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Persondem

(1,936 posts)
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 06:31 PM Apr 2016

Clinton - strong leadership on stem cells: Sanders - voted no, no, no, then he flip flopped

From all the ranting I have seen here about a politician changing his/her mind, I thought it was illegal or at least highly shameful. How do you Sanders supporters live with yourselves??? Or is it okay if Bernie does it?

"While serving in the House, Sanders voted to ban therapeutic cloning in 2001, 2003 and 2005 as Congress grappled with the ethics of biotechnology and scientific advances. Patient advocacy groups note that Sanders co-sponsored bans in 2003 and 2005 that included criminal penalties for conducting the research and opposed alternatives that would have allowed the cloning of embryos solely for medical research."

"It's fine to say you're for stem cell research but you vote against it and you vote against all therapeutic application, it doesn't mean anything to say you're for it," Klein said. "Fine, he votes for it years later when it's more popular and the pressure is off. We needed leadership then."

Leadership like ...

"Clinton, meanwhile, co-sponsored legislation in 2001 and 2002 in the Senate that would have expanded stem cell research and co-sponsored a bill in 2005 that would have banned human cloning while protecting the right of scientists to conduct stem cell research."

http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:0ce95fb27fd3457fb282c316a3f9f9ca

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Clinton - strong leadership on stem cells: Sanders - voted no, no, no, then he flip flopped (Original Post) Persondem Apr 2016 OP
Thank goodness for the internets! angstlessk Apr 2016 #1
Thank you for the back up. nt Persondem Apr 2016 #2
Okay I understand I have to actually post what is there for disengenious posts angstlessk Apr 2016 #3
I am sitting here laughing at this. Bernie voted against using dead embryos! Against human cloning! jillan Apr 2016 #5
What a superficial reader you are. It's therapeutic cloning he voted against Persondem Apr 2016 #6
OMG. Read The link for heavens sake. Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #4
Bernie "can do no wrong" Sanders can time travel. Wow, neat trick. Persondem Apr 2016 #7
no he didn't cosponsor. You must be confusing him with other Dems like Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #9
KNR Thank you! Lucinda Apr 2016 #8

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
3. Okay I understand I have to actually post what is there for disengenious posts
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

Voted NO: Vote to pass a bill that promotes stem cell research for treatment of diseases, using only naturally dead embryos.

Voted YES: Vote to pass a bill that requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to conduct and support research that utilizes human embryonic stem cells.

Voted NO: Vote to pass a bill amending the Public Health Service Act to develop methods for stem cell production, without the use of human embryos.

Since some are too lazy to click on a link!

jillan

(39,451 posts)
5. I am sitting here laughing at this. Bernie voted against using dead embryos! Against human cloning!
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:44 PM
Apr 2016

But voted for embryonic stem cell research 4 times!!!

How am I ever going to vote for him now?

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
6. What a superficial reader you are. It's therapeutic cloning he voted against
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:23 PM
Apr 2016

And dead embryos are a good source for stem cells .. the most useful stem cells. Get a clue and lose the blinders

Nanjeanne

(5,002 posts)
4. OMG. Read The link for heavens sake.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 07:36 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders voted yea on Stem Cell bill of 2095 and 2097. The No on the one amendment bill S30.

You know who else voted No? Hillary Clinton.

Jeez.

Persondem

(1,936 posts)
7. Bernie "can do no wrong" Sanders can time travel. Wow, neat trick.
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 10:32 PM
Apr 2016

Who was an obstacle and who promoted stem cell research? Who voted with the GOP to oppose stem cell research? It's quite obvious to those without blinders on.

"Sanders co-sponsored bans in 2003 and 2005 that included criminal penalties for conducting the research and opposed alternatives that would have allowed the cloning of embryos solely for medical research."


"OMG. Read The link for heavens sake."

You should take your own advice. The whole point was that his position changed to align with Clinton around 2007. It's his previous votes that caused concern for pro-stem cell advocates.

Nanjeanne

(5,002 posts)
9. no he didn't cosponsor. You must be confusing him with other Dems like
Sun Apr 3, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

Dennis Kucinich

In 1996 he voted FOR
H Amdt 1276 - Human Embryo Research Amendment
Vote to adopt an amendment that removes provisions of a bill that bans Federal funding of human embryo research.

The nay vote you are referring to is 2001 and he was not a cosponsor. Perhaps you are confusing him with someone else. It was the Human Cloning Act and was a Vote to pass a bill that would prohibit all forms of human cloning regardless of purpose and establish criminal and civil penalties for involvement in effort.

His statements in 2001 seem very well thought out. I personally may not have voted his way on that particular bill but I completely understand his concern which was more about private industry misuse.

Sanders said following a vote in 2001 that he had "very serious concerns about the long-term goals of an increasingly powerful and profit-motivated biotechnology industry." In a later vote, he warned of the dangers of "owners of technology" who are "primarily interested in how much money they can make rather than the betterment of society."


That makes sense given in 1996 he voted FOR REMOVING THE BAN AGAINST USING FEDERAL DOLLARS. it was not science he was against. It was for-profit misuse he was against.

There was no bill in 2003. In 2005 he voted FOR a bill that allows the Department of Health and Human Services to conduct and support research that uses human embryonic stem cells.

No idea what makes you think he aligned with Clinton. Read the link. Read the actual bills. Read statements made at the time. Don't just regurgitate something in an article.
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