2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton - strong leadership on stem cells: Sanders - voted no, no, no, then he flip flopped
From all the ranting I have seen here about a politician changing his/her mind, I thought it was illegal or at least highly shameful. How do you Sanders supporters live with yourselves??? Or is it okay if Bernie does it?
"While serving in the House, Sanders voted to ban therapeutic cloning in 2001, 2003 and 2005 as Congress grappled with the ethics of biotechnology and scientific advances. Patient advocacy groups note that Sanders co-sponsored bans in 2003 and 2005 that included criminal penalties for conducting the research and opposed alternatives that would have allowed the cloning of embryos solely for medical research."
"It's fine to say you're for stem cell research but you vote against it and you vote against all therapeutic application, it doesn't mean anything to say you're for it," Klein said. "Fine, he votes for it years later when it's more popular and the pressure is off. We needed leadership then."
Leadership like ...
"Clinton, meanwhile, co-sponsored legislation in 2001 and 2002 in the Senate that would have expanded stem cell research and co-sponsored a bill in 2005 that would have banned human cloning while protecting the right of scientists to conduct stem cell research."
http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:0ce95fb27fd3457fb282c316a3f9f9ca
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Persondem
(1,936 posts)angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Voted NO: Vote to pass a bill that promotes stem cell research for treatment of diseases, using only naturally dead embryos.
Voted YES: Vote to pass a bill that requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to conduct and support research that utilizes human embryonic stem cells.
Voted NO: Vote to pass a bill amending the Public Health Service Act to develop methods for stem cell production, without the use of human embryos.
Since some are too lazy to click on a link!
jillan
(39,451 posts)But voted for embryonic stem cell research 4 times!!!
How am I ever going to vote for him now?
Persondem
(1,936 posts)And dead embryos are a good source for stem cells .. the most useful stem cells. Get a clue and lose the blinders
Nanjeanne
(5,002 posts)Sanders voted yea on Stem Cell bill of 2095 and 2097. The No on the one amendment bill S30.
You know who else voted No? Hillary Clinton.
Jeez.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)Who was an obstacle and who promoted stem cell research? Who voted with the GOP to oppose stem cell research? It's quite obvious to those without blinders on.
"Sanders co-sponsored bans in 2003 and 2005 that included criminal penalties for conducting the research and opposed alternatives that would have allowed the cloning of embryos solely for medical research."
"OMG. Read The link for heavens sake."
You should take your own advice. The whole point was that his position changed to align with Clinton around 2007. It's his previous votes that caused concern for pro-stem cell advocates.
Nanjeanne
(5,002 posts)Dennis Kucinich
In 1996 he voted FOR
H Amdt 1276 - Human Embryo Research Amendment
Vote to adopt an amendment that removes provisions of a bill that bans Federal funding of human embryo research.
The nay vote you are referring to is 2001 and he was not a cosponsor. Perhaps you are confusing him with someone else. It was the Human Cloning Act and was a Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit all forms of human cloning regardless of purpose and establish criminal and civil penalties for involvement in effort.
His statements in 2001 seem very well thought out. I personally may not have voted his way on that particular bill but I completely understand his concern which was more about private industry misuse.
That makes sense given in 1996 he voted FOR REMOVING THE BAN AGAINST USING FEDERAL DOLLARS. it was not science he was against. It was for-profit misuse he was against.
There was no bill in 2003. In 2005 he voted FOR a bill that allows the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct and support research that uses human embryonic stem cells.
No idea what makes you think he aligned with Clinton. Read the link. Read the actual bills. Read statements made at the time. Don't just regurgitate something in an article.