camp Sanders has been doing lately.

[Tarc]

111. Your points are pointless

If the only thing you have left to prop up your candidate is "the other side will hate him less", then you're diving off the deep end, chief.

[imari362]

118. You are very good at....

...reading something in your own mind that I didn't write and great at ignoring what I did.

You made two points of basically fact I countered those two points with the same and added a simple bonus of facts showing that I'm not naive enough to even think that Republicans don't dwell in the sewer with how they will go after any opponents, but Hillary supporters run around shouting "she's been vetted, they've thrown the kitchen sink at her already" missing one very important fact....Hillary has NEVER run in a GE before, totally different ballgame.

Although I do Thank You for answering my post

[SheenaR]

65. Everyone is right

It's not about Bill. He isn't running. On this topic it's about Hillary shaming legitimate accusers so they would never be taken seriously.

Great female role model and potential world leader.

[Cheese Sandwich]

66. OK thanks great point.

Even though Bill Clinton would be a top adviser and team member in a Clinton administration. Even without a formal title, Bill would be one of the most powerful people in the country.

[SheenaR]

67. Full disclosure

I totally agree with you. I just felt it necessary to make my other point also

[Cheese Sandwich]

69. You're right Hillary is responsible for own actions. If she shamed these victims, called them crazy,

or "loonies", or if she helped to cover it up, that's her thing. If Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer or sexual assaulter, that's his thing.

[IdaBriggs]

103. And lying to the country on national television. nt

[Sunlei]

73. Thanks Republicans, for reminding Americans it's time for a Woman in the White House.

[Bonobo]

113. Even a woman that dismisses 3 women who said her husband raped them?

Hillary said that rape victims should be believed unless evidence is put forth that makes them not worthy of being believed.

Such evidence was not put forth.

So that makes Bill a rapist by her definition. I mean, he actually inserted a cigar into the vagina of a woman young enough to be his daughter in the oval office. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

If Bernie's poor excuse for fiction in the 70's is fodder, surely actual things that happened are as well.

Surely Hillary's tacit (and I use the word "tacit" here intentionally, jurors!) defense of rape is also worthy of discussion, no?

[Sunlei]

114. She doesn't have to pay any attention to 'loose woman' who hung around her 'loose man'.

[Bonobo]

115. Did she call one of them a "loose woman"? Wow! nt

[Sunlei]

116. Nope, I call the woman groupies and Bill "Loose"

[giftedgirl77]

74. So this is a quarterly talking point for you?

[reddread]

86. some things never go away

at least its nothing compared to Sanders' rape fantasies.

[Mike Nelson]

76. It will help...

...Hillary, just like always. Republicans should learn their lesson on this one and try something else... hope they're not reading my advice

[Darb]

78. Another new low for the Sanders supporters.

Gross. But keep it up, it'll be interesting how low you can go. You know, like under a snake's ass.

Bernie is so much better than some of you. Sad really. You should be more like him and less like the tea party.

[Jack Rabbit]

79. You know they are and I know theyt are

Nevertheless, I don't care. They'll be talking about Bill's midadventures because they have nothing better to talk about. They milk Benghazi for all it was worth -- ant wasn't worth the money they spent on it -- so, they might have to talk about something in the reality-based community. Unfortunately for them and all of us, because they've bee as much part of the problem as Hillary has bee. Or Bill, but it still doesn't have a damned thing to do with Monica. Maybe they can aregue what a disaster banking regulation has been. I agree that Clinton should not have signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act.

Oh, did I mention that Phil Gramm, Jim Leach and Thomas Bliley were all Republicans?

[bigwillq]

95. Bill is scum.

And Hillary is just awful.
It's quite frightening, the frontrunners on each side.

[SFnomad]

101. Could the Sanders cheerleaders get any more desperate?

The talking points are straight from the RNC and Faux "News".

[HassleCat]

105. Nope.

This is Hillary, the woman who sucked it up, stiffened the upper lip, gritted her teeth, and stood by her man. Her lying, cheating, no good dog of a man. Women admire this. If the Republicans resurrect this stuff, it will work against them as far as women are concerned.

[Beacool]

107. Another classy OP from a Sanders' supporter.

Let me get the smelling salts.

Who is this "we"? Democrats are voting for Hillary in larger numbers than they're voting for Sanders. So this "we" must be Independents and the kids who are new to politics.

[felix_numinous]

112. Americans on all sides have had enough corruption

She won't address important issues or answer questions while campaigning, she doesn't listen to us so why should we listen to her?

[reddread]

120. with all the govt shutdowns and showdowns and impeachment imbroglios

the children behind this nonsense need to be removed.
a lot of reform is called for, and none in the halls of power
will articulate it
the masses must.

[greymattermom]

117. Don't Trump and Cruz have "sex" problems too?

I'm sure Hillary's folks know all about it and won't hesitate to fight back. She can say things about the wives, too. How is what she has done different from Heidi Cruz, after all?

[frustrated_lefty]

119. It amazes me that this is perceived as a "new low for Sanders supporters."

Sanders has shown an all too rare sign of class by not bringing this topic into the limelight.

The thing is, this is obviously something that will come up during the GE with Clinton as the nominee. If the Republicans don't latch on to it, the media will. And it's the kind of slime that will stick, not as some historical anecdote, but with real ramifications in the here and now.

How much did Hillary know about Bill's behavior? Did she condone it? Did she participate in silencing the rape victims? Are they going to have to put chastity belts on all White House interns for the duration of a Clinton presidency? What about those rumors that Bill is already/still "stepping out" and doesn't this mean he has Hillary's de facto permission to do so? Who wants to wager Hillary and Bill made a quid pro quo agreement that she would stand by his side through the Lewinski affair and he, in turn, would later use all of his political clout to help Hillary become the first female president? What kind of family values do those behaviors represent?

My guess is that the republicans are saving this up for the GE, but let's assume the Hillary supporters are right and they won't due to there own failings. Do you REALLY think the media and tabloids will let this opportunity go? Breitbart? Drudge? The freaking National Enquirer?

Saying Trump and Cruz have screwed around as well doesn't provide immunity. Neither did it IN THE WHITE HOUSE and neither was IMPEACHED. Ignoring these facts requires willful ignorance.